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2009-10 Football Thread The Second Half
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Because there's a greater chance that a 'lesser' team would earn a place in the Champions League it's the same reason that cup competitions like the FA Cup will never carry a Champions League spot for the winners.
The Champions League is a cash cow there to generate revenue for the big clubs, UEFA and their sponsors, clubs down the pecking order aren't desirable.
On a European note, should Fulham win the Europa League there's a good chance that with FA Cup finalists Portsmouth excluded Championship-bound Burnley could qualify for next season's tournament through the Fair Play rankings. Brian Laws in Europe. Heh.
There is something to be said for that - one could argue, for example, that it would be more in the spirit of the CL for, say, the Bulgarian champions to get a CL spot than an 7th placed Premier League team.
On the other hand, It seems logical to award a Champions League nspot to the Europa Cup winners.
Brian Laws in Europe. Heh.
That's like Steve McLaren in Europe...oh, wait....
My eyes rolled but I'm not in the conspiracy camp. Goats are being sacrificed, though I doubt even this will stop Chelsea. A better match-up today would have been: Liverpool v Manchester United, and Sunderland v Chelsea; the former pair being poor.
Tottenham win their last two games and Arsenal lose their remaining games ...
Cheers,
OW
I don't like the way the goal was conceded to Chelsea but I can't believe Gerrard would ever intentionally let Chelsea score.
Unhappy with the result, but I can't say I'm sorry to see United's title hopes dimmed either. I just want this horrible season to end.
Fulham with another good performance. One wonders just how much farther in the league they might have gone had they not had the injuries earlier in the season.
Unhappy with the result, but I can't say I'm sorry to see United's title hopes dimmed either. I just want this horrible season to end.
Fulham with another good performance. One wonders just how much farther in the league they might have gone had they not had the injuries earlier in the season.
Frustrating. Still stuck in a WiFi-free zone just north of the North York Moors. It's like going back in time. To 1997!
Well that's the footie in Scotland pretty much wrapped up, apparently Lyon did us a favour by loosing which reduced their UEFA coefficient just enough to allow Rangers to avoid an embarrassing pre-group stage elimination.
Jaffa, any chance of an evening invite? I carefully planned my wedding to take place during Japan 2002 as there was absolutely no chance of a distraction from any Scottish influence! Unfortunately England beat Paraguay that morning, ruined the whole bloody day.
Well that's the footie in Scotland pretty much wrapped up, apparently Lyon did us a favour by loosing which reduced their UEFA coefficient just enough to allow Rangers to avoid an embarrassing pre-group stage elimination.
Jaffa, any chance of an evening invite?
I carefully planned my wedding to take place during Japan 2002 as there was absolutely no chance of a distraction from any Scottish influence! Unfortunately England beat Paraguay that morning, ruined the whole bloody day.
Went to Wigan. Had a pint. Sang some songs. Had a very nice pie. Sang some more songs. Saw two of our kids score in their first start for the club. Sang some more songs. Got relegated. Had a little dance. It was ace.
They can shove their Premier League up their arses.
They can shove their Premier League up their arses.
Condolences Jaffa...it's been a tough season for your boys. I blame it on Brown getting rid of Dean Windass. Oh, and the half-time team talk, of course. Do you think they will hang on to Bullard? He seems to want to stay but he's on big wages.
Looks like 34 points was the magic number for West Ham, seems like a pretty low total for a club to survive on. But apart from Fulham in Europe, the Premier League (self proclaimed best league in the world) looked a bit flat from top to bottom this season. The best word I would use to describle the league campaign is "attritional".
A bunch of you may have seen this, but this failed attempt at a tap-in by Kei Kamara for Kansas City has to be the worst I've ever seen. Great - first time that any of the Euros have anything to say about MLS this season, and it's for a shocking miss.
Columbus managed a credible 1-1 come from behind draw in Seattle against our former gaffer. At 2-0-2 we are starting our league campaign much better than least season. Lets see if we can win the Supporter's Shield three years running and continue to ask the question: Why does the best record in the MLS not earn you the league title?
Do you think they will hang on to Bullard? He seems to want to stay but he's on big wages.Looks like 34 points was the magic number for West Ham, seems like a pretty low total for a club to survive on. But apart from Fulham in Europe, the Premier League (self proclaimed best league in the world) looked a bit flat from top to bottom this season. The best word I would use to describle the league campaign is "attritional".
A bunch of you may have seen this, but this failed attempt at a tap-in by Kei Kamara for Kansas City has to be the worst I've ever seen. Great - first time that any of the Euros have anything to say about MLS this season, and it's for a shocking miss.
Columbus managed a credible 1-1 come from behind draw in Seattle against our former gaffer. At 2-0-2 we are starting our league campaign much better than least season. Lets see if we can win the Supporter's Shield three years running and continue to ask the question: Why does the best record in the MLS not earn you the league title?
Newcastle are reckoned to be sniffing around, ship him out I say and rebuild the team around the youngsters and those of the more experienced ones who actually seem to give a damn.
Oh, and I forgot to mention in my itinerary earlier – I said hello to Sven-Göran Eriksson outside the ground. I assume that he was there to have a look at an Ivory Coast lad who plays for Wigan, either that or he's not had a go with a Wigan lady yet...
No, next season the Championship is going to be eight different kinds of ace. In fact, it could only be improved upon if the Wendies were present.
Heheh, sure it wasn't this guy Jaffa?
Sounds like the best way to rebuild would be to build around a younger team. I'd keep Steven Hunt, I think he's a key player who works hard, but Bullard turned out to be a failed gamble I think due to the injuries. I'm disappointed in Jozy's performances there, I was hoping for more from him as I'm sure Hull City fans were. Two European goals out of 34 appearances between Villareal, Hull City and Xerez...but he's still young. Interested to see how his World Cup goes, we are going to rely on him as part of our attack.
Sounds like the best way to rebuild would be to build around a younger team. I'd keep Steven Hunt, I think he's a key player who works hard, but Bullard turned out to be a failed gamble I think due to the injuries. I'm disappointed in Jozy's performances there, I was hoping for more from him as I'm sure Hull City fans were. Two European goals out of 34 appearances between Villareal, Hull City and Xerez...but he's still young. Interested to see how his World Cup goes, we are going to rely on him as part of our attack.
Eh... are we ever going to get that one point.???
We-must-stay-ahead-of-Spurs!
I'm going to our last game @ home against Fulham. Oh well... Maybe, it is worth it to have something to play for on May 9th...
We-must-stay-ahead-of-Spurs!
I'm going to our last game @ home against Fulham. Oh well... Maybe, it is worth it to have something to play for on May 9th...
Heh, no – it was outside the main reception and he was being ushered in by Wigan suits. I know his face well enough, the git didn't call me up to the England team once during his tenure. Pah.
Hunt is a highly saleable asset, more than arguably our key one – as much as I'd like him to stay I can't see it happening. At best, his injury may prevent him moving in the summer and we'll be able to hang onto him until January. But we'll see.
I like Jozy, and he has useful attributes, but he's still incredibly raw. Granted, we weren't providing him with a lot of service but his goalscoring sharpness needs work. His temperament too is something he needs to watch – he's picked up a few yellow cards doing stuff like throwing the ball away and talking back to referees, and of course there was his red card against Sunderland.
I confidently predict that he's going to score against England now that I've said all that.
I suppose if the club is really hit by financial difficulties, they'll have no choice but to sell everyone who's valuable. I liked watching Hunt on the pitch though, he was everywhere at once. Expensive, injured/injury-prone players are a big burden for a club trying to sort out the books though.
I like Jozy, and he has useful attributes, but he's still incredibly raw. Granted, we weren't providing him with a lot of service but his goalscoring sharpness needs work. His temperament too is something he needs to watch – he's picked up a few yellow cards doing stuff like throwing the ball away and talking back to referees, and of course there was his red card against Sunderland.
I confident predict that he's going to score against England now that I've said all that.
I think Altidore will get better service with USA, with the likes of Landon Donovan, Clint Dempsey, Michael Bradley and others in the midfield. But he's still very much a work in progress. The upshot is that he will probably be good for 2-3 more World Cups, so this tournament will give him valuable experience. He has the physical tools, but he needs to develop a head for the game.
I do hope we score against England. We play a similar style to the English, so it will be interesting to see how the tactics work out. It won't be Arsenal vs Barcelona in terms of technical play, that's for sure....
Because there's a greater chance that a 'lesser' team would earn a place in the Champions League it's the same reason that cup competitions like the FA Cup will never carry a Champions League spot for the winners.
The Champions League is a cash cow there to generate revenue for the big clubs, UEFA and their sponsors, clubs down the pecking order aren't desirable.
On a European note, should Fulham win the Europa League there's a good chance that with FA Cup finalists Portsmouth excluded Championship-bound Burnley could qualify for next season's tournament through the Fair Play rankings. Brian Laws in Europe. Heh.
Not for long. If that was the case, the medium-big team would see as their best chance to get into the CL.
I think the tournament would greatly improve.
it should only be a pass to the quali though, so they still should show they belong by qualifying to the group stage. what is the format with the CL holders now? do they get an automatic berth? qualifying spot?
I can't say I'm sorry to see big four clubs knocked off their perch, even though I support one of them. So much of the rules favor the big boys, and they run through cash like it grows on trees.
The downside is that the challengers to break into the top (Man City, Spurs) are just as reckless in the running of their club. It's not sustainable.
The downside is that the challengers to break into the top (Man City, Spurs) are just as reckless in the running of their club. It's not sustainable.
Meanwhile, Ladies football... Everton defeated Arsenal in the Women's FA Cup Final this afternoon, and the winning goal was scored by none other than Natasha Dowie niece of City's hideously deformed Temporary Doer Of Stuff Iain Dowie.
Sign her up, Dowie.
Sign her up, Dowie.
Eh... are we ever going to get that one point.???
We-must-stay-ahead-of-Spurs!
I'm going to our last game @ home against Fulham. Oh well... Maybe, it is worth it to have something to play for on May 9th...
So am I, might be around for a drink if you fancy it? Not totally sure yet, I might also be in a bit of a rush - meeting a friend at the airport who after 8 months travelling wants to come straight back for the football! I'll send you a PM later this week.
I heard absolutely classic Arsenal, well done Ladies. Dominated them all of extra time but managed to concede and lose against the run of play. The men would be proud.
Don't take this the wrong way Jaffa, but I'm thinking maybe it would be better if Hull doesn't get the bounce back promition to the Premiership. With the current financial state of the club, perhaps it's best to save throwing the money away trying to get straight back up (a la Leeds?) and like you said build a long term, cheap, young squad.
It's 10 hours since my last post so too late to justify an edit.
Watched the Old Firm tonight at hotel in Middlesbrough center, very unusual to have one midweek. (thanks to the residents who let me turn off their 20/20 cricket!) Usual wild tackles, three goals in first half, none in second half yet the second half had the better football!
Now I'm sure you'll know I'm a bit biased, but Aiden McGeady is a very, very bad man, and hopefully somebody will post on YaTube! his rediculous dive at the end which resulted in Lee McCulloch getting sent off. I don't like the former.
Anyway I vowed at the start that the match didn't mean anything, unless we won!
His Lordship will be pleased to know that Mo Edu put in another good performance, worked very well with Kenny Miller up front.
Watched the Old Firm tonight at hotel in Middlesbrough center, very unusual to have one midweek. (thanks to the residents who let me turn off their 20/20 cricket!) Usual wild tackles, three goals in first half, none in second half yet the second half had the better football!
Now I'm sure you'll know I'm a bit biased, but Aiden McGeady is a very, very bad man, and hopefully somebody will post on YaTube! his rediculous dive at the end which resulted in Lee McCulloch getting sent off. I don't like the former.
Anyway I vowed at the start that the match didn't mean anything, unless we won!
His Lordship will be pleased to know that Mo Edu put in another good performance, worked very well with Kenny Miller up front.
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