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2009 Formula One Thread

Well Peter and Mario must be wiping the sweat from their brows. With Toyota out, Sauber's provisional entry is now looking better.

As for who can be the new F1 tire supplier, how about Hoosier? 😛
 
CWallace said:
Well Peter and Mario must be wiping the sweat from their brows. With Toyota out, Sauber's provisional entry is now official.

As for who can be the new F1 tire supplier, how about Hoosier? 😛
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Is it official? Toyota signed the Concorde Agreement, BMW did not. Toyota could potentially sell the team, thus keeping those spots on the grid, and keeping Sauber off.
 
Why would they carry on - they're just thrashing around for the occasional points, making themselves, and their brand, look bad and spending a huge amount of money in the process.

They should go back to supplying engines like they did in the '90s - when they could take credit when it went well, and say "nothing to do with us" when it went badly.

Sell the team to Prodrive, keep the engine side going in France.
 
RaceTripper said:
Is it official? Toyota signed the Concorde Agreement, BMW did not. Toyota could potentially sell the team, thus keeping those spots on the grid, and keeping Sauber off.
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Not official in the dictionary sense, so I should have put quotes around it. I will edit my comment.

Also, USA Today is reporting that the FIA is seeking a legal review of Toyota's decision to withdraw since they are a signatory to the Concorde Agreement which did commit them to competing in Formula One through 2012.

I wonder if this will influence Renault's Board?
 
CWallace said:
Not official in the dictionary sense, so I should have put quotes around it. I will edit my comment.

Also, USA Today is reporting that the FIA is seeking a legal review of Toyota's decision to withdraw since they are a signatory to the Concorde Agreement which did commit them to competing in Formula One through 2012.

I wonder if this will influence Renault's Board?
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As if the FIA is going to sue the Toyota corporation., and/or Renault. 🙄 🙂
 
The FIA's Statement:
The announcements this week by Toyota and Bridgestone of their withdrawal from Formula One are of concern to the FIA. Bridgestone has given almost 18 months' notice of its intentions, thereby allowing the necessary arrangements to be made for the future supply of tyres to the championship. Toyota's decision, however, comes just weeks after its F1 team signed the new Concorde Agreement until 2012.

'Urgent clarification is now being sought from the Toyota F1 team as to its legal position in relation to the championship. This will have a direct bearing on the admission of any future 13th entry.

'The FIA has repeatedly warned that motorsport cannot outpace the world economic crisis. That is why the competing teams have been asked to cut costs and the entry of independent teams has been encouraged. The FIA accepted the cost-reduction measures put forward by the teams on the basis that they would ensure a long-term commitment to the championship. Toyota's announcement demonstrates the importance of the original cost-reduction measures set out by the FIA.

'The FIA will now work to ensure that Toyota's departure is managed in the best interests of the championship, and will continue to encourage the F1 teams to undertake the necessary cost-cutting measures for the good of the sport.'
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bartelby said:
The FIA's Statement:
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I wonder whether this is the FIA wondering whether there has been a degree of collusion between John Howett and Toyota. If Toyota thought they'd sign up to the Concorde agreement and then sell it if they didn't want the space of give it to a hypothetical "Howett GP" then I guess that could be seen as going against the spirit of the agreement. BMW didn't sign it and therefore Qadbak aren't entitled to the space; Toyota did, and it remains to be seen whether the FIA decides that that spot was for Toyota only.
 
robbieduncan said:
I thought Ferrari's odd Agatha Christie themed statement was amusing. And odd.

Edit to add: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8344166.stm
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Odd I would agree with. Agatha Christie? How Italian is that?😕 The year for Ferrari appears to be them blaming other people for their woes - it is clear that the manufacturers are pulling out because it's too expensive a sport to be in the midfield, and with so many competitors one of them had to be in the midfield!

Both Renault and Ferrari will have to ensure that as many teams as possible use their engines - Mercedes have stolen a march on them both by selling their stuff to Force India and Brawn and offering it to others.
 
RaceTripper said:
As if the FIA is going to sue the Toyota corporation., and/or Renault. 🙄 🙂
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I agree. If anything it might be used as more leverage against FOTA's resistance to the full spectrum of the FIA's cost-cutting measures.


MOFS said:
I wonder whether this is the FIA wondering whether there has been a degree of collusion between John Howett and Toyota. If Toyota thought they'd sign up to the Concorde agreement and then sell it if they didn't want the space of give it to a hypothetical "Howett GP" then I guess that could be seen as going against the spirit of the agreement. BMW didn't sign it and therefore Qadbak aren't entitled to the space; Toyota did, and it remains to be seen whether the FIA decides that that spot was for Toyota only.
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But Honda was a signatory to the Concorde Agreement that was in force this year when they left in 2008, so they were in the same "breach" condition as Toyota is. And yet when Brawn GP was formed in the aftermath, it was automatically granted a spot on the 2009 grid, effectively taking over Honda's spot.

And the issue with BMW and Qadbak is because BMW didn't sign the 2012 extension, they are not automatically granted a slot. If they had, there would be no argument and the FIA would have only accepted three new teams, as opposed to four.

So if Howett or some other group acquires the assets of the Toyota team, they should automatically be accepted as a team for the 2010-2012 seasons.
 
CWallace said:
But Honda was a signatory to the Concorde Agreement that was in force this year when they left in 2008, so they were in the same "breach" condition as Toyota is. And yet when Brawn GP was formed in the aftermath, it was automatically granted a spot on the 2009 grid, effectively taking over Honda's spot.

And the issue with BMW and Qadbak is because BMW didn't sign the 2012 extension, they are not automatically granted a slot. If they had, there would be no argument and the FIA would have only accepted three new teams, as opposed to four.

So if Howett or some other group acquires the assets of the Toyota team, they should automatically be accepted as a team for the 2010-2012 seasons.
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IMHO the difference is that at the time there were no teams to take over from Honda - we'd have been left with 18 cars on the grid. There was a financial incentive to sign the Concorde agreement because of the competition for the grid spots. I don't think this decision has been made suddenly by Toyota. Renault, however, have signed drivers and sponsors.
 
wow i just watched build it bigger, abu Dhabi.
wow, this is what they are spending our money on?🙄

that hotel is pretty nuts, but that circular building was 😕
 
JB and his manager paid a visit to the McLaren Technology Center yesterday. His manager noted that the most important thing is to find a competitive car for 2010, but McLaren could certainly meet JB's salary demands.

Martin Brundle noted that Mercedes is selling their stake in McLaren to buy a majority stake in Brawn and turn them into the official works team, so I suppose that throws a joker in the deck. McLaren found strong form in the second half of the season, but losing the support of Mercedes can't exactly be a good thing...
 
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