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2007 Harpertown Stoakley-Seaburg Motherboard With New Graphics Cards 8-Core Mac Pro
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My anxiety level is through the roof.
...Must be nice to have that kind of coin to just buy a Quad Mac Pro just to have something newer, on a whim.
Just placed my order, I couldn't help it but I went with the 2.66Ghz over 2.00Ghz
Final specs will be: Mac Pro 2 x 2.66Ghz, 3GB RAM, 250GB + 500GB HDD, BT + AE. 30" Apple Cinema Display.
Final specs will be: Mac Pro 2 x 2.66Ghz, 3GB RAM, 250GB + 500GB HDD, BT + AE. 30" Apple Cinema Display.
OK I've been following this thread for a while now, great by the way.
First off, Multimedia is just verbalizing (typing) what many of us are contemplating. (so lay off him some of you, he's helpful and helpful information is not always pleasing. Skeptics are good thing! Harsh critics are too (when based upon reason and logic) Do you know in academic cicrles this is understood. It's and honor to have your theory's and/or concepts challenged, that means they are worthy of discourse. To be ignored is the ultimate insult.
I for one am waiting, hold'n out for the refresh of the Mac Pro. MM, hold in there, there's a camp of us. This will be my first Mac as I have already mentally switched and I am waiting to manifest my transition in my next computer purchase. Waiting even for leopard justifies a portion of money that will not be wasted.
(sorry but I have to express this, cause my mac friends do not always know the pain that the pc world experiences) I am so sick and fed up with adware, viruses, scanners, pop ups, Trojans. That alone is enough to have anyone switch. PC are about freedom over precision, The PC user is the same dream we see in car commercials. Boy that's sports car looks free on open roads, but the fact of the matter is there's traffic every where. The concept of freedom is what drives sales of most cars today along with externalizing emotions and cultural upbringing. As with PC sales market dominance is merely perpetuated by the cultural upbringing factor. I was raised in an windows pc house therefor..... The same statical correlation is found in religions, but it's best we don't really go there. Mac products are a logical decision. The entire argument I have read hundreds of times pc cheaper etc mac are better looking. Is really a misguided argument butchering the word design. First off Design is not Art! only by default. Art is about expression and does not have the burden of communication. Design has to work. User centered design (UCD) is actually employed in mac products! Activity centered design (ACD) I might argue but never the less. This is what products should be. It's not merely about aesthetics, though important. The body of research in Human computer interaction supports this (the value of aesthetics in usability studies).
The point here is that the criticizing I see of products even if they are top of the line is justified (aslong as they are logical). Remeber everythign we are talking about are all man made tools. Meaning we can create them how ever we want to. Almost every nuisance and flaw you experience in any product or service can be better. Fo instance we could create cars inwhich no one dies (We've acheived this in auto racing for some time now), but we choose not to. The the imperfections almost always fall back on the designer/creator. For various reason such as constraints, unforeseen interactions, etc... Here's where the criticism's transform into the driving force of optimism. As an aspiring industrial design researcher that's my very job to discover, decipher and paint (create) the future of tools for people. I am alway optimistic about the future, even though humanity fails to implement the lessons of the past.
First off, Multimedia is just verbalizing (typing) what many of us are contemplating. (so lay off him some of you, he's helpful and helpful information is not always pleasing. Skeptics are good thing! Harsh critics are too (when based upon reason and logic) Do you know in academic cicrles this is understood. It's and honor to have your theory's and/or concepts challenged, that means they are worthy of discourse. To be ignored is the ultimate insult.
I for one am waiting, hold'n out for the refresh of the Mac Pro. MM, hold in there, there's a camp of us. This will be my first Mac as I have already mentally switched and I am waiting to manifest my transition in my next computer purchase. Waiting even for leopard justifies a portion of money that will not be wasted.
(sorry but I have to express this, cause my mac friends do not always know the pain that the pc world experiences) I am so sick and fed up with adware, viruses, scanners, pop ups, Trojans. That alone is enough to have anyone switch. PC are about freedom over precision, The PC user is the same dream we see in car commercials. Boy that's sports car looks free on open roads, but the fact of the matter is there's traffic every where. The concept of freedom is what drives sales of most cars today along with externalizing emotions and cultural upbringing. As with PC sales market dominance is merely perpetuated by the cultural upbringing factor. I was raised in an windows pc house therefor..... The same statical correlation is found in religions, but it's best we don't really go there. Mac products are a logical decision. The entire argument I have read hundreds of times pc cheaper etc mac are better looking. Is really a misguided argument butchering the word design. First off Design is not Art! only by default. Art is about expression and does not have the burden of communication. Design has to work. User centered design (UCD) is actually employed in mac products! Activity centered design (ACD) I might argue but never the less. This is what products should be. It's not merely about aesthetics, though important. The body of research in Human computer interaction supports this (the value of aesthetics in usability studies).
The point here is that the criticizing I see of products even if they are top of the line is justified (aslong as they are logical). Remeber everythign we are talking about are all man made tools. Meaning we can create them how ever we want to. Almost every nuisance and flaw you experience in any product or service can be better. Fo instance we could create cars inwhich no one dies (We've acheived this in auto racing for some time now), but we choose not to. The the imperfections almost always fall back on the designer/creator. For various reason such as constraints, unforeseen interactions, etc... Here's where the criticism's transform into the driving force of optimism. As an aspiring industrial design researcher that's my very job to discover, decipher and paint (create) the future of tools for people. I am alway optimistic about the future, even though humanity fails to implement the lessons of the past.
T-Minus 7-8 Weeks Max
End of August is only 8 weeks away. Then we'll only be 8 weeks away from the end of October and the Leopard launch. So hang in there everyone. Two months 'til the new SS 8 Core Mac Pros and only two more 'til Leopard. We can do it.
My GUESS not prediction.
End of August is only 8 weeks away. Then we'll only be 8 weeks away from the end of October and the Leopard launch. So hang in there everyone. Two months 'til the new SS 8 Core Mac Pros and only two more 'til Leopard. We can do it.
My GUESS not prediction.
Hey Multi... I've been camping in the redwoods for two weeks... ahhh ancient bliss... but more importantly... 7-8 weeks MAX for the SS MP???? Is this wild conjecture or gossip seated in reality?
I'm so excited... I might buy two... one to use and one to stare at.
Mac Pro One Year Anniversary Is In August
Wild conjecture based on the fact that the original Mac Pro will be one year old then. Apple has a rare history of letting any model continue beyond one year. By then iPhone Fever will be over and we should also see an all new iMac as well.
I also have the cash, AND two Apple Store gift cards I got last Christmas totalling $300.00. So with the student discount and the gift cards, it won't hurt too much when the time comes.
I really really really hope they do something about those video cards. 2007 is almost half over and those 2006 video cards are getting older and older.
i hope apple does change the cards, i've been saving up sense jan 06 and just recently sold my mac mini, dell xps, 23-cinema display, 30g ipod, isight i gave up everything for a macpro and manage to save up $7,000 towards the computer and a 30-cinema display, right now i'm using a PS3 for internet and email temporary until october, 3 more month of waiting left.
Dude
buy a refurb MacBook or something.I bought a stock 2.6, upgraded to 4GB and a ton of hdds 3rd party. Added wifi myself. Couldn't pass up the price. Video card kinda sucks, but I can wait for a new Radeon or something. Just can't see paying that much for the X1900. Thought about getting a PC version and flashing it, but it doesn't seem worth it. It's nice so far, faster than my G5. Glad I didn't wait, as the project I'm currently working on demands a lot of rendering, despite being fairly simple. I'm sure SS will be awesome, but who knows when that will be and who knows how much it will cost.
Wondering though if I should get more RAM. I had 8GB on my PMG5 Quad, but it didn't seem to really help over the 4GB. Maybe that's changed with FCS2, and it's getting pretty cheap now.
You forgot one more permutation:
Want — Almost Need, But Can't Justify although Can Afford — Re-Evaluate / Wait
Although I want and can afford it, I can't justify dumping that much money into what is mostly last years tech. I'm resigned to continue living with my Quad G5 for another 4-6 months.
Any computer hardware is last seasons technology the moment is announced and released and when you actually see chipset roadmap...
Personally i think waiting for new technology makes no sense-Nobody will ever have the latest no matter what you think. Of ocurse companies will want you to believe it but if you go to intels roadmap they already have their chipsets plans up until like 2010 so why wait? if the increase is going to be in the increments of .166-.466mhz per core? whats the point in really waiting when the macpro i user expandble? i understand a all in one but a desktop?
Well in this case, aside from the hope of the Stoakely Seaburg edition, the current available video cards are EXTREMELY OLD. The x1900xt was released in January 2006!!. The 7300GT is woefully underpowered and old as well. Many of us cannot see the justification in spending so much money on a Mac Pro with a year and a half old video card in it, and being charged the same price ($450) it was at launch. Also, take a look at the 7300GT. Apple wants 149 a copy, despite the fact you can buy one today for HALF that. Spending 2499+ on a Mac Pro with old, outdated video cards just doesn't sound appealing and I, like many many others, are waiting until Apple rectifies the situation.
I am not familiar with this card, but where is it so underpowered? In 3d applications only? Video editing? Photoshop? Or in everything, even simple 2d stuff? Can it not render the genie effect on the dock?
Elaborate.
http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/macpro.ars/5
And this review was conducted nearly a year ago.
In 3D applications (such as CAD related work, or Maya.. or Bruce3D) and in games.
Anything can handle the genie effect on the dock though, including a 2nd year math student with a pen and paper.
why not buy a mac pro now and get a new video-card when they come out ?
isn't that the whole point of buying an 'expandable' mac ?
the radeon x1900xt isn't such a slouch anyway , certainly not for anything apart from high end gaming , and since gaming is very low on most mac user's list , i don't think too many people care
i certainly don't
isn't that the whole point of buying an 'expandable' mac ?
the radeon x1900xt isn't such a slouch anyway , certainly not for anything apart from high end gaming , and since gaming is very low on most mac user's list , i don't think too many people care
i certainly don't
There Are Many Different Reasons Each Of Us Are Waiting
- Next Alacarte Cards Cost More and might not work with the current Mac Pros
- Blu-ray® DVD±RW
- Cheaper 8 Cores Perhaps No More Expensive Than Today's 4 Cores
- Stoakley-Seaburg Multi-Core Management Chipset
- RAM we know not what it will be next
- Ports may include built-in HDMI i/o like new receivers do
- We're not all just waiting for better video cards
- There are many different reasons each of us are waiting
Yes, as MM pointed out, many reasons for many people NOT buying the Mac Pro now and waiting. In my opinion, hard earned money is better spent on something current.
Also, end of this month is the Intel price drops, which will put the quad core chips as cheap as the current dual-cores. So we may see an 8-core lineup throughout. I don't have a link at the moment on the new price drops, but they are supposed to be substantial.
Also, end of this month is the Intel price drops, which will put the quad core chips as cheap as the current dual-cores. So we may see an 8-core lineup throughout. I don't have a link at the moment on the new price drops, but they are supposed to be substantial.
i just bought a maxed out 2.66 from the apple store , i'm sick of waiting for THE NEXT BIG THING
plus the stuff i use a mac for - no pro stuff at all - i'm sure i'll never reach anywhere near it's limitations , heck , my imac dual core is fast enough for me , i just fancied a change
i'd hardly call appleworks , filemaker pro and photoshop elements testing apps
but for you pros , i'm sure an 8 core super duper mac pro with a 1 gig videocard will be just what you need !!!
plus the stuff i use a mac for - no pro stuff at all - i'm sure i'll never reach anywhere near it's limitations , heck , my imac dual core is fast enough for me , i just fancied a change
i'd hardly call appleworks , filemaker pro and photoshop elements testing apps
but for you pros , i'm sure an 8 core super duper mac pro with a 1 gig videocard will be just what you need !!!
Good for you flappo. I am sure you will enjoy it. People keep using this "next big thing" argument. I KNOW I will never get ahead, the next Mac Pros won't have the 45nm Xeons unless it hits in 08. Which means, I know now that I will be behind if the next Mac Pro is released before years end.
However, the Mac Pro has been stagnant for nearly a year. Waiting for the next update which is most likely months away is not on par with the "next best thing" argument. I simply don't want to buy year+ old technology at year+ old prices today.
If I can get an eight core Mac Pro for the same price I can today, why the hell wouldn't I wait? And don't mock us because you bought last years Mac. It isn't about needing 8-cores or a 1GB video card, it is about knowing what is happening in the market and not being a fool and purchasing it when you can get 8-cores and better video cards. I would call your purchase stupid, to be frank. But hey, you can make your own decisions, just like I can. So instead of sarcastically calling you stupid, I congratulate you on your Mac purchase like I do everyone else who has bought one. I hope this makes more sense to the "next best thing, you're gonna wait for ever, you will never catch up" crowd.
Just to illustrate further. I will use an example of why it is smart to wait. A colleague at work is building himself a nice core 2 duo computer this year. He, like most system builders knows about the Intel price drop coming at the end of the month. So, he waits. Do you know why? Becausr today the Q6600 is anywhere between $450 and $600 (It was on sale at Frys for $300 for the holiday). Do you know what it will be at the end of the month? $266. That is smart. And that is what most of us are doing here.
However, the Mac Pro has been stagnant for nearly a year. Waiting for the next update which is most likely months away is not on par with the "next best thing" argument. I simply don't want to buy year+ old technology at year+ old prices today.
If I can get an eight core Mac Pro for the same price I can today, why the hell wouldn't I wait? And don't mock us because you bought last years Mac. It isn't about needing 8-cores or a 1GB video card, it is about knowing what is happening in the market and not being a fool and purchasing it when you can get 8-cores and better video cards. I would call your purchase stupid, to be frank. But hey, you can make your own decisions, just like I can. So instead of sarcastically calling you stupid, I congratulate you on your Mac purchase like I do everyone else who has bought one. I hope this makes more sense to the "next best thing, you're gonna wait for ever, you will never catch up" crowd.
Just to illustrate further. I will use an example of why it is smart to wait. A colleague at work is building himself a nice core 2 duo computer this year. He, like most system builders knows about the Intel price drop coming at the end of the month. So, he waits. Do you know why? Becausr today the Q6600 is anywhere between $450 and $600 (It was on sale at Frys for $300 for the holiday). Do you know what it will be at the end of the month? $266. That is smart. And that is what most of us are doing here.
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