2007 Harpertown Stoakley-Seaburg Motherboard With New Graphics Cards 8-Core Mac Pro

[Topper]

3.2GHz 1600MHz FSB Harpertown in November

According Fudzilla, a 3.2GHz Harpertown with FSB 1600 support and 12MB of cache is scheduled for a November launch. It will be known as the X5482.

The X5472 is the 3.0GHz part with the same FSB 1600MHz and 12MB cache. This CPU will have a TDP of 120W which indicates that the 3.2GHz part might have even higher dissipation. There will be an E version of the 3.0GHz CPU branded as E5472 with the same specification, but this one doesn't have 120W TDP listed.

The last 1600MHz FSB part is the 2.8GHz X5462 Yorkfield with 12 MB of cache, also scheduled for a November launch. All these parts are meant for server and workstation machines.

I added the X5482, X5472, and X5462 to the following chart.
The X5472 & X5462 don't make sense to me.
Why make a 1600MHz FSB 3.0GHz Harpertown (X5472) with 120W TDP when supposedly there is an 80W 1600MHz FSB 3.0 Harpertown (E5472) on the boards?
AND why make a 1600MHz FSB 2.8GHz Harpertown (X5462) with 120W TDP when supposedly there is
an 80W 1600MHz FSB 2.8 Harpertown (E5462) on the boards?

Softpedia says there will be X5472s and E5472s and X5462s and E5462s.
Fudzilla says there are 12 SKUs so maybe the chart makes sense (maybe) but not to me.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3336&Itemid=35

 

[Umbongo]

At a guess, the X branded processors will be unlocked for use with skulltrail overclocking.

edit: They may also be early production processors.

 

[tristan]

Thanks for the info Topper.

 

[Butthead]

At a guess, the X branded processors will be unlocked for use with skulltrail overclocking.

edit: They may also be early production processors.

According the the most accurate Apple rumors source today, Digitimes, lol.

You won't see those listed above, only the Core 2 Extreme QX9650 Xeon processor, which Apple may, could, should announce on Nov. 12 in the TOL MP, IMO. Of course being Extreme version, Apple could overclock to higher CPU frequencies.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20070928PD207.html

Intel plans to release the first 45nm desktop CPU, the Core 2 Extreme QX9650 on November 11, according to sources at motherboard makers.

The quad-core CPU will offer a frequency of 3.0GHz with 1333MHz FSB and 12MB L2 cache. As is typical for products in the Extreme series, pricing for the CPU will be set at US$999 in 1000-unit tray quantities.

In an update to previous reports, three 45nm quad-core CPUs (Yorkfield) and another three 45nm dual-core CPUs (Wolfdale) for desktops will be launched in January next year, noted the sources.

The three quad-core CPUs will include the Core 2 Quad Q9550 (2.83GHz, 12MB L2 cache), Q9450 (2.66GHz, 12MB) and Q9300 (2.5GHz, 6MB), with pricing expected at US$530, US$316 and US$266 in 1000-unit tray quantities, respectively.

 

[suneohair]

According the the most accurate Apple rumors source today, Digitimes, lol.

You won't see those listed above, only the Core 2 Extreme QX9650 Xeon processor, which Apple may, could, should announce on Nov. 12 in the TOL MP, IMO. Of course being Extreme version, Apple could overclock to higher CPU frequencies.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20070928PD207.html

Please get a clue. We are talking about Harpertown Xeons. That CPU is not a Xeon. Jeez.

 

[Eidorian]

Please get a clue. We are talking about Hapertown. That CPU is not a Xeon. Jeez.

The only significant difference would be the SMP logic.

 

[suneohair]

The only significant difference would be the SMP logic.

Naturally. However, that poster seems to think that there won't be anything for the Mac Pro until January, which we know is false. My point is that he needs to educate himself, as he has used that story twice now to say there would be nothing til January.

 

[Eidorian]

Naturally. However, that poster seems to think that there won't be anything for the Mac Pro until January, which we know is false. My point is that he needs to educate himself, as he has used that story twice now to say there would be nothing til January.

Quite true.

 

[darthraige]

It would be so great if Apple says, "Buy a new UPDATED MacPro and get Leopard on it one week earlier from it's release date." October is Monday! Let the countdown begin.

 

[Multimedia]

So 2.33, 2.8 & 3.2 Dual Harpertowns?

According Fudzilla, a 3.2GHz Harpertown with FSB 1600 support and 12MB of cache is scheduled for a November launch. It will be known as the X5482.

The X5472 is the 3.0GHz part with the same FSB 1600MHz and 12MB cache. This CPU will have a TDP of 120W which indicates that the 3.2GHz part might have even higher dissipation. There will be an E version of the 3.0GHz CPU branded as E5472 with the same specification, but this one doesn't have 120W TDP listed.

The last 1600MHz FSB part is the 2.8GHz X5462 Yorkfield with 12 MB of cache, also scheduled for a November launch. All these parts are meant for server and workstation machines.

I added the X5482, X5472, and X5462 to the following chart.
The X5472 & X5462 don't make sense to me.
Why make a 1600MHz FSB 3.0GHz Harpertown (X5472) with 120W TDP when supposedly there is an 80W 1600MHz FSB 3.0 Harpertown (E5472) on the boards?
AND why make a 1600MHz FSB 2.8GHz Harpertown (X5462) with 120W TDP when supposedly there is
an 80W 1600MHz FSB 2.8 Harpertown (E5462) on the boards?

Softpedia says there will be X5472s and E5472s and X5462s and E5462s.
Fudzilla says there are 12 SKUs so maybe the chart makes sense (maybe) but not to me.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3336&Itemid=35

Thank you for the chart Topper. According to it, I would expect a 2.33 GHz, 2.8 GHz and 3.2 GHz all Dual Harpertown line up to be offered. That would make the whole lineup all faster then their predecessors as well as having twice as many cores. Is this a logical expectation? Seems like the 12 MB of L2 Cache will also make a big difference, tripling the previous 4 MB and giving each core 6 MB of L2 cache instead of 2. Won't that help improve speed a lot?

 

[Umbongo]

Thank you for the chart Topper. According to it, I would expect a 2.33 GHz, 2.8 GHz and 3.2 GHz all Dual Harpertown line up to be offered. That would make the whole lineup all faster then their predecessors as well as having twice as many cores. Is this a logical expectation? Seems like the 12 MB of L2 Cache will also make a big difference, tripling the previous 4 MB and giving each core 6 MB of L2 cache instead of 2. Won't that help improve speed a lot?

I think this is the most logical expectation. It may not be what we eventually see (profit or supply issues perhaps), but I don't think we should be expecting anything less on the processor front and it would be fair to be dissapointed if it wasn't like this with similar pricing to what there is now.

 

[Wild-Bill]

Personally, I'd like to see either the E5462 (2.8 GHz) or the E5472 (3.0 Ghz), at 1600 FSB but with a TDP of only 80 watts. A blazing FSB with 40% less TDP than the X series chips. Cooler, and more energy efficient. Have your cake and eat it too.

With the way Apple is usually concerned with heat, it wouldn't surprise me if they chose only Harpertowns with the 80 watt TDP. However, it would be nice to have the higher FSB to accompany that!!

 

[Topper]

Thank you for the chart.

I made yet another chart.
This one with prices added.
Let me know if you see any clerical errors.

 

[Umbongo]

I made yet another chart.
This one with prices added.
Let me know if you see any clerical errors.

Apple offer the 2.00GHz Woodcrest not the 2.33GHz if you included that on the basis of showing current processors as well as possible replacements.

 

[Multimedia]

Why Identical 3 GHz In Both 80 Watt & 120 Watt Versions?

Personally, I'd like to see either the E5462 (2.8 GHz) or the E5472 (3.0 Ghz), at 1600 FSB but with a TDP of only 80 watts. A blazing FSB with 40% less TDP than the X series chips. Cooler, and more energy efficient. Have your cake and eat it too.

With the way Apple is usually concerned with heat, it wouldn't surprise me if they chose only Harpertowns with the 80 watt TDP. However, it would be nice to have the higher FSB to accompany that!!

I'd still rather have the 3.2 GHz @ 120 watts. That's an extra 1.6 GHz of speed across the 8 cores for a total of 25.6 GHz. Wonder why they offer 3 GHz in both an 80 watt E5472 and 120 watt X5472 model with the same specs?

 

[Topper]

Apple offer the 2.00GHz Woodcrest not the 2.33GHz if you included that on the basis of showing current processors as well as possible replacements.

The reason I never included it is because it was never subject to the July 22nd price cuts.
Only the Clovertowns and higher clocked Woodcrests were reduced in price.
The original price of the 2.00GHz Woodcrest was $315.00.

I'll tell you what, give me a couple hours and I will change the chart.

 

[Umbongo]

The reason I never included it is because it was never subject to the July 22nd price cuts.
Only the Clovertowns and higher clocked Woodcrests were reduced in price.
The original price of the 2.00GHz Woodcrest was $315.00.

I'll tell you what, give me a couple hours and I will change the chart.

None of the Woodcrests have changed in price since release.

 

[Umbongo]

I'd still rather have the 3.2 GHz @ 120 watts. That's an extra 1.6 GHz of speed across the 8 cores for a total of 25.6 GHz. Wonder why they offer 3 GHz in both an 80 watt E5472 and 120 watt X5472 model with the same specs?

Likely early production processors or unlocked for overclocking Skulltrail systems.

 

[Topper]

None of the Woodcrests have changed in price since release.

Good for you, you are correct.
I guess when I made the original chart I was thinking that the 2.33GHz was the low-end Woodcrest processor in the Mac Pro.

The chart has been updated.

 

[Pressure]

Good for you, you are correct.
I guess when I made the original chart I was thinking that the 2.33GHz was the low-end Woodcrest processor in the Mac Pro.

The chart has been updated.

Also the Xeon 5365 3.0Ghz is now a 120 Watt Thermal Design Power part.

The initial ones in April were 150 Watt.

 

[Topper]

Also the Xeon 5365 3.0Ghz is now a 120 Watt Thermal Design Power processor.

The initial ones in April were 150 Watt.

Sounds good....changed.

 

[Multimedia]

Why Two Different Wattage 3 GHz Models With Same Spec Harpertowns?

Wonder why they offer 3 GHz in both an 80 watt E5472 and 120 watt X5472 model with the same specs?

Anyone know why?

 

[Umbongo]

Anyone know why?

I don't know if you missed my earlier posts, or maybe they weren't detailed enough.

On the desktop side X is used to denote "extreme" processors and these tend to be unlocked for overclocking. The Skulltrail platform is designed to use unlocked harpertown processors so perhaps they are destined for this. They may also be earlier produced processors, that will run at the speeds the 5472 needs, but won't run at Intel's 80w specification. The X ones may also have been intended to be the first released ones, and later replaced with the E designated processors as enough quantity became available, but Intel are in a position to release both at launch.

On another note I've also seen it claimed that Intel has TDP bands and even if they were, for example, 100W Intel would still rate them as 120W.

 

[Cuyahoga]

chart Topper

Well I'm easily amused...

 

[RichP]

I already got my Macpro 3.0 quad, a better graphics card option will be nice. Hopefully a good upgrade path will be available when the new machines come out for the earlier MacPros.