thanks! and how did you get passed the following? tempering a file for check i imagine?
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2010/2012 cMPs with certain graphics cards will run macOS 10.14 Mojave
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thanks! and how did you get passed the following? tempering a file for check i imagine?
Can I ask what it is that we consider to be an issue with this firmware? Are you just referring to the missing microcode or is there something else?
Just the missing microcode
as iv said before, its not just missing the spectre patched ones but its missing ALL microcodes it contains none at all
which means the CPU is running completely un-patched of any bugs or errata and who knows what issues that might cause.
hence why I dont recommend installing it
@LightBulbFun i've seen in the installer log it checks the ROM version, so i assume it end up saying "wrong mac" but how did you tampered this? is there an easy way
the Mac Pro 5,1 is actually in the "not supported macs" lists
what I did was install Mojave onto a partition on my MBP9,1 then replace the "PlatformSupport.plist" in /S/L/CoreServices with the one from HiSi (and in the prebooter volume if APFS) then stuck the MBP into TDM, which got it booting on my Mac Pro 5,1
its worth noting that it seems like several apps and bits n bobs of Mojave beta 1 seemed to have been compiled with AVX in mind from what I have been told, so fall over/crash when it cant find those AVX instructions as the MP5,1 CPUs do not support AVX, (For example the iOS ported apps dont display properly) this is probably why Apple is saying MP5,1 support is coming at a later date
Not the lists I've seen. I've read Mojave will be compatible for 5,1s that have been updated with a Metal capable GPU.
In fact, that's what this thread has all about.
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Can't get it work yet.
I can make a clean Windows 10 installation in both legacy mode and EFI mode. Bootcamp driver package can also be installed. However, for unknown reason, can't install the driver for 1080Ti. It keep saying something like "this version of OS is not supported", but I am 100% sure I downloaded the correct Window 10 64bit driver. And I tried few different version. Same result.
If I install Windows in EFI mode, leave the 1080Ti as a standard VGA adaptor (however, still nothing can display from it, which doesn't looks right), and install the Windows creator update, the cMP will not able to boot to desktop again.
Not sure if it's because my GT120 is co-exist in the cMP. I may remove it and try again later. Or it's really because Gulftown + this microcode causing the issue.
For testing purpose. I may reflash the 0087 back in and check what will happen when I go through a clean Win 10 EFI installation.
Anyway, with that broken Windows 10. That software said I am NOT protected from both Meltdown and Spectre.
Update 1: unmodded 0087 firmware shows exactly the same behaviour. Can install EFI Windows 10 Pro x64, can install Bootcamp driver package, Wifi ac / BT 4.0 can work. But can’t install Nvidia driver for the 1080Ti. Same “not compatible” warning. So, it must be something else but not microcode related.
Really no idea what’s changed. Same hardware, same SSD, same port, same Windows installation disc, same firmware... but can make the 1080Ti working in Windows in both Legacy and EFI mode (MacOS is fine).
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Not for this DP, however. It moves into the supported list with later betas.
I have a simple question:
Is it consensus that Apple will never fully support (w/ boot screen, firmware update, etc) the newest GPUs for the 2010/12 cMP? Should I rush to get a cheap Metal capable EFI card now just for updating firmware? Maybe a miracle will happen and Apple will give us boot screen with new AMD cards and we will never have to physically switch cards again to install software updates.
Is it consensus that Apple will never fully support (w/ boot screen, firmware update, etc) the newest GPUs for the 2010/12 cMP? Should I rush to get a cheap Metal capable EFI card now just for updating firmware? Maybe a miracle will happen and Apple will give us boot screen with new AMD cards and we will never have to physically switch cards again to install software updates.
I don't think there is any consensus right now.
If you do not have an EFI card at all, then yes I’d recommend to get one.
If you have an EFI card already that just isn’t metal capable, wait until there is further news/info... unless you want to spend money now.
If you have an EFI card already that just isn’t metal capable, wait until there is further news/info... unless you want to spend money now.
No one knows. But I understand where the people who think Apple will do the bare minimum are coming from. Apple has spent the last five years treating the cMP like an unwanted child. Ever since the trashcan became the apple of its eye Apple hasn't really devoted much in the way of resources to the cheese grater. Of course it still runs their newest OS (because it's still within the window of time that they usually support it in new OS releases), but they never worked with GPU manufacturers to get updated "Mac Edition" cards on the market (not to mention updated WiFi/BT cards, USB 3 cards, etc.), never added NVMe booting (which they did add to other supported Macs), or fixed bugs like the PCIe fan issue. It's like a houseguest they're tolerating having around but really just want to leave.
So I'm probably in the minority who thinks they will throw us a bone with this GPU thing. The only thing that makes me think that is I don't think they would recommend users replace their GPU with one that cannot allow firmware updates, can't allow use of the Recovery partition and can't really allow users to use FileVault or Boot Camp. It's one thing for them to sit back while users figure out alternatives, but if they are going to officially support 2012 users I just thing it would be very hokey and un-Apple-like for them to say "go to eBay and buy this old Sapphire 9750".
Even if they don't provide an EFI solution, I hope they will at the very least build in drivers for the Metal-capable NVIDIA cards. That would at least allow for many more choices (and for cards that are currently in production and widely available). As someone who's dealt with the NVIDIA Web Driver dance for a couple of years now, I don't wish it on anybody. It sucks.
So there's not going to be strict consensus on this (and even if there is it's just a bunch of guesses). If I were in your shoes I would simply wait until Apple hands out whatever scraps they're going to give us
Apple hasn't really devoted much in the way of resources to the cheese grater. Of course it still runs their newest OS (because it's still within the window of time that they usually support it in new OS releases), but they never worked with GPU manufacturers to get updated "Mac Edition" cards on the market (not to mention updated WiFi/BT cards, USB 3 cards, etc.), never added NVMe booting (which they did add to other supported Macs), or fixed bugs like the PCIe fan issue. It's like a houseguest they're tolerating having around but really just want to leave.So I'm probably in the minority who thinks they will throw us a bone with this GPU thing. The only thing that makes me think that is I don't think they would recommend users replace their GPU with one that cannot allow firmware updates, can't allow use of the Recovery partition and can't really allow users to use FileVault or Boot Camp. It's one thing for them to sit back while users figure out alternatives, but if they are going to officially support 2012 users I just thing it would be very hokey and un-Apple-like for them to say "go to eBay and buy this old Sapphire 9750".
Even if they don't provide an EFI solution, I hope they will at the very least build in drivers for the Metal-capable NVIDIA cards. That would at least allow for many more choices (and for cards that are currently in production and widely available). As someone who's dealt with the NVIDIA Web Driver dance for a couple of years now, I don't wish it on anybody. It sucks.
So there's not going to be strict consensus on this (and even if there is it's just a bunch of guesses). If I were in your shoes I would simply wait until Apple hands out whatever scraps they're going to give us
there is something i’d like to know. how do people at macvideocards make latest pascal nvidia working at boot menu? there is definitely no apple driver for these and even less mac editions, unlike amd wich is being supported on the driver side. so how the hell they do that?
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They're adding a compatibility layer to the GPU's firmware, which allows the Mac Pro's EFI 1.1 implementation to talk to the UEFI 2.0 GOP video driver on recent GPUs.
I'm sure the same functionality could be added to the Mac Pro's bootrom, enabling boot screens on virtually any UEFI compliant graphics cards. This hack would be difficult to sell though, so I doubt MVC/netkas will provide it.
im not talking about the list Apple has on their websites
im talking about the list inside the installer
right now in Beta 1 the 5,1 is treated as a completely unsupported computer just like how say a Mac Pro 3,1 is.
im not talking about the list Apple has on their websites
im talking about the list inside the installer
right now in Beta 1 the 5,1 is treated as a completely unsupported computer just like how say a Mac Pro 3,1 is.
Unrelated question: On your Mojave cMP5,1, Finder works? Always restarting here…
yeah on my 5,1 its worked fine (there where just a couple graphical glitches here n there)
but iv read everyone else seems to be having finder issues...
im curious does it only happen with your GTX 680 Mac Pro or does it also happen with your HD 7870 machine?
Weird, installed the HD7870 on the same Mac Pro, same restarting Finder - never opens.
On thing, Metal support string changes between AMD and Nvidia cards.
Windows being Windows... tell me something new
I would remove the GT 120, its probably causing most of the issues (I know for fact that it does not work properly in EFI mode and will BSOD windows the moment the drivers kick in, any Tesla based Card will bring down windows in EFI mode)
also what happens if you download the latest 1803 ISO from MS and use that to install windows 10 BTW?
is metal comparable (in it's current state) to openCL/openGL (tho apple's openGL being a few versions old v pc land may not help), is there anywhere with good info on the state of metal at the mo and where it's going in the future ?
is metal just a unification of graphics and compute use or just something to make it easier for iphone app dev's?
any indication of better support/drivers for RXxxx cards?
my only hope is we can get some better GPU support piggybacking off the drivers that will come out for eGPU setups, i cant see apple bringing out any GPU's for the classic macpro.
but i can see eGPU being used in dev kits by developers with apple talking about VR they may have to support eGPU setups so dev house's can quickly test different cards on the same mac to check compatibility across the line as well as using say a vaga56 for an app in dev at the most thats coming out in 2 years time when vaga56 speed will be normal on mid range macs?
is metal just a unification of graphics and compute use or just something to make it easier for iphone app dev's?
any indication of better support/drivers for RXxxx cards?
my only hope is we can get some better GPU support piggybacking off the drivers that will come out for eGPU setups, i cant see apple bringing out any GPU's for the classic macpro.
but i can see eGPU being used in dev kits by developers with apple talking about VR they may have to support eGPU setups so dev house's can quickly test different cards on the same mac to check compatibility across the line as well as using say a vaga56 for an app in dev at the most thats coming out in 2 years time when vaga56 speed will be normal on mid range macs?
If you are an Adobe video user, the answer is NO. Glitches in Premiere Pro with Metal. Slower renders compared to OpenCL/CUDA. Some plugins and effects seem incompatible with Metal, or just do not function as they should. CUDA (with an NVIDIA card) works fantastically, so does OpenCL.
Truthfully, if I had to choose between Metal and software only rendering with Adobe on a project due by the end of the day today, I'd likely choose software only - that's how glitchy it has been in the past year.
well the first post says openGL/CL will work on osx10.14 (i assume work but no updates) so we can make the gess that osx10.15 will drop support or stay the same (ie no more updates).
so legacy apps may be doomed apple says update all your app's every year..
or use an eGPU for an nvidia card, as a plus for most CC apps you dont need a high end card for CUDA last time i looked in to it PP CUDA acceleration with a GTX660 was all you needed and gains past that was fairly small (until you needed more vram but you just needed the vram a faster gpu was not a massive speed boost).
so unless adobe do a big update looks like a eGPU with a cheep nvidia card is all you need.
>.> tho the igpu acceleration is now in PP so xeons will be are slower in both PP and FCX id gess than a i7
(i think thats correct, i think there was a post about vaga56 in the new imacs accelerating video exports so not shore if thats just a vaga thing?)
if we are lucky apple will do one last openGL/CL update
so legacy apps may be doomed
apple says update all your app's every year..or use an eGPU for an nvidia card, as a plus for most CC apps you dont need a high end card for CUDA last time i looked in to it PP CUDA acceleration with a GTX660 was all you needed and gains past that was fairly small (until you needed more vram but you just needed the vram a faster gpu was not a massive speed boost).
so unless adobe do a big update looks like a eGPU with a cheep nvidia card is all you need.
>.> tho the igpu acceleration is now in PP so xeons will be are slower in both PP and FCX id gess than a i7
(i think thats correct, i think there was a post about vaga56 in the new imacs accelerating video exports so not shore if thats just a vaga thing?)
if we are lucky apple will do one last openGL/CL update
That does make me think. I picked up a Sapphire 7950 a couple of months ago to power mt 4K screen. Currently, I have one of the switch settings set for EFI for boot screen. However, due to 4K I have to use the default card setting on switch place 1 to boot without the boot screen. It seems that if EFI support is not added then I am going to have some issues with Mojave and getting my card to work with 4K.