That would be great! but I'd say the probability of that happening is 1%
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2010/2012 cMPs with certain graphics cards will run macOS 10.14 Mojave
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That would be great! but I'd say the probability of that happening is 1%
The GTX 970 in my 2012 Mac Pro shows Metal as supported in System Info. Hopefully that means some more recent Nvidia cards would work as well.
970 should be supported.
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I think the K5000 is also officially supported.
I think the chances are actually a lot higher than that. I really can't see Apple issuing a recommendation for cMP users to buy a card that won't allow for FileVault, Recovery, etc. It's one thing for users to buy those cards on their own without Apple's blessing. But if Apple is actually going to recommend card(s) cMP 5,1 users to buy I think there is a strong chance they will figure out a way for those cards to be usable in the EFI environment.
I could be wrong of course, but their wording "recommended Metalcapable GPU" gives me hope. I just can't see Apple recommending something that provides for a neutered experience on their Pro-level desktop (or any of their devices really).
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I hope you are right. I love the optimism. I don't quite have your faith, but man I hope you are right. I'll get one if it's faster and officially supported.
I hope you are right. I love the optimism. I don't quite have your faith, but man I hope you are right. I'll get one if it's faster and officially supported.
I tried to download 10.14 Mojave Beta using my 2010 5,1 cMP and got the message below.... Wouldn't even let me download the file.
Moved to a 2015 iMac and it downloaded without any problem...
Moved to a 2015 iMac and it downloaded without any problem...
Because the 5,1 is not supported yet.
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I am totally on the other side. Apple sell nothing for cMP users quite a few years already. 10.14 support some properly upgrade cMP, doesn't mean that they need to sell you anything now to allow you upgrade to that standard.
Since there are al least three cards that officially can meet the requirement. "Do you have the proper card?" is the users matter, not Apple's problem. If you want 10.14, and your hardware doesn't support it, then you should by a new Mac (this is Apple's logic).
At this moment, I still believe the 5770 / 5870 can work in 10.14 even no METAL support. No cMP in stock config can run the so call officially supported 10.14 natively is a very ridiculous situation.
I believe a new firmware is on the way, which is the reason of the delay. But I also believe that's just for something like APFS support bug fix. Nothing to do with GOP UEFI or NVMe.
Ahhhh.... I see. Thanks.
[doublepost=1528157143][/doublepost]So... Just for information. I tried to install to a blank M2 SSD on my 5,1 cMP. It first said I had to do a firmware update. So I did and it installed MP51.0087.B00. Same as 10.13.5. I had 10.13.5 installed but I skipped the firmware update.
The install let me go that far but when it asked where I wanted to install ALL disks were greyed out and if you click on any disk it gives you this message. Oh well at least I upgraded my firmware. Not sure if that's a good thing though.
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Why do you believe 5770 and 5870 will work even if they don't support Metal?
Edit: Also, an EFI-capable GFX card is required for firmware updates. Why would apple recommend users to purchase a card that would then prevent them from receiving future updates?
Like I said, I think there is a big difference between Apple tolerating people using cards that aren't officially supported vs. Apple actually recommending (and supporting?) a card in order to install and use its new OS.
Apple says No
I say Yes
(I had a quick look at the GPU drivers everything pre-metal has been purged, interesting NVIDIA fermi drivers are still there so does Fermi actually support metal? i Remember that being a bit debated "back in the day" no NVIDIA drivers newer then kepler tho sadly)
I say Yes
(I had a quick look at the GPU drivers everything pre-metal has been purged, interesting NVIDIA fermi drivers are still there so does Fermi actually support metal? i Remember that being a bit debated "back in the day" no NVIDIA drivers newer then kepler tho sadly)
Apple says No
I say Yes
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(I had a quick look at the GPU drivers everything pre-metal has been purged, interesting NVIDIA fermi drivers are still there so does Fermi actually support metal? i Remember that being a bit debated "back in the day" no NVIDIA drivers newer then kepler tho sadly)
That is WAY cool !
Apple says No
I say Yes
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(I had a quick look at the GPU drivers everything pre-metal has been purged, interesting NVIDIA fermi drivers are still there so does Fermi actually support metal? i Remember that being a bit debated "back in the day" no NVIDIA drivers newer then kepler tho sadly)
Since you had a look-see, can you tell us if 5770 OR 5870 will work?
I’m guessing these are considered PreMetal and won’t work, but conformation would be nice.
Also, let us in on any special information that allowed you to install.
Yeah, yet another way for Apple to show how they don’t care about the pros [/s].
Looks like the 5870 I bought a few months ago is not gonna be supported, then? Bummer
Don't know if it is of any relevance to this, but on the Windows side Nvidia included, later on, Vulkan support for Fermi cards as well. On the lanch it was Kepler and up only (HD 7730 and better/newer on the AMD side).
"Also, let us in on any special information that allowed you to install.?"
I would love to know that also....
I have several GPU's available including Kepler. GTX 680 4gb with EFI flashed.
I would love to know that also....
I have several GPU's available including Kepler. GTX 680 4gb with EFI flashed.
I think there is a rather large assumption that Apple is going to enable generic off-the-shelf cards as the blessed ones. There is a decent chance Apple may simple tag some "designed for Mac" GPU cards for Mac Pro 2010 and eGPU.
The current eGPU constraints have a limitation of "... Also note that macOS High Sierra 10.13.4 doesn't support eGPUs in Windows using Boot Camp or when your Mac is in macOS Recovery or installing system updates. " ( https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208544 ). There may be a path where the market of eGPU+older Mac Pro + newer Mac Pro expands large enough a 3rd party vendor may show up with a GPU that works across all three of those and Apple sells it directly through the Apple store ( exclusively as Apple blessed. ). Some card(s) that did work a bit better in eGPU mode with boot camp and recovery may uncork the Mac Pro 2010.
Even if there is a firmware tweak it probably would only be toward some subset of those on the official eGPU short list. If Apple has completely screw up the next Mac Pro ( so something like late 2019) then perhaps there would be a substantive firmware upgrade for Mac Pro 2010, but the MP 2010 was due to be put on the Vintage/Obsolete list this Fall. Given Apple won't have a pragmatic replacement in 2018 it probably got a reprieve, but that's probably one reason why it isn't ready for the initial beta. By Fall 2019 this is extremely likely this will be on the Vintage/Obsolete list.
I think the expectations are probably being miss-set that Apple is doing some widely robust UEFI/GOP model which will uncork a broad array of off-the-shelf cards. That is very substantive work for a machine on the razor edge of falling into Vintage/Obsolete status.
I would actually say there is a decent chance Apple is going to offer a Mac edition card, or a firmware update that enables something, which is pretty shocking.
I wouldn't bet the farm on it. But it seems like a reasonable guess they're cooking up something which is why this seed doesn't support the Mac Pro 2010. It's not a huge chance, but I wouldn't put it at zero anymore either.
I wouldn't bet the farm on it. But it seems like a reasonable guess they're cooking up something which is why this seed doesn't support the Mac Pro 2010. It's not a huge chance, but I wouldn't put it at zero anymore either.
It is very interesting Apple is releasing software for a Mac that doesn't work on it as originally built and requires hardware that hasn't been sold by them. I agree that they are cooking up something special.
My cMP 5,1 with an MVC flashed GYX 1080 shows "Metal: Supported, feature set macOS GPUFamily1 v3" in the System Report. I'm assuming this will work when Mojave is released.
https://developer.apple.com/documentation/metal/mtlfeatureset/macos_gpufamily1_v3
Lou
https://developer.apple.com/documentation/metal/mtlfeatureset/macos_gpufamily1_v3
Lou
Hopefully Apple releases a Mac edition RX580 which will provide an opportunity for the hacking community to modify the firmware to work on to newer cards for years to come.
I've been searching a bit on the forum, but can't find a concrete answer.
Would something like a GT 1030 give Metal for a Mac Pro 5.1? I'm running a Mac HD5870 currently and would like to upgrade to Mojave.
I'm just a developer, not needing massive GPU power, so I thought of getting a GT 1030 for cheap to at least get Mojave.
Would something like a GT 1030 give Metal for a Mac Pro 5.1? I'm running a Mac HD5870 currently and would like to upgrade to Mojave.
I'm just a developer, not needing massive GPU power, so I thought of getting a GT 1030 for cheap to at least get Mojave.
I suppose for the price of GT 1030 I can just add a bit more and get a 4GB RX 560? Should have better "native" compatibility?
Much much better IMO. However, the RX560 also not necessary has proper driver support.