2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo MBP was released in JUNE 2007!

[ThomasJL]

Fanboys are zealots who just don't get it.

Apple fanboys are zealots who just don't get it. I never said that people should switch from Macs to PCs. I highly prefer OS X to Windows, and I plan to stick with OS X. Apple may be justified if they were charging a reasonable premium for their laptops. However, charging double the price for a Mac with inferior hardware specs than a half-priced PC is not reasonable.

One reason that fanboys are zealots is because they lack a sense of objectivity. It is an alien concept to them that someone could actually think that the Mac OS is superior to Windows OS while simultaneously thinking that PC hardware is superior to Mac hardware.

 

[hypermog]

The one in the '07 was a Merom, the current one is Penryn. Faster, cheaper, smaller, less heat.

 

[MrCheeto]

So, what Thomas is saying is:

Whether it's a '77 Thunderbird or a '67 Mustang, they're both worth the same and not a dime more because they have the same engine options.

Gotcha.

I wanted speed, but I guess a 351 Windsor will get you from 0-60mhp in the same time in both cars, right? Gee, silly of me to think the LIGHTER Mustang body and frame would give me better EFFICIENCY. I'm glad we have a real out-of-the-box thinker to keep us on the righteous path here.


XD

 

[MacModMachine]

Apple fanboys are zealots who just don't get it. I never said that people should switch from Macs to PCs. I highly prefer OS X to Windows, and I plan to stick with OS X. Apple may be justified if they were charging a reasonable premium for their laptops. However, charging double the price for a Mac with inferior hardware specs than a half-priced PC is not reasonable.

One reason that fanboys are zealots is because they lack a sense of objectivity. It is an alien concept to them that someone could actually think that the Mac OS is superior to Windows OS while simultaneously thinking that PC hardware is superior to Mac hardware.

did you read your first post

....you seem to be the one that "does not get it"

 

[johnnymg]

The one in the '07 was a Merom, the current one is Penryn. Faster, cheaper, smaller, less heat.

Opps, not to mention the other improvements to the 13" MBP since 2007.

The OP is entitled to his opinion however misguided it is.

cheers
JohnG

 

[neteng101]

However, charging double the price for a Mac with inferior hardware specs than a half-priced PC is not reasonable.

You obviously can't read a spec sheet very well beyond the processor and HDD capacity. Here's an example of what the half priced PC might be missing...

Weight:
4.5 pounds (2.04 kg)1

Connections and expansion

* MagSafe power port
* One FireWire 800 port (up to 800 Mbps)

Input

* Full-size backlit keyboard with 78 (U.S.) or 79 (ISO) keys, including 12 function keys and 4 arrow keys (inverted “T” arrangement)
* Multi-Touch trackpad for precise cursor control; supports inertial scrolling, pinch, rotate, swipe, three-finger swipe, four-finger swipe, tap, double-tap, and drag capabilities

Battery and power7
Up to 10 hours of wireless productivity.

* Built-in 63.5-watt-hour lithium-polymer battery
up to 10 hours of wireless productivity

Enclosure Precision aluminum unibody


Go back to grade school. You need to learn how to read better.

 

[Horus]

Apple fanboys are zealots who just don't get it. I never said that people should switch from Macs to PCs. I highly prefer OS X to Windows, and I plan to stick with OS X. Apple may be justified if they were charging a reasonable premium for their laptops. However, charging double the price for a Mac with inferior hardware specs than a half-priced PC is not reasonable.

Let us know, oh master, how should Apple charge for their laptops?.

One reason that fanboys are zealots is because they lack a sense of objectivity. It is an alien concept to them that someone could actually think that the Mac OS is superior to Windows OS while simultaneously thinking that PC hardware is superior to Mac hardware.

The problem here is that you're comparing two different CPUs even if they share the same name and frecuency. It is obvious that PC hardware is better, thanks Captain Obvious.

The Toshiba that you linked made me LOL. MrCheeto has PWNed you so many times in your own thread.

 

[ThomasJL]

Fanboys are a bunch of Apple apologists. How ignorant must one be to fail to realize that OS X will run better on--get this--better hardware???

Why is it so wrong to be critical of Apple? It's just a computer company, not a religion. Because of critical people like me, who criticized Apple for their horrible decision of getting rid of FireWire in the first 13" aluminum MacBook, Apple listened and included FireWire on their subsequent revisions of that model. During the criticism, Apple fanboys were acting like their typical selves by vehemently defending Apple's anti-consumer decision to remove FireWire.

Enjoy your iKool-Aid, fanboys!

 

[trondah]

However, charging double the price for a Mac with inferior hardware specs than a half-priced PC is not reasonable.

Sure if you ignore total cost of ownership, resale value and customer satisfaction. Personally I think Apple hardware is dirt cheap for the value it gives me. Every year I sell my Macbook Pro for near full price and buy the latest model with little loss. Performance is more than enough for me, the hardware is uniquely great and the OS as well.

PC's lose 50% of their value in a year because PC users refuse to buy "old" hardware. Mac users appreciate completely different things, and for their purposes the hardware in a Mac is perfectly adequate. They like the technically/visually elegant OSX and the stylish hardware. If all you care about is MHz then a Mac is probably not a good choice.

One reason that fanboys are zealots is because they lack a sense of objectivity. It is an alien concept to them that someone could actually think that the Mac OS is superior to Windows OS while simultaneously thinking that PC hardware is superior to Mac hardware.

I agree, but I more often see "opposite" zealots that fail to realize that most Mac users think Apple hardware is superior _despite_ the lack of CPU power or USB ports. I for one am not going to buy something made of plastic after having a unibody. Or use a normal trackpad instead of Apple's superior glass trackpad.

If a PC vendor makes a laptop that looks better, performs better and feels better than a MBP at a better price, I'll be the first to buy it and make it into a hackintosh. So far nobody has come close in my opinion. Or maybe I'm a zealot, who knows... At least I'm happy about it

 

[aiqw9182]

Oh boy, people are STILL complaining about this?

Just because you don't have an i in your About This Mac?

LMAO!

Check this out:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/899572/

You people really need to find something else to complain about. They have the exact same performance. The i3 is nothing special.

 

[///M5]

And what's the use of posting untrue info (CPU same as 3 years ago)? As said above, it's not, just the same clock speed. Many things are different, such as FSB, model number, etc. 'nuff said, I could go on all day. (I would not want the Toshiba - it's got windows, for starters, and weighs 2 pounds more, 16:9 screen, about 1/2 the battery life...)

God. Fanboyism at its very best! Cheers dude!

 

[devils punchbow]

So what did you accomplish with starting this thread ? Are you normally angry at yourself ? Or just trying to fill time from being bored. What does it matter what processor you have to whine on forums anyway ?

 

[vant]

Fanboys are a bunch of Apple apologists. How ignorant must one be to fail to realize that OS X will run better on--get this--better hardware???

Why is it so wrong to be critical of Apple? It's just a computer company, not a religion. Because of critical people like me, who criticized Apple for their horrible decision of getting rid of FireWire in the first 13" aluminum MacBook, Apple listened and included FireWire on their subsequent revisions of that model. During the criticism, Apple fanboys, were acting like their typical selves by vehemently defending Apple's anti-consumer decision to remove FireWire.

Enjoy your iKool-Aid, fanboys!

Your the spec whore demanding a Core i3 when it is slower in most cases then the C2Ds in the MBP13s.

This is what I hear from you:

WAH WAH WAH, I WANT THE NEWEST THING OUT THERE!!! I DONT CARE IF ITS SLOWERRRR I WANT IT NOW! TOMMY TOSHIBA HAS ONE, WHY CAN'T I !??!?!111

Lets face it: Apple isn't going to include a slower processor/GPU so that you can brag to your chess club friends that you have 2010 architecture.

 

[alust2013]

If you want a better processor, get a 15". End of story. Yes, pro might be a slight misnomer here, but a 13" notebook has no business doing what you are asking it to do. You say that function should go before form, so by that, the 13" MBP shouldn't even exist. If they made it big enough to hold an i3 (slower and uses more power) with the dedicated graphics chip that it would require, given that there would be serious whining about the Intel HD graphics, along with keeping the battery life, there would be tons of complaints about it being too big and heavy for a 13" computer. And yes, I know the CPU frequency doesn't translate exactly between C2D and i3, but the benchmarks (the only place where you could tell a difference) don't show any benefit to the i3. This is not to mention that most 13" windows plastic run C2D as well, and I have yet to see one with a dedicated graphics chip or anywhere near the battery life of the MBP.

It's not so much people being apple fan boys, as others being spec-chasers and seeking out very very specific examples to make apple look like a bunch of idiots for finding a solution to Intel disallowing a decent integrated GPU with the Arrandale CPUs. There is only so much you can stuff you can stuff into a computer, especially as small as the 13" MBP without going back to the days of the 2" thick laptops. The 13" MBP is NOT intended to be a desktop replacement. And as far as the comment about defending the lack of FW in the aluminum MB, I think that was a bad idea personally, and I don't defend it at all.