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2008/9 COLLEGE Football Thread

Also, there is this popular argument of Big 12 D sucks and SEC D is awesome.

Consider Florida's schedule (opponent's offensive ranking):
Hawaii (54)
Miami, FL. (50)
Tennessee (111)
Mississippi (28) - loss
Arkansas (91)
LSU (30)
Kentucky (87)
Georgia (29)
Vanderbilt (106)
South Carolina (97)
Citadel (ha ha)
Florida State (22)
Alabama (35)

Now OU:
Chattanooga (ha ha)
Cincinnati (56)
Washington (118)
TCU (21)
Baylor (43)
Texas (4) - Loss
Kansas (22)
Kansas State (19)
Nebraska (18)
Texas A&M (65)
Texas Tech (5)
Oklahoma State (9)
Missouri (6)

So,
OU has played 8 top 25 offenses, Florida has played 1.

While it is popular to say that the offense in the Big 12 is a mirage because the defense sucks, one could easily argue that the defenses are made to look bad because of the great offenses. Additionally, while many say the defense in the SEC is spectacular and OU will be dominated by Florida's D, one could argue that the defenses in the SEC are skewed due to bad offenses.

OU is giving up 1.6 points for every possession by the opponent. FU is giving up 1.8 points per opponent possession. Overall stats for OU's defense are skewed by its prolific and fast scoring offense which gives opponents many more possessions and thus opportunities to make yards and score. I mean, geez, OU has scored something like 95 TDs this year on offense, meaning other teams' offenses had more opportunities to score and many late-game opportunities to score when OU was killing them.

I am not saying Florida's D is over-rated. I think it will be a tough test for OU indeed. However, I just get frustrated when people make it sound so cut and dry.
 
big12 defenses definitely do suck. they don't have one team in the top50 of total defense. texas was #2 at run defense but ohio state had no problems running and their rank is inflated because who runs the ball in the big12?
 
SLC Flyfishing said:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-utah010509&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Read it, then tell me what you think about what the Harris Poll voters admitted to!

SLC
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This dead horse has been flogged and beaten beyond recognition
Time to move on to congratulating the Longhorns on their win
And to rooting on the Sooners in the NC game

obey908 said:
ohio state outplayed texas though. not impress with mccoy at all
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Not impressed with McCoy? Really?

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What more did he need to do to impress you?
41 of 59 for 414 yards and 2 TDs
Rushed for 1 TD
70% completion
136.23 QB rating
And... he won the game

P-Worm said:
Wow. That game was closer than I think most of us expected.

Now, before SLC jumps in, let me be the first Ute to say that this game shouldn't give Texas any arguments for being national champions. C'mon guys, everyone expected you to slaughter the buckeyes. What happened?

P-Worm
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dmr727 said:
Okay first of all, as far as I know, I'm the only Longhorn on this message board. Someone please tell me where I said that we should be National Champions, that we'd beat up on USC, or anything else. Feel free to try and tear me down and rain on my parade. That's fine. But for a team that was supposed to lose at least four this season, I'm happy.
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I don't think anyone on the board, especially dmr727, has been clamoring for a split title for Texas. Now USC and Utah... that's a different story... but neither of them has a legit claim either as far as I am concerned. Congrats to the Longhorns.

I have to admit, I went to bed after the 3rd quarter :eek:
Wish I had stayed up to watch the finish

Blazecc said:
45 - 42
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Old news, my friend... old news :rolleyes:

Boomer Sooner Baby!
I hate the Gators™

Woof, Woof - Dawg
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What a great game last night.... Glad to see the Longhorns pull it out. Can't stand Ohio since they are a bitter rival for my other team. Lose buckeye lose teehee....

Man, Mr. McCoy was on fire last night. 414 yards passing yikes!
 
gibbz said:
Also, there is this popular argument of Big 12 D sucks and SEC D is awesome.

Consider Florida's schedule (opponent's offensive ranking):
Hawaii (54)
Miami, FL. (50)
Tennessee (111)
Mississippi (28) - loss
Arkansas (91)
LSU (30)
Kentucky (87)
Georgia (29)
Vanderbilt (106)
South Carolina (97)
Citadel (ha ha)
Florida State (22)
Alabama (35)

Now OU:
Chattanooga (ha ha)
Cincinnati (56)
Washington (118)
TCU (21)
Baylor (43)
Texas (4) - Loss
Kansas (22)
Kansas State (19)
Nebraska (18)
Texas A&M (65)
Texas Tech (5)
Oklahoma State (9)
Missouri (6)

So,
OU has played 8 top 25 offenses, Florida has played 1.

While it is popular to say that the offense in the Big 12 is a mirage because the defense sucks, one could easily argue that the defenses are made to look bad because of the great offenses. Additionally, while many say the defense in the SEC is spectacular and OU will be dominated by Florida's D, one could argue that the defenses in the SEC are skewed due to bad offenses.

OU is giving up 1.6 points for every possession by the opponent. FU is giving up 1.8 points per opponent possession. Overall stats for OU's defense are skewed by its prolific and fast scoring offense which gives opponents many more possessions and thus opportunities to make yards and score. I mean, geez, OU has scored something like 95 TDs this year on offense, meaning other teams' offenses had more opportunities to score and many late-game opportunities to score when OU was killing them.

I am not saying Florida's D is over-rated. I think it will be a tough test for OU indeed. However, I just get frustrated when people make it sound so cut and dry.
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This is great if you are just going to take a one year snap shot of a division. Why don't you go and take a look back say over the last 10 years and let us know what you find. I think your numbers might be a little different.
 
SLC Flyfishing said:
So did you read the article MacDawg, or did you gloss it over? Because it would be funny if you did since that's what the article is all about.

SLC
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Nope, I read it... meh, it was not compelling reading I'm afraid

While you see it as proof your team is being highly disrespected...
... the truth is, your team is simply irrelevant until it does something big...
Then people go, hmmm, nice team, nice story, and they move on

We will just have to agree to disagree on this
Neither of us going to change our opinions

I'm ready to move on to the The Official BCS National Championship Game™
Oklahoma v. Florida

Woof, Woof – Dawg
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rhett7660 said:
What a great game last night.... Glad to see the Longhorns pull it out. Can't stand Ohio since they are a bitter rival for my other team. Lose buckeye lose teehee....

Man, Mr. McCoy was on fire last night. 414 yards passing yikes!
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2 passing td's and 1 interception, yikes! :rolleyes:
 
gibbz said:
Also, there is this popular argument of Big 12 D sucks and SEC D is awesome.
...
So,
OU has played 8 top 25 offenses, Florida has played 1.
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But only one of those top 25 offences, (#21 TCU) is from outside of the Big 12, so at best, this proves nothing, and at worst it supports the claim that the Big 12's defense sucks.

Seriously, when 7-5 Kansas and 5-7 Kansas State are among the top offenses in college football, how can you argue that Big 12 defenses are anything but anemic?

Fortunately, it's just two more days before this all gets settled on the field. Florida: 35, Oklahoma: 17.
 
When I came in here saying I'd drink a Shiner for each score, I'm kind of disappointed nobody said, "You know dmr, that might not be such a good idea."

Ow. I'm pretty sure a cat crapped in my mouth.
 
jimothyGator said:
But only one of those top 25 offences, (#21 TCU) is from outside of the Big 12, so at best, this proves nothing, and at worst it supports the claim that the Big 12's defense sucks.

Seriously, when 7-5 Kansas and 5-7 Kansas State are among the top offenses in college football, how can you argue that Big 12 defenses are anything but anemic?

Fortunately, it's just two more days before this all gets settled on the field. Florida: 35, Oklahoma: 17.
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My point wasn't to say Big 12 defenses are great, I am saying they are skewed due to prolific offenses. Kansas and Kansas State are good teams, not good enough to beat the top teams in the league. Their record doesn't mean anything in regards to how good their offense is.

But, using your logic, let's look at the SEC hyped defenses (team record, D rank):
Florida (12-1, 4)
Georgia (10-3, 59)
Vanderbilt (7-6, 22)
South Carolina (7-6, 30)
Tennessee (5-7, 10)
Kentucky (7-6, 36)
Alabama (12-2, 7)
Mississippi (9-4, 21)
LSU (8-5, 57)
Auburn (5-7, 15)
Arkansas (5-7, 94)
Mississippi State (4-8, 60)

Seriously, when 5-7 Tennessee and 5-7 Auburn are among the top defenses in college football, how can you argue that SEC offenses are anything but anemic?

My point is that people like you say that Big 12 defense is terrible, making the offenses look good. I say it is somewhere in the middle where the Big 12 offenses are so good, that the defenses looks bad. Also, people tout the SEC defenses as being awesome making the offenses look lower than they are. I say it is somewhere in the middle where the SEC offenses are unimpressive to the point that the defenses look good. It is a circular argument and I am just saying that it is not cut and dry like you make it.

Again, OU's offense has scored a record number of points this year. Thus their opponents have had more opportunities to score than most teams. Not too mention, OU rolled a lot of teams in the first half of games, meaning people were throwing all over the field in the second half. If you look at the number of points given up per opponents' possession, OU is giving up 1.6 points/possession, Florida is giving up 1.8 points/possession. Numbers are skewed in both leagues.
 
Haha. This site made me laugh. Check it out.

http://www.myteamisbetterthanyourteam.com

By transitive logic, this site can 'prove' that Weber St. has a better team this year than the Florida Gators. Weber St. vs. Florida

For even more fun, you can pick two teams, have it prove your team's superiority, then tell the system to flip the two teams and it will prove it the other way around.

Hours of fun!

P-Worm

P.S. Just in case anyone is wondering, the system has no way to prove that a team is better than Utah this year. :cool:
 
gibbz said:
Georgia (10-3, 59)
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You just HAD to bring that up didn't you :rolleyes:
Our defense sucked most of the year and hurt us in all 3 losses
All of our coordinators were sought out for jobs...
Searels the OL coach interviewed by Auburn
Garner the Assistant Head Coach and recruiter extraordinaire by Tennessee
Martinez the Defensive Coordinator?? Crickets... nobody wants him
I don't either ;)

rhett7660 said:
Me: Oklahoma...... die gators die...
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I hate the Gators™

This game can go either way... but I am rooting for the Sooners
Will it surprise me if Florida wins and wins big? No
I have seen it happen too many times :(
But I sure hope it doesn't happen! ;)
Boomer Sooner Baby!!

Woof, Woof – Dawg
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Yeah, I hate to say it, but I think I'm pulling for the Sooners here. But it'll be a cold day in hell before anyone gets a Boomer Sooner out of me! :D
 
rhett7660 said:
This is great if you are just going to take a one year snap shot of a division. Why don't you go and take a look back say over the last 10 years and let us know what you find. I think your numbers might be a little different.
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The title of the thread is 2008/9 .... thus I am only talking in regards to this year.

Hey SLC, did you see this? Utah AG looking into antitrust violations with BCS.
 
Latest conference bowl records
The Big 10 had a tough bowl season with only Iowa getting a win

The WAC had a rough go of it too
The MWC, for all the chest bumping on the board, was just average
The Big East did surprisingly well

If Oklahoma beats the Gators, they will move ahead of the SEC

Yes, the Pac 10 went 5-0 :rolleyes:
I addressed that a few pages back

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Woof, Woof - Dawg
pawprint.gif
 
The simple fact is that Texas needed late game heroics to win a game against the Buckeyes when Beanie Wells didn't play half of the game. We absolutely FLOGGED them earlier in the season, but Beanie was out the whole game.

35-3

And they had all of their vaunted defense available as well. We made Laurinitis and Malcolm Jenkins look like high schoolers.
 
Badandy said:
The simple fact is that Texas needed late game heroics to win a game against the Buckeyes when Beanie Wells didn't play half of the game.
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Interesting that you dismissed that same logic when faced with it by PSU fans. And you guys didn't even beat Oregon State.
 
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