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2008 Formula One Thread
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Glad to see you've calmed down from earlier.
Well Massa will still be the lead Ferrari driver next year. You never know what's going to happen with the new fangled cars.
Glock and Trulli both have said they were on the wrong tyres at the end. Both their last lap times were close to each other.
Yes I would like to see the 2009 race in Spain scrapped altogether. Teach them clowns a serious lesson. There is a British MP called Miliband involved in this now.
They may not formally represent their countries, but the fans don't really care to make that distinction - and so they should not.
After all, a Formula One World Champion is always referenced by their nationality.
Sadists.
If they're going to insist on doing so much pre- and in-season testing at Barcelona, they shouldn't even bother having a race there. That's part of the reason it always has crappy races.
Glad to see you've calmed down from earlier.
Well Massa will still be the lead Ferrari driver next year. You never know what's going to happen with the new fangled cars.
Glock and Trulli both have said they were on the wrong tyres at the end. Both their last lap times were close to each other.
yeah, toyota strategy kills me....
I've hardly watched any racing this year, very glad I saw yesterdays though. Nail biting stuff, just as it should be.
Well done Lewis!!
Well done Lewis!!
I couldn't believe that McLaren and specifically Hamilton choked under pressure again...
Gutted for Massa, he won the race in the style of a champion.
Glad Ferrari won the Constructors Championship, it'd have been a bitter pill to swallow given McLaren really shouldn't have been on the grid at all this season.
Ferrari really need to tighten up the reliability and procedures though, Hungary and Singapore cost them the Drivers Championship.
Well done to Lewis.
P.S. I don't think I realised just quite how obnoxious Hamiton's dad is though.
Gutted for Massa,
he won the race in the style of a champion. Glad Ferrari won the Constructors Championship, it'd have been a bitter pill to swallow given McLaren really shouldn't have been on the grid at all this season.
Ferrari really need to tighten up the reliability and procedures though, Hungary and Singapore cost them the Drivers Championship.
Well done to Lewis.
P.S. I don't think I realised just quite how obnoxious Hamiton's dad is though.
I couldn't believe that McLaren and specifically Hamilton choked under pressure again...
Gutted for Massa,
Glad Ferrari won the Constructors Championship, it'd have been a bitter pill to swallow given McLaren really shouldn't have been on the grid at all this season.
Ferrari really need to tighten up the reliability and procedures though, Hungary and Singapore cost them the Drivers Championship.
Well done to Lewis.
P.S. I don't think I realised just quite how obnoxious Hamiton's dad is though.
yes shame McLaren were allowed to race and try to beat Ferrari, how dare they. What a boring year it would of been if McLaren had been banned.
What is wrong with Lewis's dad?
I wonder what the ratings were for yesterday's race, everyone I know was watching it. Well done Lewis, now show us some more pics of your missus!
Of course the season would've been duller without McLaren, but yes, shame McLaren were allowed to race and try to beat Ferrari, while they were still benefitting from the knowledge of not only Ferrari's operational procedures, but also their IP, that some of the elements of which... shall we say... allegedly found a way onto the 2008 McLaren.
But it doesn't matter now... justice was served in the Constructors Championship, and such is the level of changes for next season... it should be carte blanche for all.
I thought his general behaviour after the race was needlessly unpleasant and aloof, particularly his treatment of the media afterwards.
I'm pleased for Lewis, he's by far and away the best overall driver on the grid at the moment, it's just a shame he drives for such a bunch of cheats though.
I saw this over on another board, but I thought it was priceless and worth sharing.
Source: http://colunistas.ig.com.br/flaviogomes/
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... as soon as he (Button) stopped in the Closed Park (the photo, spectacular, is from Carsten Horst).
Jenson got frightened, because there were no fire extinguishers there and the firefighters were very far. He left in a hurry towards the pits and in the middle of the way found his father John Button (...) Old Button , noticing his son's despair, got in front of him and made him stop, put his hands on Jenson's shoulders and said: "Let that **** burn!"
The translation is from the other board. If you didn't see the incident there is a picture in the link above.
Source: http://colunistas.ig.com.br/flaviogomes/
Quote:
... as soon as he (Button) stopped in the Closed Park (the photo, spectacular, is from Carsten Horst).
Jenson got frightened, because there were no fire extinguishers there and the firefighters were very far. He left in a hurry towards the pits and in the middle of the way found his father John Button (...) Old Button , noticing his son's despair, got in front of him and made him stop, put his hands on Jenson's shoulders and said: "Let that **** burn!"
The translation is from the other board. If you didn't see the incident there is a picture in the link above.
Of course the season would've been duller without McLaren, but yes, shame McLaren were allowed to race and try to beat Ferrari, while they were still benefitting from the knowledge of not only Ferrari's operational procedures, but also their IP, that some of the elements of which... shall we say... allegedly found a way onto the 2008 McLaren.
But it doesn't matter now... justice was served in the Constructors Championship, and such is the level of changes for next season... it should be carte blanche for all.
I thought his general behaviour after the race was needlessly unpleasant and aloof, particularly his treatment of the media afterwards.
I'm pleased for Lewis, he's by far and away the best overall driver on the grid at the moment, it's just a shame he drives for such a bunch of cheats though.
Ferrari will probably win next years constructors championship, they have two of the best drivers in one team, were as the other teams don't really.
In terms of his Dad, I don't see a problem with what he did, it was a typical media scrum, he was just be over protective.
In terms of cheats, I will never really put any trust in FIA lawyers, but that is irrelevant and old news.
I would disagree that it is irrelevant given that McLaren were in possesion of this information during the period that they were designing the 2008 car, there are reasons why McLaren agreed to halt development on particular area's of it, all this impacted on the integrity of this seasons Constructors' Championship.
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But given the changes for next season... and that they didn't win this one either...
I'd agree that it's old news now. 
I would disagree that it is irrelevant given that McLaren were in possesion of this information during the period that they were designing the 2008 car, there are reasons why McLaren agreed to halt development on particular area's of it, all this impacted on the integrity of this seasons Constructors' Championship.
But given the changes for next season... and that they didn't win this one either...
hey does anyone know what information was given. like about what parts of the car and what Ferrari had made.
just wondering.
Of course the season would've been duller without McLaren, but yes, shame McLaren were allowed to race and try to beat Ferrari, while they were still benefitting from the knowledge of not only Ferrari's operational procedures, but also their IP, that some of the elements of which... shall we say... allegedly found a way onto the 2008 McLaren.
Funny how Renault confessed to having received the same info that McLaren got from Stephney, but this was after McLaren got done so Renault got off scott free.
Hmmmm... Oh and discounting the 9 points Massa gained from the FIA throughout the season.
Good race though. Massa deserved the race, Lewis the title, Ferrari the constructors. And to top of the balance sheet JB's car burnt, good riddance to that one!
From what I can remember Renault did not have the same information. I think an employee at Renault had data on a CD which was never used and reported to the FIA as soon as senior Renault engineers became aware of the data.
What happened at McLaren, and the more I think about it, the more I think they got off lightly, is a lot of the very senior engineers, and drivers, knew of the information and the continued to use it, even whilst the FIA investigation was going on. As soon as the senior engineers knew that Ferrari data was being used they should have gone to the FIA, they didn't and continued to use the illegal data.
Agreed, but this sort of spying goes on in all teams all the time.
Ferrari had the faster car but it broke down a lot (thankfully) whereas McLaren didn't.
Funny how Renault received the same punishment as McLaren did first time around.
Yep, they just couldn't give him enough points in Singapore and Japan could they.
AndyR said:
Of course it does, silly me. All the teams have blueprints of the other teams car, and a mole inside their main rivals, that provide a near continuous stream of information relating to not only the technical details and secrets of their rivals cars, but also information on operational procedures and race strategies etc.
Meanwhile, in other news, Renault retain Fred and the son of a 3x WDC.
And the FIA is to begin explaining the decisions of their stewards.
Although I'm quite pleased an English driver has won something, it's a shame it had to be Hamilton, who is a cocky little **** with a wanker of a dad.
And I really like Massa. But oh well.
And I really like Massa. But oh well.
Of course it does, silly me. All the teams have blueprints of the other teams car, and a mole inside their main rivals, that provide a near continuous stream of information relating to not only the technical details and secrets of their rivals cars, but also information on operational procedures and race strategies etc.
Mock all you want, its well known that teams snoop on each other and anyone that doesn't accept that is just blinkered. After the whole McLaren episode had been put to bed, Autosport ran an article with one of the engineers at Toyota and one at Red Bull, both of whom say they at previous teams have had information on others teams strategies, development etc. Even Nigel Stephney admitted in the trial that Ferrari had info on McLaren, its just that McLaren got caught first.
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