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2011 Macbook Pro 13 - many beachballs with 510 SSD
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I emailed him yesterday and sent a link to the thread...here is the reply.
"That is very strange. I have an Intel 510 SSD in my personal 15-inch 2011 MBP and I'm not seeing any of those issues. I will say that the issues you're describing aren't unheard of on MacBook Pros. I have seen them with drives in the past and unfortunately I haven't been able to determine the root cause. Usually if a drive works it just works though, I'm hearing of more variability with these new systems for some reason and I'm not sure why.
Apple is also unwilling to discuss the issues as it only supports Apple branded SSDs in the MBPs.
If there's anything I figure out I'll publish it on the site of course"
"That is very strange. I have an Intel 510 SSD in my personal 15-inch 2011 MBP and I'm not seeing any of those issues. I will say that the issues you're describing aren't unheard of on MacBook Pros. I have seen them with drives in the past and unfortunately I haven't been able to determine the root cause. Usually if a drive works it just works though, I'm hearing of more variability with these new systems for some reason and I'm not sure why.
Apple is also unwilling to discuss the issues as it only supports Apple branded SSDs in the MBPs.
If there's anything I figure out I'll publish it on the site of course"
Yea, just sent him a few emails. Unfortunately I will need to exchange this for something that definitely works if this is not resolved soon.
I've contacted:
Intel, Gizmodo, Engadget and iClarified
Explaining the issue and link to this thread and another thread where people with Crucial C300 are having same issues with the new macbook pro
hopefully you guys could do the same with same sites and perhaps others as well
Intel, Gizmodo, Engadget and iClarified
Explaining the issue and link to this thread and another thread where people with Crucial C300 are having same issues with the new macbook pro
hopefully you guys could do the same with same sites and perhaps others as well
I guess this is something that is just random, as I am on day 9 I believe with my C300 and have not experienced any slowdowns or problems at all.
Wonder if something that was disk intensive was run prior to issues popping up? I personally dont do anything heavy on my MBP other than Garageband and a few games here and there.
When I installed my SSD I cloned it using CCC and then simply stuck it in, opened the boot disk options and pointed to the SSD as the boot. Been super fast on boot ever since.
I have roughly 30.6GB of free space on my drive now and everything large I keep stored or run from my regular 5400rpm USB attached external drive
The thing is, though I consider myself as super heavy user, the machine doesn't even boot properly with SSD to start with.
Another thing, I thought I'll just give a Mac OSX 10.7 lion a try and continue using it if it supports SATA III properly. But, the preview version available now doesn't work on new Macbook pro
well, any problem that is not occurring to most users usually never fixed by apple. I hope I'm wrong this time and they do fix it.
I too had a 3GB link speed, did the reset and went up to 6. However on a few occasions did get the beachballs. I did the reset a few more times and it seems ok.... for now.
My xbench results with the 250GB 510, Link speed 6GB:
Disk Test 36.55
Sequential 18.71
Uncached Write 296.16 181.84 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 458.02 259.15 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 4.84 1.42 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 711.47 357.58 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Random 782.28
Uncached Write 450.98 47.74 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 694.97 222.49 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 1799.77 12.75 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 1109.44 205.86 MB/sec [256K blocks]
My xbench results with the 250GB 510, Link speed 6GB:
Disk Test 36.55
Sequential 18.71
Uncached Write 296.16 181.84 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 458.02 259.15 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 4.84 1.42 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 711.47 357.58 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Random 782.28
Uncached Write 450.98 47.74 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 694.97 222.49 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 1799.77 12.75 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 1109.44 205.86 MB/sec [256K blocks]
My Intel 510 , DOES NOT work in a new 2011 17" Macbook pro.
At all. But it does work in a firewire 800 enclosure so it's not the drive.
It's negotiating at SATA 6gbs when it's in the Macbook but it is totally wonkers.
I did do a PSU reset.
It's probably the new controllers, as this stuff is all new.
I'm more than a little peeved as this thing was not cheap.
At all. But it does work in a firewire 800 enclosure so it's not the drive.
It's negotiating at SATA 6gbs when it's in the Macbook but it is totally wonkers.
I did do a PSU reset.
It's probably the new controllers, as this stuff is all new.
I'm more than a little peeved as this thing was not cheap.
PSU reset? PMU (and not PSU) was used on old PowerBook and iBook...
Did you meen PRAM and NVRAM?
If not, check this: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1379
I thought is was PSU . I just held down the power button until it blinks.
Should I do something else? (I really shouldn't have to do ANYTHING. I never have before, and if you need to do something like this, that may indicate there's a problem that may resurface, I would think).
Thanks for that, but unfortuneatly it did not work.
These have issues with the new models i'm afraid. What I can't understand is how any of them could work, as you say you don't have problems. That doesn't help
Thanks for that, but unfortuneatly it did not work.
These have issues with the new models i'm afraid. What I can't understand is how any of them could work, as you say you don't have problems. That doesn't help
It is odd it works fine for some and not others. I wonder if there is something different about the way we are installing or something?
Here is exactly what I did.
1. Bought new 2011 13" MBP and used Migration Assistant to move data and apps over from 2008 MBP. Then used this a few days to make sure everything was fine.
2. Installed unpartitioned Intel 510 SSD in HDD bay on new MBP and put the HDD in an external USB enclosure.
3. After buttoning up the MBP with the SSD inside I did the SMC reset.
4. Booted off the external USB HDD and used Dick Util to format the SSD as Mac OS Extended (Journaled) with a GUID Partition Table. Then ran Carbon Copy Cloner to clone the HDD data to the SSD.
5. Shutdown the MBP and disconnected the USB drive.
6. Started MBP and set startup drive the the SSD, then rebooted.
The only OS X setting I changed was to turn off "put hard disk to sleep when possible" in energy setting and I ran a terminal command to turn of the sudden motion sensor for the HDD. Everything has worked perfectly from day one.
Desanti in an earlier post said he even tried a fresh install from the new CDs and that is still all jacked up, so I don't know what you can try?
Thanks for the help!
I didn't do the motion detection shutoff, and 'HD sleep off'. It's possible I suppose, that it's this. I also didn't install an OS on it (i'm using an Optibay X25 for the boot drive).
The symptoms are:
When I run Xbench or try to copy a large file/files, it starts off fine but then freezes. Xbench will not make it through the bench but only gets through the sequential reads (freezes on writes, apparently).
Will get to the bottom of this.....rrrrrr
Edit: I tried disabling motion detection and sleep function. Still doesn't work
Also, when doing a format the drive actually dismounted and I had to reboot. It would then format but still showed the same symptoms.
note: I've now tried it in a Firewire 800 enclosure, and a esata Express card enclosure. Both work fine (very fast). It's just in the Macbook that there's a problem, so it's some sort of compatibly issue that effects only some machines (mines a 17").
Oddly enough, the new 13" I think is somehow different as the Anandtech benches showed marked differences.
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mine 17 2.3 (early 2011) as well
I've seen successful installations with 13" and 15"
is it specific to 17" ?!!!!
mine 17 2.3 (early 2011) as well
I've seen successful installations with 13" and 15"
is it specific to 17" ?!!!!
The thread starter Desanti has a 13" exactly like mine and his won't work properly.
My 17" doesn't work with either the Intel 510 250GB or the Plextor 250GB SATA III SSDs, both have Marvell controllers. I had a few tweets with Anand and he has not tried the Intel drives on 17" MBPs, only 13 and 15.
The story of two drives:
1. Intel 510 250GB - Trying to install from scratch on the Intel resulted in an error on install. I then put a fresh install on the 750GB in the OptiBay and did a carbon copy to the SSD. When I booted from the SSD it came up, so I did a few updates and rebooted. Upon reboot it hung and would not load OS X.
2. The Plextor was actually successful and allowed me to load all my apps. Everything seemed to be working well for a time, but then I rebooted the laptop after an install. Upon reboot I got the Apple icon, then a progress bar underneath that seemed to be loading something that took forever (10 min). Once done, OS X started to load, but then just hung and beach balled. After this I couldn't mount the partition and only receive a circle with a line running through it when booting.
Buying SSDs for these new MBPs is kind of a pain right now...
The story of two drives:
1. Intel 510 250GB - Trying to install from scratch on the Intel resulted in an error on install. I then put a fresh install on the 750GB in the OptiBay and did a carbon copy to the SSD. When I booted from the SSD it came up, so I did a few updates and rebooted. Upon reboot it hung and would not load OS X.
2. The Plextor was actually successful and allowed me to load all my apps. Everything seemed to be working well for a time, but then I rebooted the laptop after an install. Upon reboot I got the Apple icon, then a progress bar underneath that seemed to be loading something that took forever (10 min). Once done, OS X started to load, but then just hung and beach balled. After this I couldn't mount the partition and only receive a circle with a line running through it when booting.
Buying SSDs for these new MBPs is kind of a pain right now...
So do I have to sell this on Ebay?
Thing is, I imagine Intel would look into this if enough people contacted tech support. But the fact it's only the 17" (or maybe it's hit or miss) makes it confusing.
It would be easier if none of these new machines worked with it.
Thing is, I imagine Intel would look into this if enough people contacted tech support. But the fact it's only the 17" (or maybe it's hit or miss) makes it confusing.
It would be easier if none of these new machines worked with it.
There are reports in this thread of 13" not working either.
Why can't you return is from where you bought it if it does not work?
Have you tried calling/emailing Intel tech support?
Same Problems on my 15" MBP
I ordered a 15" MPB CTO with the non-glare HD screen. Everything else stock. I then got 8gb RAM from OWC and 200 GB OWC Mercury Extreme SSD drive. After installing those new items I tried to install the OS on the drive. It gave me fits. So I put the SSD in an external enclosure and installed that way. Then did a migration of my data from my old mac. Then I put the SSD back in the mac. It seemed to be running fine. Got boot camp running with Windows 7 64 bit pro.
Slowly the problems returned. It seemed like every time the computer put itself to sleep (as opposed to me closing the lid) it would freeze when I woke it up.
I didn't see any problems with my BootCamp partitions. I had attempted to run with the stock 4GB of memory, but had the same problems in OSX. So I decided to do a fresh install of OSX. Many problems resulted. The installer locked up several times, then it wouldn't see the SSD.
Taking it to the Apple store tonight.
I ordered a 15" MPB CTO with the non-glare HD screen. Everything else stock. I then got 8gb RAM from OWC and 200 GB OWC Mercury Extreme SSD drive. After installing those new items I tried to install the OS on the drive. It gave me fits. So I put the SSD in an external enclosure and installed that way. Then did a migration of my data from my old mac. Then I put the SSD back in the mac. It seemed to be running fine. Got boot camp running with Windows 7 64 bit pro.
Slowly the problems returned. It seemed like every time the computer put itself to sleep (as opposed to me closing the lid) it would freeze when I woke it up.
I didn't see any problems with my BootCamp partitions. I had attempted to run with the stock 4GB of memory, but had the same problems in OSX. So I decided to do a fresh install of OSX. Many problems resulted. The installer locked up several times, then it wouldn't see the SSD.
Taking it to the Apple store tonight.
This is a known issue with the OWC SSD and OWC says they are working on a firmware fix. Just disable auto sleep and you should be fine until then.
I don't think Apple is going to help you with an aftermarket SSD installed.
Thanks. I'll try that out. Any idea how to disable it so I can do a fresh install?