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2010 Formula One Thread
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5 second penalties to all the safety car speeders. Alonso only gains 1 place out of it so will be whining even more 
McLaren cheating again.
Don't particularly like Fred, but he does have a point. Hamilton's penalty appears a little lacking considering he overtook the Safety Car, under waved yellows, after a massive accident.
Given the elapsed time, it really should've been handled by the stewards after the race, with a penalty that actually would've penalised him.
Don't particularly like Fred, but he does have a point. Hamilton's penalty appears a little lacking considering he overtook the Safety Car, under waved yellows, after a massive accident.
Given the elapsed time, it really should've been handled by the stewards after the race, with a penalty that actually would've penalised him.
McLaren cheating again.
Don't particularly like Fred, but he does have a point. Hamilton's penalty appears a little lacking considering he overtook the Safety Car, under waved yellows, after a massive accident.
Given the elapsed time, it really should've been handled by the stewards after the race, with a penalty that actually would've penalised him.
How did they cheat?
They were given a penalty and they complied. That's a funny way to cheat...
It's just tough titties for Ferrari he upped his pace and negated the penalty. Bit like when Valentino Rossi was handed a 10 second time penalty near the end of a race, so he upped his pace and finished 15 seconds ahead of the next guy.
As was said post race, it was all sour grapes.
From the replays you could see Alonso was trying to pass the safety cars, if Lewis hadn't lifted and Alonso had got along side the safety car like Lewis was. You can bet your arse he'd pass it too if it was that close to the line...
McLaren cheating again.
Don't particularly like Fred, but he does have a point. Hamilton's penalty appears a little lacking considering he overtook the Safety Car, under waved yellows, after a massive accident.
Given the elapsed time, it really should've been handled by the stewards after the race, with a penalty that actually would've penalised him.
Not cheating in any sense of the word. It's true that Lewis messed up by passing the safety car after the line. But he was penalized. It's not his fault that the penalty was either not sufficient (maybe it should have been a ten second stop and go) or simply predetermined before the race. I don't know the letter of the rules.
Hamilton hardly had time to consider whether passing the safety car was worth the subsequent penalty or not. It all happened too quickly.
Hamilton got lucky, but the fact that his drive-through didn't change his track position wasn't cheating by any interpretation I can think of.
McLaren cheating again.
Don't particularly like Fred, but he does have a point. Hamilton's penalty appears a little lacking considering he overtook the Safety Car, under waved yellows, after a massive accident.
Given the elapsed time, it really should've been handled by the stewards after the race, with a penalty that actually would've penalised him.
boohoo
He was not going that fast, meeting the set time, backing off when approaching the safety car. Wouldn't of he escaped a penalty if he floored it and passed before the safety car passed the line?
Just because they were given a penalty, doesn't negate the fact that he/they cheated in the first place.
It was clearly apparent that he over took a Safety Car, under waved yellows, yet his team (before the penalty) were claiming he'd done nothing wrong... yet knew that he had, in essence they were well aware that they were trying to gain an unfair advantage, and they did. Had Lewis not overtaken the Safety Car when he did, he would've been 8th or 9th, not 2nd.
Therefore his actions gave him an unfair advantage, a penalty does not change these facts.
And lets be honest here, it's not like McLaren don't have form in this particular area is it.
I bet it wouldn't have been if it was the other way around 'eh.
It would've been the usual, but erroneous, FIA favouring Ferrari nonsense.
Err, by definition it was actually. They attempted to gain an advantage by breaking the rules. And they did. How would you define it?
I sincerely hope he wasn't thinking like that. Then again, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he was... just look at Liegate.
Whether the penalty was sufficient or not is a different debate entirely. In this instance, both the process and the penalty were at fault. Namely, 1. the process to give the penalty took too long, meaning that 2, by the time the penalty was applied, it did not penalise the competitor sufficiently. This of course is not the fault of either Hamilton or McLaren. But this does not change the fact they gained unfairly by overtaking the Safety Car under waved yellows, and the teams subsequent denial of doing anything wrong.
Nor mine.
However... how do you interpret overtaking a Safety Car under waved yellows, an act that allowed him to retain 2nd, rather than dropping to 8th or 9th.
Do you think that is fair?
Yes... because he wouldn't have broken any rules, and no one would have an issue then. The problem was he passed the Safety Car when he shouldn't, have and gained unfairly from it.
But in all seriousness, the stewards have made some shocking decisions this season, it's all good and well having a different celebrity steward at each race, but by doing say, there is then a inconsistency in the decision making process at each race.
For example, given the accident between Webb/Kov yesterday, one does wonder whether a reprimand was a suitable punishment for Hamilton after his weaving antics at Malaysia, or whether Schumacher receiving a 20 second post race penalty in Monaco for overtaking after the Safety Car line under green flag conditions was suitable, given a multitude of cars only received 5 second post race penalties after breaking the rules under Safety Car conditions yesterday.
Completely incomprehensible.
Don't know if this will show up, I hope it does (from SELOC). I think it sums up the attitude of the two drivers perfectly
the picture is funny, but the reality remains that hamilton and mclaren knowlingly cheated (again) and got away with a fake penalty (again).
it really seems to be in their DNA.
the penalty should have been simple to give: how many positions where gained by the cheating of hamilton and the rest of the bunch? penalize them by deducting those position (for fairness) plus one (for cheating)
it really seems to be in their DNA.
the penalty should have been simple to give: how many positions where gained by the cheating of hamilton and the rest of the bunch? penalize them by deducting those position (for fairness) plus one (for cheating)
Not really.
The penalty removed Hamiltons chance of challenging Vettel. The penalty of a drive through is pretty standard, he was able to drive to a standard that limited its damage.
Not really.
Really.
. The 'penalty' didn't cause hamilton any penalties, at all. the chances of challenging vettel were slim to none and would have been exactly zero if he didn't illegally pass the safety car.
the penalty of a drive through is NOT standard at all when the driver to be punished by it has gained enough advantage -as a direct consequence of the infraction he is supposedly being punished for- to completely void the aforementioned punishment. In this specific case it amounts to the classic (especially for LH) slap on the wrist, while at the same time a middle finger is shown to all the other drivers.
alonso is not one that draws my sympathies and he does tend to whine a bit too much, just as hamilton is not one that draws my sympathies and he does tend to cheat too much. but in this case the spaniard is 100% right.
Honesty, i understand fanboysm, but this case is really indefensible.
he gained 9 positions doing an obviously illegal manouvre, and the supposed punishment costed him none. Basically his unsportsmanlike behaviour (or all-out cheating) was awarded with a podium: how can you possibly see that as fair?
the double standard some of you guys apply is appalling.
Don't know if this will show up, I hope it does (from SELOC). I think it sums up the attitude of the two drivers perfectly
Yeah, Alonso is not having a very good year. He's out-racing Massa but not by huge margins. I understand him being upset with Hamilton but Alonso couldn't seem to do anything in Valencia. He has more things to worry about than Hamilton's breaking a rule and getting a non-penalty penalty. Where's the fire and the passion? He seems uninspired, the opposite of someone like Robert Kubica this year.
Perhaps you alreaedy saw this since it's making its way around the internet, but if not hope you enjoy.
Jenson/Hamilton - McLaren archive:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tQCXE7DDuc&feature=player_embedded
Jenson/Hamilton - McLaren archive:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tQCXE7DDuc&feature=player_embedded
Thanks for the link! It's good to know that racing history is being preserved somewhere. What a room full of cars!
Those Red Bulls sure are fast. So fragile though. They are lucky that front nose collapse didn't occur during the race. Unless Webbo can get in front of Vettel it's probably going to be a processional bore with Vettel winning from the front, the only way he can win. They just killed Silverstone. What were they thinking?
is there a new lay out? out of the loop on this one...
from f1.com live timing i noticed it took a little longer to get around though...Just found this:
Actually I think Webber's best chance is to do what Red Bull have been doing to him and stab him in the back. "No team orders ... er wait - Seb's in front: team orders guys!" seems to be the mantra.
What sort of tablet is Jake using for his prompts? Looks like an iPad
It's an iPad, he's been using it since Monaco where it wasn't in a case and you could clearly see the Apple logo.