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1Password Developers Tease Support for iOS 12 Password Manager API
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I'm only interested if it works with the non-subscription version. I've bought 3 licenses already (iOS, Mac, and Android). I refuse to pay a subscription fee.
I have 400 logins in 1Password. For each account I also tag it with the recovery email and if applicable recovery phone so that I can easily know where I might expect to get account recovery information should that become necessary.
I also use it to store random strings for account security challenge questions. Doing so helps to immunize you from social engineering attacks. When available, I use 1p to manage 2FA, too, as well as find sites that offer 2FA but where I have not yet enabled it.
On top of that, I have my passport information, trusted traveler identifications, padlock combinations, and a whole slew of other information.
I’m on the family plan and I have a shared vault with my elderly parents. With that I can easily store passwords for them. They’ve started using it and love not having to remember or write down passwords. As a bonus, we can securely share passwords so I can help out with different accounts as necessary. I sleep better at night knowing they have secure passwords and are less vulnerable to people that prey on the elderly.
I don’t shill often, but 1Password is well worth it for the nominal yearly subscription fee.
I also use it to store random strings for account security challenge questions. Doing so helps to immunize you from social engineering attacks. When available, I use 1p to manage 2FA, too, as well as find sites that offer 2FA but where I have not yet enabled it.
On top of that, I have my passport information, trusted traveler identifications, padlock combinations, and a whole slew of other information.
I’m on the family plan and I have a shared vault with my elderly parents. With that I can easily store passwords for them. They’ve started using it and love not having to remember or write down passwords. As a bonus, we can securely share passwords so I can help out with different accounts as necessary. I sleep better at night knowing they have secure passwords and are less vulnerable to people that prey on the elderly.
I don’t shill often, but 1Password is well worth it for the nominal yearly subscription fee.
That's why I ditched them for Enpass. They got too big for their britches.
I usually buy new versions of a software product maybe every 4 years or so, when I'm interested in a new feature, or when a new version of the operating system isn't compatible with the old version of the app anymore, thus for me, the subscription would come out to be something like a $150 investment, or possible $240 for the family plan. Now, I'm not saying it's not worth it (especially if you use it on multiple machines and operating systems), but it still seems like quite a significant number compared to what we've come to expect as a price for individual licenses. ymmv of course
We're talking about new features on iOS 12 though.
I think his point is - will a sub be required by then (probably) and enforced by them simply not supporting these sorts of niceties unless you are a Sub.
I tend to object to this new trend of subscriptions in general. Devs have figured out how to continually monetize something for which you used to have to pay once. They figured out that they can make more money by forcing users a revolving fee for “full access” than even periodic app upgrade fees. And technically, you’re not even getting an actual subscription (new content monthly, etc.), you’re just being forced to pay for the right to continue to use the app you own to its full extent. On top of that, when AgileBits rolled out the syncing “subscription” (when DropBox, iCloud, and WebDAV syncing were already working perfectly well ... money grab, anyone?) they made it suspiciously difficult for an inexperienced user to realize that you didn’t have to enroll in it when setting up a new installation. Kinda scummy imo.
Hopefully AgileBits team members don't drown out and overwhelm this whole thread "explaining it again", as tends to happen anywhere they are mentioned - anywhere online.
We get it. They have their PR spin well disseminated with their team.
They still offer Dropbox, iCloud, and others to sync. I find the subscription well worth the money and very cheap too for a family. $4.99 a month for a family of 5... $12 a year per user. This is also great for my mom and my father in law who are r tech savvy, and I can help easier especially if they locked themselves out (which my mom has done twice already). Just my wife and I alone, we have 3 Macs, 2 iPhones, 2 iPads, android phone, Linux computer, and 2 windows computers... all with 1Password. This isn’t including the kids stuff either. So adding all those computers now, it’s extremely cheap in my opinion.
i'm not worried. they were fast at adding the safari password extension, when the iOS version with support for it was released. i'm sure they will jump on this one too.
1Password is way way way more powerful than iCloud Keychain. No contest!!
Only for iOS users of 1password 6. For the mac users 1password 7 is either a subscription or a new paid upgrade, regardless of prior ownership of 1password 6.
The subscription is not necessary. You can buy the software outright and still use Dropbox and iCloud to sync (not sure about WebDAV, I have never used it). The subscription is only to allow you another syncing method, web access to your 1Password data, to always have the latest version of the software, and to have a license for all your devices (I've never bought 1Password for Windows, because I used it so rarely, but now that I have a 1Password for Families subscription, my son has 1Password on his gaming PC, and I have it on my PC I use as a toy).
If you don't like the subscription model, don't use it.
The last paid upgrade was 5 years ago for Mac. From 1Password 4 to 1Password 6 were all free upgrades. From 6 to 7 is a paid upgrade.
Yes, not disagreeing with you just clarifying for 6-7 ios is free, mac is another hit.
..for now
See above
Go look at their site and their online dialogue the last 12 months. They want to be subscription usage only as soon as possible. They'd already be on that now if it weren't for the enormous amount of pushback they got (IMO).
Maybe my approach is different here. When I see that an app is offered via subscription, in particular when it previously was offered for standard purchase, I immediately check whether there is also a non-subscription version (that can mean going through their webpage, reading comments on an article on it or simply using Google). I don't take it at face value because I know that there have been several cases where apps switched to subscriptions but still offered a standalone version (sometimes only after a backlash) and I usually want to use that non-subscription offer.
I don't complain first and ask questions later. Before I complain I want to make sure I got my facts straight.
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LOL. No, Keychain is not as powerful. Not even close. For one, its not platform independent.
I don’t know why two responders think I don’t know that. I guess I wasn’t clear. I’ve been using 1P from the beginning and iCloud sync since it was an option. What I said was I’m no fan of “subscriptions” under duress, and AgileBits in particular hasn’t been as transparent as they should about sync options besides their own paid one.
My point is that there were several years between paid upgrades (and several major versions). Meaning, I bought 1Password 4 for iOS as well as Mac five years ago and version 7 on the Mac is the first upgrade I am paying for. I think that is quite reasonable.
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I used to select the least guessable, most ambiguous security questions but then I myself forgot what answers I had put in. Which let me to also switch to random answers and store them in 1Password. However, I select a string of random, real words (generated by 1Password) with separation punctuation such that it could be answered in a reasonable way over the phone.
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No, they cannot. But they can release the new version as a separate app.
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I am using 1Password 7 on iOS without a subscription (having originally bought 1Password 4), but if I buy/download the app today, there are only two in-app purchase options: 1) subscription and 2) pro features. Is the in-app purchase 'Pro features' what de facto buys the standalone version of the iOS app?
1Password also offers granular sharing if you have a family account -- you can create a shared vault and control who has access to that. We use a shared vault for stuff like Hulu, Amazon Prime, household utilities, things like that. It's very very handy. Honestly, just not having to ever ask or answer "what's the password for _______?"
I could see iCloud Keychain being an OK solution if you're only every on an Apple device, use Safari exclusively, and have very basic needs. But I find the subscription for 1Password is quite worth it for what we get.
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As long as you're disciplined about using strong passwords and not reusing them, why not? I don't have that discipline or memory, myself, and back before I used a password manager, I was using (and reusing) pretty crappy passwords quite habitually. I think 1Password and LastPass and the like are for people like me
Likewise. I've been holding onto my 'paid once, keep on keepin' on' version of 1Password 6 but either I'm dumb and can't find it, or they've not given us sane, loyal customers an upgrade path to 7. $60 a year is still too much to continually pay for any software. The subscription model favors developers and nobody else. (and I say that as an independent developer.)