So long as that remains an option I'm with you, but if 1password ever turns into subscription only or even something I have to upgrade yearly just to keep it working on a new version of iOS/OSX I'm gone. I'm already looking into keepass again thanks to this thread, something I decided against years ago when I bought 1password. I believe I've also paid for upgrades on a few occasions.
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So long as that remains an option I'm with you, but if 1password ever turns into subscription only or even something I have to upgrade yearly just to keep it working on a new version of iOS/OSX I'm gone. I'm already looking into keepass again thanks to this thread, something I decided against years ago when I bought 1password. I believe I've also paid for upgrades on a few occasions.
Hang on there, you're comparing something that is a lot of work to...
Wife: Hey, you got the login details for *** anywhere.
Me: Sure, let me just send them to you. /pushes button
Don't get me wrong, I like your software. But once again, the investment simply isn't worth it.
Ultimately the question of "is X worth Y" is a very personal one. I'd say give it a try (since doing so is also free), and then you can decide for yourself whether the convenience and flexibility is worth your hard-earned money. If it turns out you're just as happy using Dropbox (or sneakernet), there's nothing wrong with sticking with what works for you! On the other hand, I'm glad to be able to share vaults now without having to share my Master Password — and to have the option of recovery, among other things.
It isn't difficult, but it can be time consuming and just plain annoying. I can't speak for everyone, but I've certainly made my share of mistakes (ditching a new login in favour of an old one, getting locked out of an account at an inopportune time because I didn't notice my error, etc.)
If you've purchased the 1Password app from AgileBits recently and you find that you'd like to switch to 1Password for Families, sign up, shoot us an email, and we'll take care of you.
You're absolutely right! You've been able to sync and share 1Password data using Dropbox for years, and I use it myself. For some people, that's really all they need, and nothing has changed there. However, using a server model, though an ongoing cost is involved (both for us and for users), enables a lot of benefits that just aren't possible using a standalone app and a separate sync service. Whether or not they happen to appeal to you is another matter entirely, but a lot of folks have asked for this (including our own team and families!) so we're ecstatic to finally be able to offer it.
That's pretty subjective, but I couldn't agree more that a subscription isn't compelling if you don't feel you're getting value from it. The first subscription I ever paid for was for an online game, and I was reluctant to even try it because of the recurring fee. 10 years later, and I only stopped paying because I simply don't have enough time to play anymore. XD
With 1Password for Families, the calculation will be slightly different for each family, since you'll get the most value out of it with a larger family with a lot of devices trying to share data. But as my family's resident nerd, I'm grateful for the quick setup, easy access, management, and cross-platform support that 1Password for Families offers. I wish I'd had this years ago. lol
You can also ~see~ the pricing on our website.
https://families.1password.com
But in all seriousness, we're not going charge something unsustainable, because we don't want to ever have to announce that 1Password is going away forever when so many of us depend on it. This has happened with a number of apps and services I've loved over the years, and having to replace something you've grown to rely on really sucks. So while the standalone apps continue to be sustainable with one time license fees, we're committed to keeping 1Password for Families going so we can use it and make it even better, and that means paying for server infrastructure and continued development. You get what you pay for.
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1Password already has wifi-sync and most family members are usually on the same network, so I'd prefer just to be able share certain data/folders/vaults locally between users and their devices. Don't need another cloud service with online storage. $5 is too much for what it offers. All those subscriptions for online services keep adding up to a substantial amount of money each month.
BTW, I would have been happy to pay for the upgrade to 1password 6. Of course money has to come from somewhere to finance ongoing development of the product.
BTW, I would have been happy to pay for the upgrade to 1password 6. Of course money has to come from somewhere to finance ongoing development of the product.
No worries! Your 1Password license never expires, so you can continue using it for as long as you wish without paying a subscription fee. After all, there are no ongoing costs for us when you sync data yourself. And of course for single folks that only use a Mac (for example), the sharing and access features may not be relevant...yet.
That's a fair point. Building a computer is a lot of work...but also a lot of fun. lol
Obviously it isn't a precise comparison, but your example of quickly sharing a login once in unencrypted form isn't quite the same as using 1Password for Families to share a vault securely on an ongoing basis with someone without giving them your Master Password either. Granted that not everyone has a need to do that, but for those of us who do, it's incredibly satisfying.
If you're a single user, then it probably won't be compelling. It's our job to come up with a solution for individuals too then.
But by comparison, 1Password for Families is secure, easy to use, and gives a great deal of flexibility when it comes to sharing and access control. If your family wants to each have their own Master Passwords and still share securely using any of the 1Password apps or browser, 1Password for Families makes it easy for an affordable price.
We don't store your actual passwords on a server. Ever. Instead, your data is encrypted locally before it ever leaves your device, and your Master Password and Account Key are never transmitted. https://support.1password.com/teams-admin-security/
That's a totally workable option. But AgileBits customers get updates and unlimited support. You could also use the free trial of 1Password, but you get a better experience by purchasing a license. As with many things in life, you get what you pay for. And we're grateful for all of our awesome customers who support us so we can continue making 1Password even better for everyone.
The subscription is what keeps the lights on and the servers up and running. Your data can also be accessed offline (for those times when you're without an internet connection). As you can imagine, we depend heavily on 1Password, so we've been keen from the beginning to make sure it's scalable and reliable (and secure). Otherwise we wouldn't be interested either.
That's fine. We know that the additional features that are possible using a server model (which incurs ongoing costs — hence the subscription) won't appeal to everyone, but people have been asking us for this for years and we're excited to finally offer the awesome sharing, recovery, and security features of 1Password for Teams to all of the folks who've been patient.
Relax, guy! Your license never expires, so you can continue using the standalone 1Password apps and syncing your own data for as long as you wish!
Biometrics are exciting and awesome as a second factor, but I'm not willing to rely on something that can be trivially taken from me (my image, fingerprints, etc.), and we also have no plans to try to use biometrics in lieu of a Master Password — especially since they are not a static value that can be used cryptographically.
We've been blessed to have customers who are willing to support us by paying for our products, so we're doing just fine. We couldn't do what we do without you and the rest of our awesome customers.
And ultimately, while we charge a one time fee for each app since there are costs involved in development and support, there is a more concrete ongoing cost involved in the server infrastructure that 1Password for Families (and Teams) is built on, so it's important that we charge a recurring subscription for that. We've been making 1Password for nearly 10 years, and it's crucial that we charge sustainable prices so we can continue to make 1Password even better for everyone who depends on it.
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Whatever deal you're getting on Office 365, I want it! XD
But in all seriousness, with 1Password for Families, there's no activation, restriction on number of computers, so five family members can use it on as many devices as they want for 5$ a month to store and share data securely. I like Office 365 for what it is, but I find that I depend on 1Password a lot more. Of course, your mileage may vary, especially if you're cranking out a lot of documents for work. I'm definitely not the norm, but my Office subscription only allows enough computers for me. It's a good thing my wife doesn't need it too. lol
First of all, thank you for your support! Personally, I'm always glad for a free upgrade, and as an AgileBits team member, I was excited to be able to tell customers that 1Password 6 is a free upgrade because I know how that feels. But it's because of folks like you who are willing to pay for independent software that we've been able to keep making 1Password better for nearly 10 years. You're awesome!
Now, while 1Password for Families may not appeal to you off the bat, just keep in mind that for a lot of folks (myself included) aren't always in a position to sync via Wi-Fi. But I encourage you to check out 1Password for Families, because it won't cost you anything to do so, and frankly it's pretty liberating to not have to coordinate syncing between devices and go through multiple steps to setup new ones. And if 1Password for Families just isn't a good fit for you now, we'd love to hear your feedback so we can continue to make it (and the standalone apps) even better.
For me personally, there are several huge benefits of 1Password for Families (or Teams) over the standalone apps:
1. Each member can have their own Master Password
2. Recovery if you forget your Master Password (by another member of your Family or Team given access) https://support.1password.com/teams-admin-recovery/
3. Access to all full 1Password apps across all platforms at no additional cost
4. Access to 1Password data through the web interface
5. Sharing data with other members securely without sharing your account information (Master Password, etc.)
6. Easy, one step setup (not having to remember additional passwords to login to sync services to setup a new device)
Now, depending on your needs, some of these may or not matter to you. For example, if you're only going to use 1Password alone on your iPhone, you really probably don't care about #3 and #5 at all. But for those of us trying to manage 1Password setup and data for multiple family members and devices, 1Password for Families saves a lot of time and trouble — and cost, if you've got an average-sized family with a few devices each across different platforms.
In the end, as with anything, we each have to weigh the costs and benefits for ourselves and decide if it's a good value for us. 1Password for Families is affordable and really great, but only if you're in need of a secure place to store and share important data with your family in the first place. It just happens that that's exactly the position many of us are increasingly finding ourselves in. And I'm glad to finally have this for my own family.
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My only real issue with 1Password for Families is that I really enjoy the featureset, but at the same time, my "Family" is myself and my wife. Two people. No children, and no plans for children, no extended family that could make use of the "extra" 3 seats. That makes $5/month a little tougher of a sell.
1password is amazing but I guess they are getting greedy.
This subscription model doesn't work for me and I don't see why I want to share passwords. Maybe they should expand into other products/markets if they want more money not extra milk the cow.
None the less, no one is forced to join this program so I don't mind
This subscription model doesn't work for me and I don't see why I want to share passwords. Maybe they should expand into other products/markets if they want more money not extra milk the cow.
None the less, no one is forced to join this program so I don't mind
Didn't realize that. I bought it before IAP so I'm still unlocked across everything.
I often hear this argument. Companies like Tapbots that make Tweetbot have no problem releasing new, separate apps every couple years that are new versions and have new functionality and UI. They even charge what is considered premium prices on the App Store and they're fine. If you make great software like 1Password, you can easily get away with doing this. And I would pay to upgrade, just as I do with Tweetbot and a handful of other apps. Developers just need to do it but everyone seems so afraid. As long as you space it out every couple years it works. Companies should always avoid appearing greedy. But I think upgrade pricing would be an easier solution because it could provide a path for people who recently purchased your software to get an upgrade for free or cheap (although I think Tapbots often keeps the old version updated for a while—they just don't give it new features). Again, it's all about appearing to be fair and reasonable. And yes, Tapbots does get some blowback from the more entitled customers. But at the end of the day their business is doing well.
Well if there's one thing you can take from the community's reaction, it is that there is an incredible amount of hostility towards the idea of subscription pricing for the 'standard', single-user 1Password app.
So please don't go down that route. I know you've seen the comments, so if you guys go and do it anyway in the future it'll just tell me what you think of customer feedback.
Subscription revenue is easier for businesses - it means you don't necessarily have to deliver a compelling product/update every time, and you still have cash to keep operating. That is actually a massive shift, which removes all incentives to keep producing customer-focussed, high-quality software; once people are in, they're paying just to have stuff keep working, not for the useful new features you're building. Inertia can keep them there for a long time.
So please don't go down that route. I know you've seen the comments, so if you guys go and do it anyway in the future it'll just tell me what you think of customer feedback.
Subscription revenue is easier for businesses - it means you don't necessarily have to deliver a compelling product/update every time, and you still have cash to keep operating. That is actually a massive shift, which removes all incentives to keep producing customer-focussed, high-quality software; once people are in, they're paying just to have stuff keep working, not for the useful new features you're building. Inertia can keep them there for a long time.
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Software devs are in a tough spot. On the one hand they have a bloc of users that are vehemently opposed to any sort of subscription model. It's an understandable thing to oppose....I'm not a huge fan of it either even though I have a few things that I do have a subscription to (Adobe CC, Office 365). But software companies are also facing an increasingly large swath of users that don't want to pony up $$ for quality software and bitch and moan every time there is any sort of paid upgrade. A large number of users seemingly want to simultaneously get use of great software and pay next to nothing for it.
It's a hard road to hoe for them and not a position I envy. Either way they go there is no way they are going to be able to make everyone happy. So they have to take the path that they feel to be most sustainable. Personally I don't mind paying premium prices for premium software, so I'll be using 1Password regardless of which way they go in the long run. But I realize I seem to be in the minority.
If they go subscription model, after many many years with them... I'm out.
5/5, forget it, we all own it as family members anyway.
5/5, forget it, we all own it as family members anyway.
Same general opinion here. I liked that 1Password is a paid app without recurring cost. I don't mind them giving subscriptions a try if it doesn't affect my usage (in other words, they're not moving features from the existing app to the subscription app), but I really hope they don't abandon the standalone version entirely. If I wanted a cloud service, there are already competitors with options for that.
Additionally, managing a a series of family vaults with Dropbox is easy. Everyone can have their own personal vault, and then also a shared vault where common stuff is stored.
I wish 1Password well, but I hope this doesn't signal a departure from my current use case, which I've grown quite fond of.
I'm happy with the current model - 1Password is actually one of the best software purchases I've ever made. I've been recommending it to my friends and family, and I'd even gift it to some of them if the Mac AppStore had a way to do that.
I'd even pay for 1Password again if it had some compelling new features. One feature I'd really like is a way to automatically change passwords - unfortunately there's no standard API that web-services can comply to in order to achieve that. That's one thing AgileBits could maybe try to change; use the clout they've built up with 1P to publish and push a standard API for changing account passwords.
It's a common-sense thing: the big guys like Apple, Google, Facebook and co. all use passwords for authentication, they all recommend we change them regularly, they all recommend we use complex passwords, and they all have a big interest in keeping your accounts secure. Surely it can't be that hard to get them to agree to create an API endpoint which does what their 'change password' HTML pages do?
I'd publish a specification myself tomorrow, but I don't have the clout to get it adopted. AgileBits, as a well-known developer (there are probably hundreds/thousands of devs at each of those companies who themselves use 1P), could get it done.
1Password for Families really needs to be a subscription, because there are ongoing costs involved in running the servers. If we used the same license model, it wouldn't be sustainable. And it's certainly not easier to manage billing than one time charges -- both from the payment and customer service perspective.
At the same time as there's been some hostility, the reaction has been overwhelmingly positive...which makes sense, because people have been asking us for these features. And ultimately either you're interested or you're not. And if 1Password for Families doesn't appeal to you, nothing has changed; you can keep using the standalone apps with a more traditional license forever.
Finally, for anyone who uses 1Password for Families for a long time and then decides they want to change, or simply tries it and finds that it isn't a good fit for them, we don't lock anyone out of their data. You can continue to access it and export it if you decide to go another route -- 1Password or otherwise. It's our job to make 1Password for Families compelling, and our customers are great at letting us know what they want. That's why we have conversations like this.
I can see that dollar for dollar you might not feel that you're getting the same value out of 1Password for Families that someone with a full compliment of 5 might. But I'm actually in the same boat myself. For me, the features are what make it compelling, rather than the cost. It isn't bad at all, when you compare it to purchasing a full license -- the difference being it's a recurring cost. And certainly it will be most appealing to you and I if we'd otherwise be purchasing the app on multiple platforms separately, which is included with 1Password for Families in perpetuity.
For me, it's worth it to have access in the browser if I need to grab something on a different computer, and the sharing and recovery features. And before you say "Wait a minute, you work for AgileBits", I didn't always, and I've paid for all of my licenses. I'm here because I love 1Password, and I'm excited to have this for my own family finally.
Indeed! We understand that it isn't going to appeal to everyone, and it's great that there are other options. But we're happy to focus on doing what we do best: making software to help people keep their important information secure -- and share it with those closest to them. It's something our customers have asked us for, but it's also something we really wanted for ourselves, so that motivates us even more.
Indeed, while the "freemium" route we've gone with 1Password for iOS since version 5 has been a great success (being able to try before you buy is really important I think, and many folks are even happy using it without the Pro features), but it's certainly a double-edged sword. Hopefully Apple makes it possible to do something like a trial (or share in-app purchases) in the future, as that would make a lot of people happy. The latter was suggested a few years ago, but it didn't work out that way in the end.
We're really grateful that our awesome customers are willing to pay for our software. Not everyone is. But it's always exciting when we can sustainably offer a free upgrade, as we've got families and finite finances too.
Just like there are folks who are opposed to paying for "apps", some people just don't want to pay a subscription, regardless of the value they get out of it. I think there's a resistance in both cases because some people just aren't used to paying for essentially intangible things, regardless of how useful they are. And of course we all have to prioritize how we spend our hard-earned money, especially if we're responsible for a family...which is why we wanted to offer something in this range. It's a great value and incredibly useful for a lot of people, and I think it's cool that the folks who get the most value from it will be those who have more family members to support.
Well, you can't please all of the people all of the time, so we're focused on making the best products we can for not only the folks who see a value in them and are willing to support us, but also ourselves since we want software that's great to use and an indispensable tool.
I'm not sure why you'd want to stop using 1Password if you're happy with it and it's already paid for, just because we're offering something new as well. 1Password for Families may not appeal to you, but please don't begrudge those of us who've wanted something like this for a long time our elation. For me and my family, it's a very welcome addition! XD
It's an interesting idea, but we're not for sale. We're really proud to be an independent Canadian software company, as that gives us the freedom to do new and exciting things like 1Password for Families. And I suspect that Apple might think that buying a password manager when they already have their own option that they seem happy with wouldn't be of much interest to them: "That's a great idea...for me to poop on!" >
3Thank you for bringing that up! To be completely clear, 1Password for Families is being built into the same 1Password apps you're used to. You can use local vaults, Families vaults, or some combination of the two depending on your needs. Some folks choose to go all-in with one or the other, but any software improvements will benefit license holders and subscribers -- the only difference being that features dependent on the server will be Families-only (such as recovery and access control).
Not at all! If your setup works well for you and you don't find yourself longing for the features we're able to offer with 1Password for Families, there's no reason to make any change. If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it. But while I've used a similar setup with Dropbox for years (and continue to do so for some things), I'm glad for the additional flexibility and ease of management that Families offers, for me and my family.
Thank you thank you thank you! I literally wouldn't be here writing these words without the support of you and the rest of our awesome customers. And AgileBits wouldn't be able to continue to exist nearly 10 years later. We're grateful to be able to make a living doing what we love. ^_^
You hit the nail on the head. While it's pretty infeasible to do something like that, we can dream! Perhaps someday that (or something else even better) may become possible.
Perhaps you haven't been following the Apple-Google relationship very closely in the past few years. XD
But in all seriousness, while 1Password does have a lot of respect and adoption in some pretty cool places, AgileBits is still a small team, and it's no secret that Apple and Google absolutely do what they think is best for themselves without regard for our needs (of course Facebook too, but I can't think of an example off the top of my head where we've been bitten by them). And that's fine.
It may be that someday we're in a better position to do something big like that, but for now we've got our hands pretty full with the "small" task of making great software that normal people can use to stay secure in the digital age. We're really proud of 1Password, but we still see plenty of room for improvement. Making it easier for families to manage and share important data securely is something that's close to our hearts, so we're going to continue to focus on making 1Password for Families and the 1Password apps that we use all the time (with a license OR a subscription) even better. Cheers!
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I am curious, if the subscription concept pays for companies in long term. New companies recognize that the market for people who do not want subscriptions is still huge. Example: I left Adobe because of their model, and just because of that, I found a much better way to work on pro level ("Affinity Photo"). Same with iOut-Bank and much more. I am sure we soon know the 1Password successor.
By the way... I think it's good that Brent Young is involved here with his comments!
By the way... I think it's good that Brent Young is involved here with his comments!
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I think you misunderstood.
I am fine with your subscription for families, no issue- I just won't buy it.
What I am concerned about however, is that you may have a pre-conceived notion going forth that your current model in place (the one I own outright) move to subscription based as well.
That is where I will draw the line; respectfully.
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I'm glad that people have the option. However, in my particular use case my wife and I share a handful of passwords and I own my kid's.Indeed, if you'd rather save a little bit of money over time, you can still always to purchase the standalone apps and manage syncing and sharing yourself.
With 1Password for Families, your encrypted data is stored on the server and available on all of your devices automatically, and server infrastructure isn't free. 1Password for Families makes it easier to share information between family members and devices, but if you'd prefer to do it yourself that's still an option. 1Password is great already, but with Families we've been able to make it even better in ways that aren't possible with a standalone app.
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Ultimately it's a matter of personal preference. I used to build all of my computers (and those of friends) too. You can save some money that way, and there's a lot to be said for customization. If you're happy managing sharing, syncing, and setup for each family member's devices, then there's nothing wrong with sticking with that setup. But personally, I find it to be a huge time saver, and a better overall experience to simply login with a 1Password for Families account and be done.
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On second thought if we were using 1Pto generate all our passwords it may be worth it. Although I have a better chance of being my account compromised via hacking into a server than by someone getting my password correct.
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Perhaps you haven't been following the Apple-Google relationship very closely in the past few years. XD
But in all seriousness, while 1Password does have a lot of respect and adoption in some pretty cool places, AgileBits is still a small team, and it's no secret that Apple and Google absolutely do what they think is best for themselves without regard for our needs (of course Facebook too, but I can't think of an example off the top of my head where we've been bitten by them). And that's fine.
It may be that someday we're in a better position to do something big like that, but for now we've got our hands pretty full with the "small" task of making great software that normal people can use to stay secure in the digital age. We're really proud of 1Password, but we still see plenty of room for improvement. Making it easier for families to manage and share important data securely is something that's close to our hearts, so we're going to continue to focus on making 1Password for Families and the 1Password apps that we use all the time (with a license OR a subscription) even better. Cheers!
This is just my humble opinion, but you could absolutely do it now.
Apple/Google relationship is irrelevant. This is an account security feature which I'm sure both would agree is important. It's important that there is a standard way to change a user's password.
We can use OpenID to authenticate with hundreds of different account providers, because there's a standard that they all follow. There's no corresponding standard for changing the password, though, even though it's critically important.
It would be incredibly useful if there was a standard way of asking a web-service what its password requirements are, and then saying to it: "here's the current password, here's a new password, please change it". It would of course be rate-limited to protect against brute-forcing. It's basically the equivalent of every website's "change password" screen, just automated.
LastPass do it manually: checking every website to see how the 'change password' screens work. They need subscription revenue to support that ridiculous amount of work. As an engineer, that's a stupid solution, and one I will never pay for -- even though I've been tempted; it's the one feature I wish 1P had, but I think there should just be a standard to do this so you don't need all the manual labour.
Saving passwords in the cloud? Passwords? Never ever I'll save password on storages I can't handle. Even not encrypted ones. There are to many security problems in the past.
Where is WebDAV sync to sync on my own NAS or Raspberry?
Where is WebDAV sync to sync on my own NAS or Raspberry?
Ah, got it. We don't have any plans to get rid of traditional licenses. This is just another option alongside that (with some additional features not possible otherwise). Frankly we really need to keep working on the apps anyway since they work in conjunction with 1Password for Families. I love having the convenience of a web interface, but a native app will always be a better experience!
1Password for Families on it's own is worth it to me, because it makes what I've been doing for years to share data so much easier...and the fact that the apps are included too removes the need to worry about licensing (Apple IDs, Google Accounts, license keys/files, etc.) — but for a single user on a single platform (or with less-expensive ones like iOS) it may not be as clear a value. It's all about choices.
If I understand your question correctly, then yes: given the time and energy needed to try to brute force a long, strong, random password (i.e. none of us have enough of either), it would be much easier for an attacker to try to find a flaw in a website (or use social engineering) to gain access to your account...and even then, using a unique password for each site ensures that others won't be affected, the way they could due to password reuse.
I agree that changing passwords is an enormous pain. But just as it's a great deal of work to manually map out all of the policies and procedures for individual sites, keep in mind that there's a very limited payoff for any work in this area. How often do we actually change a password for a given website, after all?
If you're already using 1Password and you created a random one in the first place, the answer should be zero. If you're new to 1Password and beginning to use long, strong, unique, random passwords for existing logins, the answer should be one. And in both cases the exception would be in the case of a breach, where you'd need to change the password afterward, just to be on the safe side. After that, so long as no one else has access to the password, there is no reason to change a strong one that no one will guess.
So while there is a pain point in the rare instances when you do need to change a password, this isn't on the top 10 list of what most people are doing with 1Password multiple times each day. And while it would be nice if 1Password could make it easier, it's important that we focus on improving 1Password in ways that provide the greatest benefit for the most people — such as login filling, since that's by far what we spend the most time doing, and it's a difficult problem in and of itself.
Now, if only more sites adhered to web standards...
I prefer strawberries myself! We have no plans to support WebDAV. It's something we worked on in the past, but it did not meet expectations performance-wise, and isn't a good fit for 1Password data.
And to be clear, we don't save your passwords in the cloud. That would be silly. Instead, whether you're using 1Password for Families or the standalone apps to sync it yourself, your 1Password data is encrypted before it ever leaves your device.
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Glad to be here! It's interesting to get so many different perspectives across the web.
You raise an interesting point about subscription services. Given that this is new for us at AgileBits, I think it's too early to say one way or another. But as I mentioned earlier, as a consumer myself I've warmed up to the idea in recent years of paying monthly — provided I'm getting something of value monthly too, of course. I think it's certainly worth discussing. It seems like Adobe has been successful, but I don't think any of us are privy to the details.
- brenty
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If this is the case can you explain why I can't access the new "Document" item type unless I'm a Family or Team subscriber please?
I know documents can be synced via iCloud by adding them to a login or note or something but when you add Family or Team to 1Password it adds a new item type called Document which is specifically for secure document syncing - something that is not available in the stand alone app without a subscription.
Yup! "Documents" are just a different way of handling what are called "attachments" in a traditional 1Password vault. And of course you're free to add attachments, so let's not get hung up on semantics.
I know that I can add attachments to logins or notes in standard 1Password, I'm talking about something else.Yup! "Documents" are just a different way of handling what are called "attachments" in a traditional 1Password vault. And of course you're free to add attachments, so let's not get hung up on semantics.
In 1Password for Family or Teams there is an item in the sidebar called "Documents" which is for storage and sharing of "attachments" or any file type. When you select Documents in the sidebar you are presented with them, much like you are presented with logins when you click that or secure notes when you click that.
This functionality is only available if you are a subscriber to Family or Teams.
No, you're just talking about a similar feature with a different name that, for your purposes, offers identical functionality. We're literally arguing about the naming scheme. XD
No. The "attachment" functionality in 1Password for Teams is named "documents". You can add files from your computer to your 1Password vault and then view them later through the client. This statement applies both a 1Password local vault (called an "attachment"), or a 1Password for Teams/Families vault (called a "document").
The only difference here being that the technical implementation is different, and because 1Password for Teams/Families has a server component, "documents" can be indexed and accessed independently of other items, and can also be downloaded on the fly. This is not possible with local vaults, since, well...the full contents of the vault need to be present for it to be readable.
But again, you can add files as attachments/documents to a vault regardless of whether you're using the standalone app or the subscription. Seriously. I've been using attachments to sync and share files for years. I hope that helps clarify things!
- brenty
Brent Young
Emissary of Harmony, AgileBits
https://support.1password.com