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2011 Macbook Pro 13 - many beachballs with 510 SSD

Cool, wasn't being a smart ass :p

Like I say though, that performance index is in no way considered good for a 6Gbps SATA III connection. Even my SATA II Vertex 2E is about that.
 
MacRS4 said:
Cool, wasn't being a smart ass :p

Like I say though, that performance index is in no way considered good for a 6Gbps SATA III connection. Even my SATA II Vertex 2E is about that.
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Fair enough. Tone often does not come through as intended on the Interwebs. :)

I do not disagree and the Anand tests show that. I think the Intel drives give up some speed for reliability and that is what pushed me toward the Intel SSD.

I think under real world usage, not synthetic benchmarks, it would be impossible to tell the difference between any of the modern SSDs and we all get a little too wound up over imperceptible differences.
 
hystery said:
Cool to hear that, I was thinking about getting one with 2011 model. Does it work with the connection speed 6G?
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Yes it does, shows connected at 6gbps and 0 beach balls.

Everything that I have tried opens with a single bounce with the exception of Garageband, however that opens in a little over 4 seconds with the 1.6GB addon package installed with it.

I am just treading water until the prices for the 128GB or 256GB come down to below the $200/$300 mark.
 
axu539 said:
I've heard the MBP does not play nice with the Crucial SATA III SSDs either. It might have to do with SATA III compatibility and not the SSD itself.
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I thought it was sudden motion sensor with the c300's.
 
Well, an update. I cloned the drive to an Intel G2 120gb and the beachballs are gone, working super smooth now... 510 is being returned
 
desantii said:
Well, an update. I cloned the drive to an Intel G2 120gb and the beachballs are gone, working super smooth now... 510 is being returned
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I wonder if your 510 is defective? You and I have the same 2011 machine and I installed my 510 today and have had no problems at all.
 
same problem
intel 510 250GB
Macbook pro 17 (early 2011) 2.3

This is really sucks, been waiting for this SSD for so long and it does not work well with the new macbook.
 
SSD INtel 510

bodaay said:
same problem
intel 510 250GB
Macbook pro 17 (early 2011) 2.3

This is really sucks, been waiting for this SSD for so long and it does not work well with the new macbook.
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in my new macbook pro 17" the C510 also dose not boot ... grrrr

**** ...

dont buy the ssd ... now ... wait for a firm-update ...
 
bodaay said:
xbench results... seriously wth

screenshot20110310at601.png
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Here is mine with the 510 in a 2011 13" MBP. Yours should be similar. It looks like maybe it is not linked at SATAIII speeds. If you look in the system profiler at the SATA connection does it say "Negotiated Link Speed 6GBs"? If not, try a SMC reset and see if that gives you the 6GB/s link you should have.

Code: 
Disk Test	336.16	
		Sequential	214.06	
			Uncached Write	199.20	122.31 MB/sec [4K blocks]
			Uncached Write	320.29	181.22 MB/sec [256K blocks]
			Uncached Read	112.53	32.93 MB/sec [4K blocks]
			Uncached Read	603.17	303.15 MB/sec [256K blocks]
		Random	782.48	
			Uncached Write	601.20	63.64 MB/sec [4K blocks]
			Uncached Write	514.06	164.57 MB/sec [256K blocks]
			Uncached Read	2091.92	14.82 MB/sec [4K blocks]
			Uncached Read	975.34	180.98 MB/sec [256K blocks]
 
Weaselboy said:
Here is mine with the 510 in a 2011 13" MBP. Yours should be similar. It looks like maybe it is not linked at SATAIII speeds. If you look in the system profiler at the SATA connection does it say "Negotiated Link Speed 6GBs"? If not, try a SMC reset and see if that gives you the 6GB/s link you should have.

Code: 
Disk Test	336.16	
		Sequential	214.06	
			Uncached Write	199.20	122.31 MB/sec [4K blocks]
			Uncached Write	320.29	181.22 MB/sec [256K blocks]
			Uncached Read	112.53	32.93 MB/sec [4K blocks]
			Uncached Read	603.17	303.15 MB/sec [256K blocks]
		Random	782.48	
			Uncached Write	601.20	63.64 MB/sec [4K blocks]
			Uncached Write	514.06	164.57 MB/sec [256K blocks]
			Uncached Read	2091.92	14.82 MB/sec [4K blocks]
			Uncached Read	975.34	180.98 MB/sec [256K blocks]
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Yes its is SATAIII
by mistake I put both links to the same picture. one of them supposed to be from the profiler which shows negotiated speed as 6Gb

I cannot post the SS again now since I've removed the SSD and back to the stupid 750GB 5400 stock HD

BTW, even you results are much slower than the advertised speed. at least it should be more than 500 in sequential read
 
it could identify as SATA III, but those speeds definitely don't look like a third-gen SSD controller....
 
bodaay said:
BTW, even you results are much slower than the advertised speed. at least it should be more than 500 in sequential read
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See my comments in this post. I'm not sure we will be able to compare Mac XBench test speeds to Iometer on Windows. Spec on 120GB is 450 on sequential read.

I would be interested to see someone with a 510 in a SATAIII MBP do an Iometer test in Bootcamp.

Edit: I just noticed you have the 250GB 510 so your seq. read should be even better than mine. 250 has better specs than the 120 I have. I am getting 303 MB/s seq. read with a 120 and you are only seeing 202 MB/s on a 250GB. Something is up. You might try an SMC reset just for kicks to see if that helps.
 
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Weaselboy said:
See my comments in this post. I'm not sure we will be able to compare Mac XBench test speeds to Iometer on Windows. Spec on 120GB is 450 on sequential read.

I would be interested to see someone with a 510 in a SATAIII MBP do an Iometer test in Bootcamp.

Edit: I just noticed you have the 250GB 510 so your seq. read should be even better than mine. 250 has better specs than the 120 I have. I am getting 303 MB/s seq. read with a 120 and you are only seeing 202 MB/s on a 250GB. Something is up. You might try an SMC reset just for kicks to see if that helps.
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I did that already. SMC reset really required to get negotiated speed at 6Gb.
but still, that benchmarks while on 6Gb negotiated speed. The problem is its hard to find another machine with SATA III controller to test and check whether I've a defective SSD or my MBP really needs EFI update

I dont wanna bootcamp with windows.
 
In bootcamp my 510 worked fine, but even there the speeds were not the best, 180mb/s writes and 280mb/s reads, it should have been much faster.

Now I installed a x-25M 120gb and althought not as fast no issues in OSX
 
Weaselboy said:
Just installed a 120GB Intel 510 SSD in my 2011 13" MBP and it is working perfectly.

I removed the OEM HD and installed the new SSD then did a SMC reset and booted from the OEM HD in a USB enclosure. Then ran Disk Util and partitioned the SSD and used Carbon Copy Cloner to move everything to the SSD. I shutdown and disconnected the USB drive and started off the SSD. Went to System Profile and the SSD is linked at SATAIII 6gbps. I set the new SSD as the Startup Disk then started again. Everything seems to work just fine.
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I was having similar issues described here after installing a 120GB Intel 510 SSD in my 2011 17" MBP. It even gave me a kernel panic ("Unable to find driver for this platform: \"ACPI\".\n") and gray screen yesterday and was at the point where it would not start today (just gave the startup screen with a spinner). After much searching and frustration I reset the SMC as suggested and that seems to have fixed the problem. Thanks Weaselboy!
 
desantii said:
In bootcamp my 510 worked fine, but even there the speeds were not the best, 180mb/s writes and 280mb/s reads, it should have been much faster.

Now I installed a x-25M 120gb and althought not as fast no issues in OSX
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Thanks, at lease I can rest assured that my SSD is fine and its definitely a problem with the new MBPs.

I've cloned everything on the SSD, I'll wait until Apple release EFI update. Although my experience with Apple tells my they would never bother until the media make a big fuss about it. If anyone can reach an editor in one of the big news sites it would be really great help to all of us.

The funny thing is that these macbook supposed to be the best platforms to get the power of these new Intel SSDs :confused::confused::confused:
 
nullpublic said:
I was having similar issues described here after installing a 120GB Intel 510 SSD in my 2011 17" MBP. It even gave me a kernel panic ("Unable to find driver for this platform: \"ACPI\".\n") and gray screen yesterday and was at the point where it would not start today (just gave the startup screen with a spinner). After much searching and frustration I reset the SMC as suggested and that seems to have fixed the problem. Thanks Weaselboy!
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Even if it works, try to shutdown and power on again. Open disk utility and activity monitor.

I had kernel panics as well.

well, I think I will just wait and see if any update in the future will fix these issues.
 
Everyone who's having problems should contact Anand Shimpi from anandtech.com (via Twitter or e-mail).
He's currently working on his MBP-review, stress-testing the 510 and other SSDs, and he's very interested in these issues.
 
bodaay said:
Even if it works, try to shutdown and power on again. Open disk utility and activity monitor.

I had kernel panics as well.

well, I think I will just wait and see if any update in the future will fix these issues.
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Darn, and it was working so well until I did a power off/on. I did a reset before and it seemed to work fine...

It's been sitting spinning on the startup screen for a several minutes now...
 
Barefeats has posted a 2011 MBP SSD roundup here. I noticed they used Quickbench to test the drives. I just purchased Quickbench and replicated the Barefeats tests on my 2011 13" MBP with the 120GB Intel 510 SSD. Here are the results along with the Barefeats test.

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	Small Random Read
C300 SSD        156
OWC SSD   	136
Apple SSD  	104
Intel 510 SSD	133 
	
	Small Random Write
C300 SSD        156
OWC SSD	        146
Apple SSD   	114
Intel 510 SSD	131
	
	Large Seq. Read
C300 SSD   	347
OWC SSD   	271
Apple SSD  	212
Intel 510 SSD	339
	
	Large Seq. Write
C300 SSD   	219
OWC SSD   	252
Apple SSD  	206
Intel 510 SSD	119

Here is how Barefeats tested.

We used QuickBench from the Speed Tools Test Suite to sample the small random reads/writes (average of 4K to 1024K blocks - 5 cycles each) and large sequential read/writes (20M to 100M blocks - 5 cycles each).
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As I mentioned in a previous post, the problem assessing this or any SSD for a Mac is most of the major tech review sites like Anand are testing on a PC under Windows so it is difficult to compare those results on a Apple machine. Hopefully my test results combined with Barefeats tests will help with comparing the Intel 510 in a Mac with SATAIII.
 
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