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Yup, and if you add a RAID card to the 2009 then that's it. All your PCIe slots are full and it's not expandable any further. In a 2008 machine there's still room for more. ;) I don't get why Apple did that. It's like they cut the machine in half and then jacked the price to double??? What gives? Too weird!

where do you get those prices?
the stuff i find are octos 2,8 with 2gig ram, 320 gb harddrive at about 3000 euros
for less you get a brand new quad 2,93 with 8gig ram :-/
 
where do you get those prices?
the stuff i find are octos 2,8 with 2gig ram, 320 gb harddrive at about 3000 euros
for less you get a brand new quad 2,93 with 8gig ram :-/
He's in Japan, and Europe seems to run higher for prices, not just a result of the VAT. :(

Keep looking around. Check for refurbs, 3rd party vendors, and used systems. Patience should pay off. :)
 
where do you get those prices?
the stuff i find are octos 2,8 with 2gig ram, 320 gb harddrive at about 3000 euros
for less you get a brand new quad 2,93 with 8gig ram :-/

I dunno euro prices but if it's really that then you're getting totally ripped off. You should walk in a yell at the top of your voice what a rip it is once a day every day on your way past the shop - that's how bad those prices are! In fact frankly I just don't even believe you.

Even just briefly searching finds:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/693678/
http://www.shopwiki.co.uk/_Mac+Pro+2x+E5462+2.8g+Office+Mac+Media+Edition+2008

Yeah, about £1,500 and refurbs or used will of course be less.
 
8-core is better in the long run. Snow Leopard is optimized for multiple cores and will use them more efficiently.

More cores is definitely better when running multiple apps. Your "workflow" is the combination of all of the apps you move between during an average session, whether or not they are related to the same project.

Although you may spend 45min focus in After affects, once you set up a render, you may jump between emails, open multiple web pages, preview quicktime movies, open other audio or video apps, and possibly have another app rendering at the same time. That render is using 40% of your total CPUs, leaving 60% for the rest of your work. You can actually get something done while rendering, thus you as a user are now more productive, even if the 8 cores are not rending twice as fast as the quad core.
 
I dunno euro prices but if it's really that then you're getting totally ripped off. You should walk in a yell at the top of your voice what a rip it is once a day every day on your way past the shop - that's how bad those prices are! In fact frankly I just don't even believe you.

Even just briefly searching finds:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/693678/
http://www.shopwiki.co.uk/_Mac+Pro+2x+E5462+2.8g+Office+Mac+Media+Edition+2008

Yeah, about £1,500 and refurbs or used will of course be less.

will look at those co.uk sites. usa is out of the question... costum taxes and delays :-/
so now the 2008 is back on my list.. next to the 2,9 quad 2009 ;)
 
8-core is better in the long run. Snow Leopard is optimized for multiple cores and will use them more efficiently.

More cores is definitely better when running multiple apps. Your "workflow" is the combination of all of the apps you move between during an average session, whether or not they are related to the same project.

Although you may spend 45min focus in After affects, once you set up a render, you may jump between emails, open multiple web pages, preview quicktime movies, open other audio or video apps, and possibly have another app rendering at the same time. That render is using 40% of your total CPUs, leaving 60% for the rest of your work. You can actually get something done while rendering, thus you as a user are now more productive, even if the 8 cores are not rending twice as fast as the quad core.
Though I agree on the necessity for more cores concept for video/graphics workstations, SL's not going to make much of a difference (Grand Central aspect anyway).

Most applications that can benefit from multi threaded operation, have already been written to accomplish it. So the API calls added to SL won't make a difference. Then there's the fact those API's are more general purpose, and not optimised to a specific task, which can be done by the application developer. Where it can help, is aid the developers who've not yet done it for apps that can. Stragglers and fence sitters per se. :p

It's not going to be able to take single threaded apps and make them mutli threaded apps either, as most are for a reason. Sequential operation, so the next output is derived from the previous data. It can't be split up due to data dependencies.

Where SL will help, is the fact it's a 64 bit Kernel, and is optimized, so the 32bit code bloat is reduced (perhaps not able to be entirely eliminated to retain some backwards compatibility). That would be quite welcome IMO. ;)

Then there's the future possibility of Open CL aiding renders for example. But that will take time to come to fuition, as the code still has to be developed by the application developer to use it. ;)

All in all, SL will be a welcome improvement, but not going to provide substantial performance gains on it's own. Software has to be rewritten/patched to make use of it, provided it can even help.

If you're wanting to speed up renders, you'd want to look into improving I/O throughputs, such as increased memory, and disk (i.e. RAID), and faster clocks (processor swap, assuming it's feasible financially).
 
IDE is perfect for ODD devices and it's even difficult to find ODDs in SATA form.

Untrue. By now they've pretty much switched all the ODDs over to SATA. You can still buy IDE drives for your older hardware, but latest & greatest - and now, majority of Blu-ray - is SATA.

I wouldn't say IDE is perfect for ODDs. It's not exactly an issue with their far lower throughput, but I think it's a technology due for retirement. Like, say, VGA ports. But I don't despise IDE the way I despise VGA. It's not overly inferior (like VGA is).
 
Untrue. By now they've pretty much switched all the ODDs over to SATA. You can still buy IDE drives for your older hardware, but latest & greatest - and now, majority of Blu-ray - is SATA.

I wouldn't say IDE is perfect for ODDs. It's not exactly an issue with their far lower throughput, but I think it's a technology due for retirement. Like, say, VGA ports. But I don't despise IDE the way I despise VGA. It's not overly inferior (like VGA is).
Meh. It still has its uses, such as the attaching of the optical drive to the IDE port, thus allowing the SATA ports to remain free for HDD/SSD drives. ;)
 
Sure, you can do that. I just ran both my ODDs off of SATA because I preferred to; I don't want to run more drives in there just yet. Next time I upgrade drives, though, I'll probably be able to upgrade all of them and get sufficient capacity and speed with just the four bays. HDDs up to 2 TB and counting, now. SSDs becoming affordable...

I mean, it would probably be pretty easy for  to drop a few more SATA ports on the logic board in the next revision, anyway. Or add a 2.5" drive bay in addition to existing bays...
 
I mean, it would probably be pretty easy for  to drop a few more SATA ports on the logic board in the next revision, anyway. Or add a 2.5" drive bay in addition to existing bays...
The ICH is limited in the number of ports it has available (6 total), so to add SATA ports, another SATA controller chip would be needed. Not impossible, but it adds additional cost and work to the system's design.

As Intel has been developing the boards, I don't think this will happen though, as they seem to be keeping strictly to the CPU/chipset only historically speaking.
 
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