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2008/9 COLLEGE Football Thread

dukebound85 said:
the University of Utah isn't the one suing the bcs:cool:
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Utah Attorney General

And it is more about money than anything else :rolleyes:
Imagine that

Woof, Woof - Dawg
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I haven't read the details of the lawsuit, so I can't make a very educated comment...

But I will get behind anyone suing the BCS, because as money is the only thing the BCS Committee cares about it's nice to see someone else hit them in the pocketbook.

I say good for them. :)



....Utah got lucky..? Oh, and here I thought it was just a good ol' fashion Southern Beatdown! ..I guess I was wrong.
 
Some answers today on the 2009 Dawgs season
I would like to see them both return
I think Stafford needs another year before the NFL, he started as true freshman

Stafford, Moreno to announce NFL decisions today
By CHIP TOWERS
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Wednesday, January 07, 2009

Georgia quarterback Matthew Stafford and tailback Knowshon Moreno will reveal at a 3 p.m. press conference today their decisions whether or not to submit their names for the NFL draft by the January 15 deadline for underclassmen.

That’s according to John Stafford, Matthew’s father.

“Coach [Mark] Richt, Matthew and Knowshon I believe as well are going to have a press confererence today at 3 o’clock Eastern time,” John Stafford said as he drove from Dallas to Athens early Wednesday morning. “I’m not going to reveal what Matthew’s decision is because it’s his decision and I want him to announce it. He went through the arduous process of trying to figure it out. He’s come to grips with it. So it’s up to him to speak about it.”

Mr. Stafford said his son consulted Kansas City Chiefs scout Mike Hagen, a friend of the family, as well as neighbor Troy Aikman and current NFL quarterbacks Peyton Manning and Jay Cutler about his decision. He also talked to Richt and offensive coordinator Mike Bobo at Georgia.

Richt said earlier this week that he’d talked to both players but wasn’t trying to heavily influence their decisions.

“There’s been some of contact but, again, I don’t want to put any undo pressure on these young men,” Richt said. “I want what’s best for them. They have to figure it out for themselves what that is. All I can say is, if they stay I want their whole heart. I want them to do it because they want to do it. I want them to love the place and believe in what we’re doing, love the people and want to do great things. I want them to want to be part of a great team and a great program. I don’t want a guy who is only half-hearted.

“But I will say this: If Matthew or Knowshon come back it will be because their heart said to. I’m not worried about those guys. If they stay it’s because they love it here and they want to help us win a championship.”

Stafford set a school record with 25 passing touchdowns this past season. He threw for 3,459 yards this past season and has 7,731 yards with 51 TDs and 33 interceptions in three seasons as Georgia’s starting quarterback. He was named MVP of the Capital One Bowl last week with 250 yards and three TDs.

Moreno, a redshirt sophomore, had an even 1,400 yards rushing and 18 TDs this past season. He has 2,734 yards in two seasons as the Bulldogs’ featured tailback.
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rhett7660 said:
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That is good for both of them if they do go in to the draft. But that is going to suck for your team next year. Do you have any backups for either position?
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Caleb King and Richard Samuel are both very capable backs
And I am sure there are others waiting in the wings

Joe Cox will be the odds on favorite to start at QB

But, the true freshman kid out of Florida, Aaron Murray may push him

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obey908 said:
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This guy has no respect for Utah as a Team, Instiution, or State? Somehow I don't really feel any worse off for that, if fact I think it's better to not have folks like this on our side.

Believe me obey908, in a year where we have an undefeated season and a well supported (publicly) claim on the football National Title, an up and coming Basketball program, a whole host of other quality athletics teams, a faculty member who took a Nobel Prize this year, and a student who took a McArthur genius grant, we really don't need your support in any way shape of form.

We're doing just fine without you, and if all of our success annoys you, well I can't say I'm surprised. People generally tend to pass off frustration as annoyance.

SLC
 
MacDawg said:
Ha, Ha... you are actually watching that game??
They probably ought to address you personally by name when they make their calls!
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Gotta watch every game while we still can....after tomorrow, college football disappears for a few long agonizing months :(
 
SLC Flyfishing said:
This guy has no respect for Utah as a Team, Instiution, or State? Somehow I don't really feel any worse off for that, if fact I think it's better to not have folks like this on our side.
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:rolleyes: did you not see the smiley face after i said screw the whole state of utah? it was a joke. but you are right, i don't respect utah as an academic institution, I did respect utah's football team until they took the complaining too far. I hope your lawsuit brings a playoff
 
RamblinWreck said:
Gotta watch every game while we still can....after tomorrow, college football disappears for a few long agonizing months :(
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Sad isn't it? I don't care for the NFL, the NBA, the NHL, the MLB, or whatever. Even college basketball isn't that interesting to me until March.

Here's to another season of college football.

P-Worm
 
SLC Flyfishing said:
This guy has no respect for Utah as a Team, Instiution, or State? Somehow I don't really feel any worse off for that, if fact I think it's better to not have folks like this on our side.

Believe me obey908, in a year where we have an undefeated season and a well supported (publicly) claim on the football National Title, an up and coming Basketball program, a whole host of other quality athletics teams, a faculty member who took a Nobel Prize this year, and a student who took a McArthur genius grant, we really don't need your support in any way shape of form.

We're doing just fine without you, and if all of our success annoys you, well I can't say I'm surprised. People generally tend to pass off frustration as annoyance.

SLC
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And your point is? Other schools have had those credentials for a long time. And many of those schools aren't 'upcoming', but have been established for quite awhile.

As far as Utah and non-BCS teams in big games, I think that circumstances need to be considered.

In 2004, Utah beat the #21 ranked 8-4 Pitt team who won the Big East. Congrats on the win, but who cares? It was a mediocre win versus a mediocre team from a mediocre conference.

In 2006, Boise beat my Sooners in one hell of a game. While credit must be given for the win, the Sooners were in a lose/lose situation. They were ranked #7, not playing for the national title, against a team that had far less talent in the No One Cares Fiesta Bowl. If they win, who cares? They were expected to do so, ho-hum. If they lost, well, how does OU lose to Boise?

This year, Utah beat #4 Alabama. The same Alabama team that missed out on a national title spot after starting 12-0 because they had to play a conference title game. Alabama could care less about playing in the Sugar Bowl after the dream they had been so close to all year long had been lost in their last game. What did they have to gain? Nothing.

Firstly, proper credit must be given to those teams for winning. The teams had to do it on the field and they did. However, making the leap that based on these three wins that non-BCS schools are as talented and deserving of a national title is a stretch. All they prove is that given one month+ of preparation mixed with far greater motivation than the teams they were playing, non-BCS schools can pull off a win in a one-game opportunity.

To assume because they won a one-game matchup in these situations that Utah should be considered a national power is a bit laughable. Yes, Utah can only play the schedule they are given, but until they play a schedule comparable to the BCS schools, don't complain that Utah isn't considered for a national title. They play in a 9-team league in which 6 teams are ranked 40th or worse in offense, of which 5 are 69th or worse. 6 teams are ranked 45th or worse in defense, of which 4 are 59th or worse.

The non-conference wins came against a terrible Michigan team, Utah State, Weber State, and an 8-4 Oregon State team (please no transitive logic about OSU beating USC), none of which are that impressive. Utah was ranked 31 in schedule strength. Oklahoma, Florida, Texas, were 1, 2, 3 -- all of whom Utah wants a claim over for a national title.

Ok, so you have 2 other ranked teams. Let's look at TCU. Non-conference saw wins against Stephen F. Austin, Stanford, and Southern Methodist -- no impressive wins. Their one ranked non-conference game was then #2 OU, where they lost. Now let's look at BYU. Non-conference saw wins against Northern Iowa, Washington, UCLA, and Utah State -- no impressive wins.

To conclude, I am not dogging Utah. Congrats on the win. That win only shows that non-BCS teams can win given a month+ to prepare. However, until such schools in the MWC can prove that they could win week in and week out against ranked and competitive opponents (TCU showed they couldn't against OU this year at least), they have no ground to bitch about being screwed out of a national title. Put Utah in the Big 12, SEC, or any other BCS conference and prove that they could win week in and out. I would bet they wouldn't come close to being undefeated.
 
gibbz said:
Put Utah in the Big 12, SEC, or any other BCS conference and prove that they could win week in and out. I would bet they wouldn't come close to being undefeated.
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Well we kicked the **** out of a team that did so I don't know how you come to that conclusion. Did Bama just not show up because they weren't in the title, that seems just a little bit too convenient to your argument bro.

If bama didn't show up, screw them! That just proves even more how spoiled and pathetic BCS teams are. They can't get up to play in any game that doesn't "benefit" them. Well I can tell you that losing the Sugar Bowl in the fashion they did will be a stain on them going into next year, and they will have to work even harder to get the pollsters to give them a chance.

Utah's SOS was higher than Alabama's even though Alabama plays in the SEC, how are you going to explain that one away? Yet even though our SOS was higher, and we went undefeated, we can't be considered for the title? You'll have to explain that one to me as well, and none of this "Utah wouldn't be undefeated in the SEC or Big 12" garbage, because it's quite obvious this year that being undefeated isn't a requirement for the title if your in those conferences. If Bama had gone undefeated or even lost a game during the regular season, and merely beaten Florida they'd be playing tomorrow for the title. Yet Utah has definitively proven that they are a much stronger team AND THEY DID GO UNDEFEATED with a stronger schedule. So is the fact that they play in the Mountain West and not the Pac 10 (who the MWC owned this year by the way) the only reason that they can't be permitted to play for the title? If so then this system has to go, because that is in fact the definition of what the anti-trust act was designed to protect against. I hope this season and the lawsuit that may result removes the BCS so Utah and Boise State can finally get the title they deserve.

In the article I posted a link to a few days ago, a whole hose of harris poll voters admitted to not watching Utah play outside of the highlights on Sportscenter, and now claim that they would have ranked Utah much higher if they'd make the effort to watch them play, so we can safely assume that if there wasn't this anti mid-major bias in the media, Utah might very well be playing for the title right now, even with their "unimpressive schedule". Because even though the Harris poll folks didn't watch them, they still managed to be ranked #6.

You can dance around the fact all day my friend, but Utah was shafted. I for one hope that this season does what it takes to get rid of this ****** plan for electing a College Football National Champion. In the words of Jim Rome, could this years title game be any more insignificant after what has happened to Utah?

SLC
 
MacDawg is about to have his fears come true. Press conference today where both Stafford and Moreno are expected to announce their entrance into the NFL draft. Good day to be a Tech fan.

I think they are both entering too early though. Moreno will be put in a role similar to Reggie Bush, where I think he believes he's the next Adrian Peterson. And I'm not quite sure if Stafford is ready to play in the NFL. Another year of college football will be much more beneficial to his development compared to rushing into the NFL.
 
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