2014 Formula 1 Thread

[Apple fanboy]

So what do we think for qualifying? Can't really see it going any other way than the Mercs, but who next? Red bull or Williams. Both seem to be doing well.
With overtaking very difficult at Monza, today will go along way to deciding the points for tomorrow.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Well a massive qualifying for Mercedes. A 1-2 as well as a top 6 lock out.

Hamilton had the better of Nico all day which is good for the championship. Hopefully the Williams can split them (but I doubt it).
Going for Hamilton, Nico, Bottas to tomorrow.
Lets just hope there are no comings together.

Also, shocking for Lotus. They have been poor (due to underfunding etc) all season, but only just in front of Kobayashi by 4 10ths. Very worrying. I bet both drivers are looking for a better ride next term.

 

[pachyderm]

Well a massive qualifying for Mercedes. A 1-2 as well as a top 6 lock out.

Hamilton had the better of Nico all day which is good for the championship. Hopefully the Williams can split them (but I doubt it).
Going for Hamilton, Nico, Bottas to tomorrow.
Lets just hope there are no comings together.

Also, shocking for Lotus. They have been poor (due to underfunding etc) all season, but only just in front of Kobayashi by 4 10ths. Very worrying. I bet both drivers are looking for a better ride next term.

and did you hear the explanation for the poor showing from lotus this season? the asymmetrical front end is throwing the balance of the entire car off… or something to that effect.

i wonder if the vacuum cleaner front end of the ferrari is sucking the whole car down too much? =P


GO NICO! GO FRED! GO BOTTAS! GO BIANCHI!

 

[Apple fanboy]

Great race. Lots going on at the front and further back. Highlights for me was Hamilton forcing Nico into mistakes to take back the lead.
Seeing Masa back on the podium. Such a likeable guy. Great points for Williams as well. Surely they have third place secured now?
The duel between the two Red Bulls. Great to see Vettel losing out to his team mate again even though he had track position.
Further down Perez and Button had some interesting action (as well as Magnussen of course).

 

[ValSalva]

Great race. Lots going on at the front and further back. Highlights for me was Hamilton forcing Nico into mistakes to take back the lead.
Seeing Masa back on the podium. Such a likeable guy. Great points for Williams as well. Surely they have third place secured now?
The duel between the two Red Bulls. Great to see Vettel losing out to his team mate again even though he had track position.
Further down Perez and Button had some interesting action (as well as Magnussen of course).

Agree 100%. Just don't see why Magnussen received a penalty for his battle with Bottas. Seemed like a racing non-incident. It didn't look at all like Magnussen purposely pushed Bottas off. It appeared more that Magnussen didn't have the grip to avoid sliding towards Bottas. They were both racing for the corner and there was no collision. Again, seemed like great racing to me.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Agree 100%. Just don't see why Magnussen received a penalty for his battle with Bottas. Seemed like a racing non-incident. It didn't look at all like Magnussen purposely pushed Bottas off. It appeared more that Magnussen didn't have the grip to avoid sliding towards Bottas. They were both racing for the corner and there was no collision. Again, seemed like great racing to me.

It wasn't much different o the incident between the two Mercs lat time, and that was just put down to racing. I don't always understand the stewards decisions, but they have more data and experience than us.

 

[iHackPro]

Really happy that Massa got a podium spot. He's been running well, but horrible luck.

Wanted Rosberg to win over Lewis, oh well. I think that whichever one of them wins Abu Dhabi will win the title.

 

[pachyderm]

Really happy that Massa got a podium spot. He's been running well, but horrible luck.

Wanted Rosberg to win over Lewis, oh well. I think that whichever one of them wins Abu Dhabi will win the title.

agreed.

bottas and lewis both overcame rough starts. that was fun to watch.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

A good race in my view and a deserved win for Hamilton. I think he goes away from this one mentally stronger after forcing the mistake on Nico. Singapore is a track Hamilton enjoys as a previous winner too so it'll be interesting to see if reliability plays a part in the next few races, my guess is it will. Hamilton knows full well now he can't drop the ball and needs to out qualify and finish ahead of his team mate in the remaining 6 races. As we have seen the results go both ways, often with more luck than judgement.

I though Ricciardo is showing how wasted he was in the Toro Rosso and Red Bull must be regretting not getting him in the car sooner. Vettel is having a bad year and I'm not totally convinced it is because he doesn't have the talent to match Daniel but more to do with struggling with the new regs and car. Hamilton had a tough year in 2011 and came back and destroyed his then team mate, even if the results didn't necessarily show this. Vettel is a strong driver and if he is not careful he could well be elbowed out of Red Bull. I know McLaren are very interested in Seb and Fernando to lead the new Honda era so he has an option should this continue to not work out so well. Early days though. The championship is hotting up nicely. 🙂

 

[pachyderm]

… I know McLaren are very interested in Seb and Fernando to lead the new Honda era so he has an option should this continue to not work out so well. Early days though. The championship is heating up nicely. 🙂

really…? i didn't know that. kool.

 

[Apple fanboy]

If Seb leaves Red Bull it would only be for Ferrari (for the money and prestige) or Mercedes to give him a chance at another title.
I think more likely he will stat at RBR as Ferrari is a sideways move and I don't see an opening for him at Mercedes.

 

[mwa]

I think Hamilton behaves like a spoiled little brat, but seeing he got a win puts more competition back into the race for the Driver's. However, I'd really not like to see Mercedes push out a bias punishment like Belgium again. Hamilton whines when he loses and puffs himself up when he wins - Rosberg just drives well and credits his team, or the weather, or the tires, or whatever, for his success. It's a shame that Hamilton gets more favoritism given his fan base, but that's how it is. The better driver will win in the end. 🙂

Really amped for Massa... he's had such a horrible run of luck this year with such noble efforts each time. Well deserved.

Magnussen, well, maybe I've got nepotism on the brain, but the marshals seem to pick on him. He doesn't drive half as aggressively as Alonso - but the latter gets away without even a blue flag... I would assume because he also has a much larger group of passionate money making fans than Magnussen does. ...and that :20 last time was way too harsh.

Ah well. Still a blast to watch!

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

really…? i didn't know that. kool.

Indeed its all over the European press and would be a gamble for both of them, but maybe its what Fernando at least needs. I know Ferrari are chasing Ross Brawn once again through desperation and Fernando's 5 years hasn't worked out how he expected. He did say a few years ago that as a child he always dreamed of driving for McLaren as they were his favourite team, hopefully if he goes back it will work this time around.

There is nothing more annoying when chatting on forums than somebody altering the wording in your posts. When I said the season is 'hotting' up, that is exactly what I meant. It is a slang phrase (a bit like 'kool') and although it doesn't convey the best grammar, it was correct in how I intended it. I am not the best speller either and I do not profess to be. I ask politely, please don't do it again. 🙂

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I think Hamilton behaves like a spoiled little brat, but seeing he got a win puts more competition back into the race for the Driver's. However, I'd really not like to see Mercedes push out a bias punishment like Belgium again. Hamilton whines when he loses and puffs himself up when he wins - Rosberg just drives well and credits his team, or the weather, or the tires, or whatever, for his success. It's a shame that Hamilton gets more favoritism given his fan base, but that's how it is. The better driver will win in the end. 🙂

I think Hamilton gets a hard time from F1 fans and much of it is not deserved. I agree Hamilton is a little more emotional than Nico and sometimes he doesn't conduct himself as well after things don't go his way, but you are wrong in the way you say Nico credits the team and other variables for his success, because they both do that. Hamilton never takes full credit for wins and always thanks the team and comments on how hard they have worked, even after mechanical DNF's have ruined his day. We need to at least give Lewis credit for that. Nico does the same of course.

Hamilton has more fans than Nico especially when discussing online in my experience but this could be because most of the main stream F1 discussion forums are British based. I don't think Mercedes pay attention to that. I don't believe they favour one driver over another despite many suggesting Nico is favoured because he has better reliability or Lewis is favoured because he is paid more etc etc.

I don't believe the better driver 'could' win in the end because reliability has played far too much of a role this season at Mercedes. Both drivers have had their up's and down's and despite their skill's on track, a mechanical DNF could decide the championship and that is out of their hands. One of them will win the championship and it will be the luckier of the two. From a personal perspective I hope it is Hamilton because I think he is driving extremely well this year and has kept focussed even when things haven't gone his way. He may appear emotional at times but its the talking that is done on track that counts. Considering he has lost way more points than Nico this year through none finishes and the Spa incident, 22 points is impressively close. 🙂

 

[NukeIT]

Hammy may be alittle more vocal with his emotions, but what's with Nico ostracizing him in the podium ready room?? Talking to Massa and the Mercedes Team guy (I am not sure who that was) in Italian when he would know that his teammate doesn't speak it...

 

[pachyderm]

Indeed its all over the European press and would be a gamble for both of them, but maybe its what Fernando at least needs. I know Ferrari are chasing Ross Brawn once again through desperation and Fernando's 5 years hasn't worked out how he expected. He did say a few years ago that as a child he always dreamed of driving for McLaren as they were his favourite team, hopefully if he goes back it will work this time around.

There is nothing more annoying when chatting on forums than somebody altering the wording in your posts. When I said the season is 'hotting' up, that is exactly what I meant. It is a slang phrase (a bit like 'kool') and although it doesn't convey the best grammar, it was correct in how I intended it. I am not the best speller either and I do not profess to be. I ask politely, please don't do it again. 🙂

ha! where is that a phrase? "things are heating up…" is a phrase.

the internet is going to be a tough place for you.

 

[mwa]

Hammy may be alittle more vocal with his emotions, but what's with Nico ostracizing him in the podium ready room?? Talking to Massa and the Mercedes Team guy (I am not sure who that was) in Italian when he would know that his teammate doesn't speak it...

I know. And booing him on stage for a race incident. That's just rude.

I don't believe the better driver 'could' win in the end because reliability has played far too much of a role this season at Mercedes. Both drivers have had their up's and down's and despite their skill's on track, a mechanical DNF could decide the championship and that is out of their hands. One of them will win the championship and it will be the luckier of the two. From a personal perspective I hope it is Hamilton because I think he is driving extremely well this year and has kept focussed even when things haven't gone his way. He may appear emotional at times but its the talking that is done on track that counts. Considering he has lost way more points than Nico this year through none finishes and the Spa incident, 22 points is impressively close. 🙂

I haven't seen every interview, but the ones I've seen Hamilton loves to take credit, and most of the time Nico is very, very generous in commending other factors and people for the win. Much more generous than Lewis.

And Mercedes fining Nico for when Hamilton cut him off? That's not fair. I love the Nico's determination and his sportsmanly driving but would love to see Mercedes crash and burn. And then they'll wonder why Rosberg doesn't renew his contract or something later on. Nor was it fair (again this me harping on things) that the race marshals ignored Lewis doing that but then really slammed Magnussen (twice!) for doing the same thing.

</broken record>

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

ha! where is that a phrase? "things are heating up…" is a phrase.

the internet is going to be a tough place for you.

It was not the phrase I used so whether another phrase exists is rather irrelevant. This is the second time you have quoted me and each time you have been sarcastic. I have never encountered you before, yet have remained polite. Not sure what the problem is?

If you think I can not handle being trolled on the internet and will somehow find it tough, then you couldn't be more wrong. It is an unnecessary bi-product of internet discussion that we may all face and we all handle it differently. You are not the first person to try this on me I can assure you. I've remained civil because that is the sort of person I am. If I have said something F1 related you don't like and has prompted you to try and start an argument then you won't get far with me. If you can't be respectful then I have the option to hide your posts. Its sad I have had to write this. 🙁

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I haven't seen every interview, but the ones I've seen Hamilton loves to take credit, and most of the time Nico is very, very generous in commending other factors and people for the win. Much more generous than Lewis.

And Mercedes fining Nico for when Hamilton cut him off? That's not fair. I love the Nico's determination and his sportsmanly driving but would love to see Mercedes crash and burn. And then they'll wonder why Rosberg doesn't renew his contract or something later on. Nor was it fair (again this me harping on things) that the race marshals ignored Lewis doing that but then really slammed Magnussen (twice!) for doing the same thing.

</broken record>

Hamilton credits the team in every BBC interview but I can't comment from others around the world. He always has been very complimentary towards his team(s) since entering Formula 1.

I think Mercedes felt they needed to calm the situation down and take action after Spa. They couldn't give Lewis any points so a fine was the decision they reached. Nico was responsible for the contact and very few would disagree with that so he lost out for that one. He could still be World Champion so a small fine is the least of his worries. I don't believe Nico deliberately did what he did but it was a clumsy move that cost the team dearly. I would expect Hamilton to be treated the same if the roles were reversed.

I assume when you refer to Magnussen you mean his Monza turn 1 incidents? I can't see how they are the same thing when both incidents involved the cars being in totally different positions on track. Bottas was up the inside of Magnussen in Monza when he was pushed off and this is very different to a front wing alongside a rear tyre. Bottas had a chance to take the corner whereas Rosberg's only option was to concede due to track position and failure to be on the racing line. I don't believe Lewis was obliged to give up the corner just because his team mate had a front wing by the side of him, plus Lewis would have lost out further had he gone wide. It was a clumsy move that Nico has accepted.

Every incident is judged by the stewards based on what they see. I think Spa has been discussed to death now and I can't see the point in going over it with a minority of people that feel Hamilton was to blame. Its a waste of time and has been dealt with. 🙂

 

[pachyderm]

It was not the phrase I used so whether another phrase exists is rather irrelevant. This is the second time you have quoted me and each time you have been sarcastic. I have never encountered you before, yet have remained polite. Not sure what the problem is?

If you think I can not handle being trolled on the internet and will somehow find it tough, then you couldn't be more wrong. It is an unnecessary bi-product of internet discussion that we may all face and we all handle it differently. You are not the first person to try this on me I can assure you. I've remained civil because that is the sort of person I am. If I have said something F1 related you don't like and has prompted you to try and start an argument then you won't get far with me. If you can't be respectful then I have the option to hide your posts. Its sad I have had to write this. 🙁

lol. you've remained civil whilst appearing to be incredibly paranoid. chill out.

 

[mwa]

Every incident is judged by the stewards based on what they see. I think Spa has been discussed to death now and I can't see the point in going over it with a minority of people that feel Hamilton was to blame. Its a waste of time and has been dealt with. 🙂

Good. Maybe someone else can chime in and talk with the 'minority' now without sounding a bit condescending. This is a discussion forum, after all. 🙂

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Good. Maybe someone else can chime in and talk with the 'minority' now without sounding a bit condescending. This is a discussion forum, after all. 🙂

I doubt it, its been discussed to death already and the outcome was satisfactory. If you want to go over something from 2 races ago then that is fine. Hopefully somebody will join in and your desired discussion can continue. 🙂

 

[smithrh]

Formula E

DVR somehow recorded this.

Ugh, it's spec.

It's also a fairly short race - I think I heard 25 minutes?

They change cars in the middle of the race. Minimum pit times.

It really looks like (gag) Indy car racing. Boring street track.

I had been somewhat interested in this, but after seeing what the reality is, I'm thinking they started this a few years early.

The spec thing is perhaps the worst. Let the teams innovate - this should be all about the technology and not about the drivers. Let them go wild on aero, and make them change battery packs, not cars. Then I'd be interested.

 

[Melrose]

DVR somehow recorded this.

Ugh, it's spec.

It's also a fairly short race - I think I heard 25 minutes?

They change cars in the middle of the race. Minimum pit times.

It really looks like (gag) Indy car racing. Boring street track.

I had been somewhat interested in this, but after seeing what the reality is, I'm thinking they started this a few years early.

The spec thing is perhaps the worst. Let the teams innovate - this should be all about the technology and not about the drivers. Let them go wild on aero, and make them change battery packs, not cars. Then I'd be interested.

25 minutes & changing cars, lol. 😀

 

[boomhower]

DVR somehow recorded this.

Ugh, it's spec.

It's also a fairly short race - I think I heard 25 minutes?

They change cars in the middle of the race. Minimum pit times.

It really looks like (gag) Indy car racing. Boring street track.

I had been somewhat interested in this, but after seeing what the reality is, I'm thinking they started this a few years early.

The spec thing is perhaps the worst. Let the teams innovate - this should be all about the technology and not about the drivers. Let them go wild on aero, and make them change battery packs, not cars. Then I'd be interested.

My understanding is the first is spec and it will slowly open up the development down the road. I don't think it will happen as I don't see this lasting with 25 minute races. It can't be financially viable.