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2008 Formula One Thread

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i just watched last weeks and last nights race.
what happened to that penalty for massa at the end of the race last week?

lame race for last night.
ya masa did piss in kimi's cornflakes
 
Counterfit said:
Road Atlanta is a great track, and would be much better suited to F1 than Laguna Seca. I think the pit complex and access roads would be the only things needing major upgrades to host a GP there.

And man, is that penalty for Seb B lame.
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I wold love to see something at road atlanta. I watched the petite lemans there.
 
sangosimo said:
I wold love to see something at road atlanta. I watched the petite lemans there.
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Road Atlanta is a great track, but it doesn't have the facilities for F1. There are very few spectator stands for one and the hot pits are separate from the paddock and are nothing like what F1 requires. It can however, handle large general admission crowds (113,000 this year for Petit).

Road America is a better track, IMHO, but it has the same issues. It's also more distant from any major metro area.
 
Agree the CGP was rather boring.

Based on the issue over the CnGP, money, I don't see that being reinstituted for 2009.

I'm not a fan of a standard engine, but I don't think anything that has come out indicates it will. Also, I can understand the reasoning, although I'd like to see before and after figures as proof. In fact, the commentators on Speed this weekend were saying how odd it was that some of the cars seem to be improving even thought the freeze is supposed to be in place. Some teams appeared to have use the "for reliability" as a loophole to make improvements to the engines, hence the need to equalize the engine field. It makes sense, but I think they need to be cautious in how they handle it. However, I think it will be equally tricky next year when you add in KERS.

Also, since I've only been following for 2 seasons now I can't really comment too much on the whole "team orders" debate, but I will say this:
- I doubt Ferrari told Kimi to do something. It was probably self evident.
- I heard him let off the throtle during the on-board replay...that did annoy me.
 
robbieduncan said:
Let off the throttle? He'd spent the 5 laps previous driving slowly to give Massa a chance to catch up!
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Well I know that! However, in addition to that, you could hear the revs on Kimi's car go down when Massa went to go around him AND they were on the straight. Just seemed a little extra obvious.
 
Superman07 said:
Just seemed a little extra obvious.
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But less obvious than McLaren at Hockenheim, when both of their drivers were still in with a shot at the Championship, but I digress, ;) the issue of team orders was clarified long ago by the FIA, there really is nothing to discuss in relation to the strategy that Ferrari employed in China. ;)

Now McLaren on the other hand... ;)
 
In other news, it was announced today that an agreement on the engine normalization was agreed to. As part of that it sounds like the teams are happy with the arrangement, which honestly doesn't seem intuitive to me. Perhaps I misread something. Maybe it's the in the specifics of the agreement which isn't out yet.
 
benlangdon said:
omg screw this then.
standard engines.
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There's no agreement on that yet.

Autosport said:
The joint statement read: "Today's meeting in Geneva has produced significant cost savings for 2009 and 2010.

"FOTA are working urgently on further proposals for 2010 and thereafter."

But while the statement did not detail any specific measures, autosport.com understands that four key points were agreed:

- Engine life will be increased from two to three races from 2009

- Manufacturers must be prepared to make 25 engine units available, at a cost of 10 million Euros, to customer teams

- There will be a further meeting between FOTA members in Brazil to determine testing kilometre limits for 2009, and an agreement in principal on the introduction of a standard Kinetic Energy Recovery System (KERS) unit for 2010 or 2011. KERS is believed to remain open for teams to use next season.

- The sport's governing body and FOTA will meet again after the Brazilian Grand Prix to discuss measures to reduce costs related to chassis development and the continuation of the use of customer chassis in the future.
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I don't like the idea of a standardised engine, but I'm actually quite open to the idea of normalised engines, if the technical regulations are freed up elsewhere to allow technical innovation in other area's to improve the performance of the cars, F1 engines are by far and away the most efficient IC engines anyway and there's little to be gained by attempting to develop them further, when larger performance and efficiency gains can be found in other, more relevant area's.
 
I think we should eliminate aero aids and go back to the bullet chassis of the 60s. Of course, we'd have to slow the damn things down, but it would be great to watch them jump, and slide, and drift all over the place and really see how good the drivers are at car control. :D
 
RaceTripper said:
I think we should eliminate aero aids and go back to the bullet chassis of the 60s. Of course, we'd have to slow the damn things down, but it would be great to watch them jump, and slide, and drift all over the place and really see how good the drivers are at car control. :D
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1967 spec cars all round :D That would be awesome. Of course something might have to be done about safety: they didn't even bother with seat belts, let along harnesses back then :eek:
 
robbieduncan said:
1967 spec cars all round :D That would be awesome. Of course something might have to be done about safety: they didn't even bother with seat belts, let along harnesses back then :eek:
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No, let's put some hair on their chests. Maybe they'll stop whining and crying about soiled diapers all the time.
 
RaceTripper said:
I think we should eliminate aero aids and go back to the bullet chassis of the 60s.
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Might as well just go and watch one of the many Historics that are held every week at circuits around the world. ;)

RaceTripper said:
but it would be great to watch them jump, and slide, and drift all over the place and really see how good the drivers are at car control.
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Might as well just go and watch one of the many Rallycross events that are held every week at circuits around the world. ;)
 
iGav said:
Might as well just go and watch one of the many Historics that are held every week at circuits around the world. ;)
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As a matter of fact, we'll be at the Brian Redman historics at Road America next July (and then back for the ALMS & Speed World Challenge races a month later).
 
RaceTripper said:
As a matter of fact, we'll be at the Brian Redman historics at Road America next July (and then back for the ALMS & Speed World Challenge races a month later).
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Excellent. Though personally I 'm not really a fan of older racing cars... 1930's Auto Union's... though. :D
 
iGav said:
Excellent. Though personally I 'm not really a fan of older racing cars... 1930's Auto Union's... though. :D
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We like the new ones too. Next year we'll also be watching ALMS, etc. at the 12 Hours of Sebring, Road America, and Petit Le Mans at Road Atlanta.

Even if the USGP comes back, I'm not so sure we'll go there to see it. All the B.S. adversity, whining, and controversy in F1 has become a turn off. We'll watch it on TV, but have just about decided not to spend travel/race funds on it.
 
iGav said:
There's no agreement on that yet.



I don't like the idea of a standardised engine, but I'm actually quite open to the idea of normalised engines, if the technical regulations are freed up elsewhere to allow technical innovation in other area's to improve the performance of the cars, F1 engines are by far and away the most efficient IC engines anyway and there's little to be gained by attempting to develop them further, when larger performance and efficiency gains can be found in other, more relevant area's.
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im chill with making them more reliable and such but if they were all the same, i would shoot myself.
im down for innovation and advancement though, thats what racing is about
 
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