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2009-10 Football Thread The Second Half
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Hull - going for the short term bounce? I guess Mr Brown doesn't have to worry about talking to Tom Cairney.
Beckham - given he was in for his delivery, replace him with someone who can cross well - Lennon, SWP or Walcott aren't that player.
Cheers,
OW
Beckham - given he was in for his delivery, replace him with someone who can cross well - Lennon, SWP or Walcott aren't that player.
Cheers,
OW
The timing is certainly curious, coming as it does following a narrow loss against one of Europe's better sides. You'd have thought a sacking following West Ham or Everton would have been more likely. Either something has gone on behind the scenes, or this has been on the cards for a while and Brown has had a stay of execution while replacements have been sounded out.
On thing that will now be interesting to see – looking at the comments sections on message boards and newspaper sites over the last year or so, whenever a City-based story is featured there then follows several messages of abuse from supporters of various other clubs, generally of the theme of 'I aint got nuffink against Hull but I hope they go down back were they belong and stay there forever cos i hate Brown'. We'll see if now the fact that he's gone causes these types to relent in their opinions towards us a little, I'll wager not.
Replacements? If I were a gambling man my money would be on Coppell. But I'm not, so it isn't.
On thing that will now be interesting to see – looking at the comments sections on message boards and newspaper sites over the last year or so, whenever a City-based story is featured there then follows several messages of abuse from supporters of various other clubs, generally of the theme of 'I aint got nuffink against Hull but I hope they go down back were they belong and stay there forever cos i hate Brown'. We'll see if now the fact that he's gone causes these types to relent in their opinions towards us a little, I'll wager not.
Replacements? If I were a gambling man my money would be on Coppell. But I'm not, so it isn't.
XIII
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Speaking of gambling, my £5 won me £320ish on Arsenal, United, Chelsea, Spurs, Bolton to win, Villa Stoke draw and Birmingham Everton draw 😀
The Phil Brown news has been met fairly happily by a number of Arsenal fans....
I'm shocked by that. 😛
I mentioned the comments in my previous posts, a significant proportion are from Arsenal supporters as evidenced by their Goonerish monikers. In fact, it's not uncommon to see City stories that have no Arsenal relevance at all attracting far more comments from Gooners than City fans! As I say, an ill-feeling as built up over the past few fixtures so we'll see if this cools a bit following Brown's departure...
Oh, and well done with the wager too!
Under no circumstances whatsoever must Kevin Keegan be allowed anywhere near this football club.
That is all.
That is all.
pivo6
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leomac08
macrumors 68020
David Beckham is out for the 2010 world cup squad!
🙁 sad news.......our soccer superstar of the Los Angeles Galaxy is out.....
i'm not sure if i'm late.....but he tore a left achilles tendon which will knock him out for 5-8 months.🙁 while playing in serie A in a milan game.
His international career with England is over.
His career with Milan is over.
Maybe even the MLS and LA Galaxy.🙁
Very sad story.
http://www.greenwichtime.com/sports/article/Torn-Achilles-tendon-ends-Beckham-s-hopes-of-406530.php
🙁 sad news.......our soccer superstar of the Los Angeles Galaxy is out.....
i'm not sure if i'm late.....but he tore a left achilles tendon which will knock him out for 5-8 months.🙁 while playing in serie A in a milan game.
His international career with England is over.
His career with Milan is over.
Maybe even the MLS and LA Galaxy.🙁
Very sad story.
http://www.greenwichtime.com/sports/article/Torn-Achilles-tendon-ends-Beckham-s-hopes-of-406530.php
Lord Blackadder
macrumors P6
It will be strange having Hull City without Brown. The two have been synonymous during the Tigers' time in the Prem.
Oh, and all the news articles reporting the story had to find a few lines to mention "that" on-the-pitch team talk. 🙄
EDIT: Who succeeds Brown? Sky just posted a list of candidates - meaning of course, they merely put up a list of every out of work manager. 🙄 Curbishley, the Megatron and Southgate are all being talked of...as is Keegan. At least nobody mentioned Joe Kinnear. 😱
Dean Windass is 100/1 to become the new gaffer. Yes! Player/manager, leading his squad from the front! Can you see Deano being refused a handshake by Wenger? I doubt anyone would have the balls to snub the big man. 😀
Oh, and all the news articles reporting the story had to find a few lines to mention "that" on-the-pitch team talk. 🙄
EDIT: Who succeeds Brown? Sky just posted a list of candidates - meaning of course, they merely put up a list of every out of work manager. 🙄 Curbishley, the Megatron and Southgate are all being talked of...as is Keegan. At least nobody mentioned Joe Kinnear. 😱
Dean Windass is 100/1 to become the new gaffer. Yes! Player/manager, leading his squad from the front! Can you see Deano being refused a handshake by Wenger? I doubt anyone would have the balls to snub the big man. 😀
It could be worse, you could have Gary Megson emerge as one of the early favourites to replace Phil Brown.
Oops!.
😀
The subject of 'gardening leave' came up earlier – apparently it's not that uncommon in football in these situations, and usually comes into play when a compensation package has to be agreed between club and erstwhile manager.
On the identity of our new manager – Pearson was on the radio a little earlier and confirmed my suspicion that this has been brewing for a while, as replacements have already been sounded out – there's a chance he may finalise a deal with our new manager tomorrow evening and unveil him on Wednesday, worst case scenario apparently is that the new manager will be in on Thursday. There are apparently five candidates at present, Alan Curbishley is not amongst them – although I suspect talk of a shortlist is a smokescreen and Pearson knows exactly who his next manager will be. Certainly, given our financial situation we won't be looking at a manager who is currently employed.
Pearson has always been quick off the mark when appointing new managers following a sacking, so the proposed timescale isn't really surprising. I'm also in little doubt that this isn't a knee jerk reaction to the loss against Arsenal, or – as some are claiming – due to Brown having to publicly apologise to the Women's Institute. Make no mistake about it, it's been in the offing for a while and while it's certainly a massive gamble so far as Pearson is concerned it will be a carefully calculated risk.
Anyway, a lot is being said about the next Hull City manager, and this will continue in tomorrow's press, but a few words about the outgoing one. This certainly won't be a fashionable opinion amongst the legions of armchair supporters who hang off the words of the tabloid press or the inane, myopic ramblings of the TV pundits, but Phil Brown deserves praise for what he's done at Hull City. While a change is needed (and is arguably well overdue), it must be remembered that he's achieved things here that far more experienced managers could not – at the very least, he got us into the Premier League for the first time in our history when the 'experts' claimed such a feat was pure fantasy (via our first ever visit to the national stadium), and he kept us in the top flight when we were told by everyone we'd be straight back down, relieving Derby County of their unwanted low points record in the process. Make no mistake, part of the media's derision at Brown and Hull City comes from the fact that we made them eat their words so spectacularly.
Supporters of certain other clubs and members of the press may now be revelling in today's events (before realising in panic that they now have to come up with opinions on us that don't revolve around sunbeds, earpieces or on-pitch team talks), but I suspect that many other City supporters will – despite our frustrations with him – share with me a sense of gratitude towards Brown for what he's achieved at this club. Certainly, he didn't always get things right on the pitch or off it – in particular he had a tendency at times to engage his mouth before his brain, and some of his tactics and selections have bordered on the baffling – but those of us who have supported the team since before 24th May 2008 know exactly the magnitude of what he's achieved here.
And for that Phil, thanks.
On the identity of our new manager – Pearson was on the radio a little earlier and confirmed my suspicion that this has been brewing for a while, as replacements have already been sounded out – there's a chance he may finalise a deal with our new manager tomorrow evening and unveil him on Wednesday, worst case scenario apparently is that the new manager will be in on Thursday. There are apparently five candidates at present, Alan Curbishley is not amongst them – although I suspect talk of a shortlist is a smokescreen and Pearson knows exactly who his next manager will be. Certainly, given our financial situation we won't be looking at a manager who is currently employed.
Pearson has always been quick off the mark when appointing new managers following a sacking, so the proposed timescale isn't really surprising. I'm also in little doubt that this isn't a knee jerk reaction to the loss against Arsenal, or – as some are claiming – due to Brown having to publicly apologise to the Women's Institute. Make no mistake about it, it's been in the offing for a while and while it's certainly a massive gamble so far as Pearson is concerned it will be a carefully calculated risk.
Anyway, a lot is being said about the next Hull City manager, and this will continue in tomorrow's press, but a few words about the outgoing one. This certainly won't be a fashionable opinion amongst the legions of armchair supporters who hang off the words of the tabloid press or the inane, myopic ramblings of the TV pundits, but Phil Brown deserves praise for what he's done at Hull City. While a change is needed (and is arguably well overdue), it must be remembered that he's achieved things here that far more experienced managers could not – at the very least, he got us into the Premier League for the first time in our history when the 'experts' claimed such a feat was pure fantasy (via our first ever visit to the national stadium), and he kept us in the top flight when we were told by everyone we'd be straight back down, relieving Derby County of their unwanted low points record in the process. Make no mistake, part of the media's derision at Brown and Hull City comes from the fact that we made them eat their words so spectacularly.
Supporters of certain other clubs and members of the press may now be revelling in today's events (before realising in panic that they now have to come up with opinions on us that don't revolve around sunbeds, earpieces or on-pitch team talks), but I suspect that many other City supporters will – despite our frustrations with him – share with me a sense of gratitude towards Brown for what he's achieved at this club. Certainly, he didn't always get things right on the pitch or off it – in particular he had a tendency at times to engage his mouth before his brain, and some of his tactics and selections have bordered on the baffling – but those of us who have supported the team since before 24th May 2008 know exactly the magnitude of what he's achieved here.
And for that Phil, thanks.
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JC, how much of a contract did Brown have to run?
If my understanding of contract law is correct, football managers are never sacked apart from in the papers. They either get paid to the end of their fixed term contract (but are unable to work for anybody else in the meantime) or they get bought out of their contract, probably for less money but they are then free agents. OllyW said earlier that they couldn't afford to buy him out of his contract, but surely it will cost more to keep him on 'gardening leave'. I think the whole thing means it's been a snap judgment and the board haven't had a chance to talk to Brown or work out how much it's really going to cost them, so they've put him on the bench for a while.
Anyway JC, your wait will be over on Wednesday morning, and it won't be Curbishley, who seems to get linked to every vacant spot! Ooooh, I wonder if George Burley is still available!😱
I've been rather quiet of late, been busy trying to set up my own business and then out of my face on drugs, quite legally due to illness! When I woke up Rangers were 13 points clear and the fat lady was warming up stage left. The Celtic fans I've talked to seem to have given up hope and are looking to the Scottish Cup for a consolation prize.
Robbie Keane, £65k p/w plus win bonus. That'll be £65k p/w then!
(for balance I'll have a rant about Allan McGregor at a later date).
If my understanding of contract law is correct, football managers are never sacked apart from in the papers. They either get paid to the end of their fixed term contract (but are unable to work for anybody else in the meantime) or they get bought out of their contract, probably for less money but they are then free agents. OllyW said earlier that they couldn't afford to buy him out of his contract, but surely it will cost more to keep him on 'gardening leave'. I think the whole thing means it's been a snap judgment and the board haven't had a chance to talk to Brown or work out how much it's really going to cost them, so they've put him on the bench for a while.
Anyway JC, your wait will be over on Wednesday morning, and it won't be Curbishley, who seems to get linked to every vacant spot! Ooooh, I wonder if George Burley is still available!😱
I've been rather quiet of late, been busy trying to set up my own business and then out of my face on drugs, quite legally due to illness! When I woke up Rangers were 13 points clear and the fat lady was warming up stage left. The Celtic fans I've talked to seem to have given up hope and are looking to the Scottish Cup for a consolation prize.
Robbie Keane, £65k p/w plus win bonus. That'll be £65k p/w then!
(for balance I'll have a rant about Allan McGregor at a later date).
It would have expired next summer, and while his salary is the matter of some conjecture what we can be sure of is that he'll be on a fair wedge, given his close relationship with the previous Chairman.
I've heard from a source that Brown was being lined up for the axe last November, following Pearson's return – but a sudden upturn of form led to a stay of execution. In particular, Coppell was all set to take over once the axe had fallen.
While sacking Brown will cost us, relegation will cost us a lot more. I think that Pearson has considered the opinions and feels more confident that whoever he's selected offers a better chance of retaining our Premier League status than Brown. So far as Hull City is concerned Pearson's judgement has generally been sound – I hope that this is the case in this instance too.
Off watching the match while Manchester United fans and Evertonians mess about with online polls, that's where. 😛
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