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Yes, and the fact you complain about a premium brand not being accessible to poor people. Poor people don't need a computer as much, it's a luxury item (if you took a basic economic class you would know that)

Oh yes, I'm soooo sure poor people have iPhones. I guess they care more about angry birds then getting a job or their life together. I guess everyone with an iphone I see one is poor. Lol. Seriously you seem like you never leave the basement enough to see real life and how things work.

The fact that you are so out of touch with reality shows that you have never spent any time around people who are in such unfortunate situations that they are just happy to have the free phone that is provided to them by the few companies who will offer the government subsidized program to those who need a phone.

You know what... it's never a cheap garbage phone that they hand out. Well, except the blackberries that they gave out one year. Even those were good phones, just had lots of people complaining about the signal strength (dropped calls at inconvenient times).

Each year, it's a different phone that is issued. It's whatever they want to promote that year. It's a good strategy. There are a lot of people who rely on this program in order to have any phone at all. Them walking around with a particular phone adds to the appearance of that phone being popular. It's the people who are in the program who recognize other people who are in the program by the specific model and color of the phones they see come out of other people's pockets. But, your average consumer sees tons of these phones around, and thinks oh, that's cool, look how many people have these, I want one too.

No, people on this program aren't busy playing games with the phones. They don't come with data plans. But, everything else works. It's just a phone. Something they are happy to have. They don't care what it is, just that they have one.

Having something like a phone helps them to put out job applications, and be able to receive calls for interviews.

Now, if you could come down out of your penthouse for a while, and dare to place yourself among the people who really are struggling, as in those who are genuinely struggling to feed their families, not those who just think they don't have enough money, but the ones who really are appreciative to just be somewhere, anywhere, happy that they have a home, and are fighting to do everything they can to better their situation... now, if you can bear to sink so low as to humble yourself and speak with them, get to know them personally, listen to them, maybe and just maybe you might learn something about reality.

You claim that poor people don't need technology and computers? You know what? In this world, they aren't getting ahead without it. And, they'll do what they have to do to provide their children a chance to keep up, learn, and have a shot to live a better life.

You speak the insensitive shallow words that you hide behind to pretend that you're not part of the problem. People like you love to spout things like poor people are just lazy bums, if they got off their butt they could make as much money as you, etc... such insensitive, shallow, and detached thought processes are exactly the problem.

Let me ask you a question... When was the last time you were living on the street and sacrificed all the food you had managed to come up with to someone else you stumbled upon who hadn't eaten for a longer time period than yourself?

You know what? It might surprise you that some of us here come from that life. Some of us have lived it, and spent years fighting against all odds to slowly elevate ourselves from being destitute and doing what we had to do for our kids in the mean time. And, those of us who lived through it, remember those who are still there and do what we can for them.

Enjoy your arrogant self centered perspective while you can. You had just better hope that when something takes you down, that the person who finds you is more compassionate than you are.
 
I would never ever buy a computer I can't upgrade regardless of price, even if it is free I'd sell it to someone else lol

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Yes, and the fact you complain about a premium brand not being accessible to poor people. Poor people don't need a computer as much, it's a luxury item (if you took a basic economic class you would know that)

Oh yes, I'm soooo sure poor people have iPhones. I guess they care more about angry birds then getting a job or their life together. I guess everyone with an iphone I see one is poor. Lol. Seriously you seem like you never leave the basement enough to see real life and how things work.

Son have you ever got out of your basement? your entire comment describes you very well.
 
Now you have :)

This is posted from IE11, on Windows 8.1, on VMWare Fusion 7, on Yosemite, on my late 2012 quad i7 Mac Mini with 16GB of Crucial RAM.

My first Mac desktop, paired with dual Dell 2340M monitors, and it's fantastic.

I was hoping to upgrade but I guess not. I love the Apple ecosystem, but I work from home and need Windows (I'm a developer) so for me the Mini gave me the Windows I needed with the OSX I wanted, in a small form factor with dual monitor support.

I also run two Dell PowerEdge machines with Windows Server OSes. After learning of the lack of upgradability and no quad-core on the new mini models, I bought another 2012 i7 yesterday at Best Buy. I'll be loading it with RAM and virtualizing my Windows servers (and my online internet radio station - my hobby) so I can kill off the aging Dells and un-clutter my house a bit. I can't see virtualizing both machines on a dual-core mini.

I bought the last 2012 i7 Best Buy had in stock. Feeling pretty good about my purchase.

Congratulations on your find :) Always nice to be at the right place at the right time to get what you're needing or looking for :D
 
Car manufacturers could learn from Apple. Weld the wheels to the axels (saving many manufacturing steps, parts, and chances for things to come loose), and when a tire goes flat just get a new car. This is going to make somebody rich!

Most cars last 10 years. Apple does not want people using the same computer for 10 years. I would guess 3 years is more likely their goal to make you replace it.
 
Shame on you Apple! SHAME ON YOU!

This new Mac Mini update is just a cream pie (or Apple Pie ) thrown in Apple's customers faces who were waiting for the new Mac Mini.

I tried my local Apple resellers to see if by any chance they still had the 2012 model in stock but no avail. They are awaiting shipment of the new piece of garbage Mac Mini.:(
 
Ok, it feels like I'm through with Apple

For a couple of years now I've grown increasingly annoyed with Apple. I've used Apple products since I was a kid (my dad ONLY used Apple computers back in the 90s). I've sworn to Apple products as an adult. But there have been so many missteps now, so many design & software decisions from Apple that I abhor. This feels like the final nail in the coffin.

My current setup:
rMBP 15 (2014 model)
iPhone 4S
iPad 3

I was looking to buy a new phone and a new tablet this year. This settles it: I refuse to buy anything again from the kind of company that Apple has become. I know all companies are in it for the money. But the reason we loved Apple back in the days... was that Apple somehow created the illusion that Apple was about more. Think different, anyone? This is the only way they will learn now, if consumers start punishing them with their wallets. I realize that I'm only one guy, but still. You gotta do the right thing.

I still love OSX Mavericks, and think that OSX is much more intuitive than Windows (but no "modern" yosemite look for me, thank you very much, so I'll hang on to Mavericks as long as I can). So instead of a iPhone 6 plus, galaxy note 4 here I come. Instead of an iPad air 2... still undecided about that, but some good android tablet it will be. As for integration with my rMBP: Evernote. Picasa. Chrome. Google voice/hangout. Google calendar. The only thing I will really miss from leaving the Apple ecosystem, is the airplay feature.
 
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.01% of people...

If you're going to pull a number out of your ass, at least make it a realistic one.


How dare this $500 box not be comparable to a $2,500 Mac Pro!

Nice straw man, let me fix that for you.

How dare this $500 box not be comparable to the $599 mini shipping less than a week ago

And I'm sure you have an excuse for Apple dumping the quad cpu as well.

It's not the "Mac modular" or the "Mac DIY".

It's a sad day when we've reached the point where people consider upgrading ram "DIY" or "modular". And even if that's your definition, for years, up through last week, the mini was a machine you would consider "DIY".
 
I think Airplay is also available on PC once you have Itunes installed.

Thanks, I didn't know that! But as I plan on keeping my Macbook Pro for a while, it's not what I need the most... What I'd like is a similar feature on android phones and tablets. Apparently you can use airplay for music (but not video) on android if you root your devide, but I dont know how well that works (music over bluetooth lowers the audio quality, unfortunately).
 
It is wrong to say users can't upgrade the RAM.

Apple gives people three options:

(1) At purchase.

(2) Replace the logic board and the RAM.

(3) Buy a new machine.

People aren't hurt because they can't upgrade the RAM. They're hurt because they can't do it cheaply and because they can't give money to Amazon and Crucial rather than to Apple.

Boo! Hoo! I want it to be 1994. I want a grey box in which I can change all the bits and pieces with trash I bought at Tacky Tech Inc. I don't like the future. I don't like soldered RAM. I don't like Apple having money to develop new products and software. I want cheap. I want the past. I want it to be about me. Oh, mommy, why is that nasty Apple trying to run its business properly? Why is it trying to maximise its profits? Why is it trying to build better systems for the future? Oh, mommy, why do things have to change?
 
I've recommended Mac mini's to people for years who wanted to give Mac a try and already had nice monitor/keyboard/mouse setup or for specific purposes (like basic office server). However the updates to this model with removing the second drive option, only dual core and no memory expansion will keep me from recommending this version to pretty much anyone.
 
I upgrade my ram and graphics card on a few systems, and others I leave them alone. I am not a "general user" though, I know what I am doing.

I don't get your point. If somebody wants to upgrade their 2014 Mac Mini they can't, it's very simple. Apple are just locking people into upgrading more quickly when their Mac Mini won't run the latest software made by Apple because not enough RAM. My 2011 MAc Mini was barely able to run Logic Pro X until I added RAM. It was very easy to do. Apple don't like people doing things different, let's be clear about this. It's the Apple way or the highway.

Pages is another example of this. Dumb it down, who wants two page view anyway?
 
It is wrong to say users can't upgrade the RAM.

Apple gives people three options:

(1) At purchase.

(2) Replace the logic board and the RAM.

(3) Buy a new machine.

People aren't hurt because they can't upgrade the RAM. They're hurt because they can't do it cheaply and because they can't give money to Amazon and Crucial rather than to Apple.

Boo! Hoo! I want it to be 1994. I want a grey box in which I can change all the bits and pieces with trash I bought at Tacky Tech Inc. I don't like the future. I don't like soldered RAM. I don't like Apple having money to develop new products and software. I want cheap. I want the past. I want it to be about me. Oh, mommy, why is that nasty Apple trying to run its business properly? Why is it trying to maximise its profits? Why is it trying to build better systems for the future? Oh, mommy, why do things have to change?

Enjoy the flexibility and choices you apparently praise so highly... cause in the end, whatever choice you make, you're gonna take it in the same place :eek:
 
It is wrong to say users can't upgrade the RAM.

Apple gives people three options:

(1) At purchase.

(2) Replace the logic board and the RAM.

(3) Buy a new machine.

People aren't hurt because they can't upgrade the RAM. They're hurt because they can't do it cheaply and because they can't give money to Amazon and Crucial rather than to Apple.

Well, Crucial, Corsair or Kingston charges RAM modules way less than Apple. It makes sense that people want to pay Apple only for the part where it is innovative. For the commodity part, we want to have more control.

Apple is being innovative on making their products more close, not on bringing real improvements.
 
It is wrong to say users can't upgrade the RAM.

Apple gives people three options:

(1) At purchase.

(2) Replace the logic board and the RAM.

(3) Buy a new machine.

People aren't hurt because they can't upgrade the RAM. They're hurt because they can't do it cheaply and because they can't give money to Amazon and Crucial rather than to Apple.

Boo! Hoo! I want it to be 1994. I want a grey box in which I can change all the bits and pieces with trash I bought at Tacky Tech Inc. I don't like the future. I don't like soldered RAM. I don't like Apple having money to develop new products and software. I want cheap. I want the past. I want it to be about me. Oh, mommy, why is that nasty Apple trying to run its business properly? Why is it trying to maximise its profits? Why is it trying to build better systems for the future? Oh, mommy, why do things have to change?

I really don't get this way of thinking. Actually, it strikes me as a bit bizarre. A lot of commenters here on macrumors seem to identify with Apple as a profit-maximizing company. Of course Apple wants to make money. That's fair enough. But why should we as consumers applaud when Apple is making things more expensive for us? Why? In what way does it increase your quality of life that Apple makes even more money?

I think it is beyond obvious that buying Apple products, for me, is about ME. How can it be otherwise? I have bought Apple products because I've liked them and they have suited my goals. I have never ever bought a single consumer product out of love for the company that makes them. But if you want to buy Apple products out of an altruistic wish to increase Apple's profits, then by all means, go ahead.
 
It is wrong to say users can't upgrade the RAM.

Apple gives people three options:

(1) At purchase.

(2) Replace the logic board and the RAM.

(3) Buy a new machine.

People aren't hurt because they can't upgrade the RAM. They're hurt because they can't do it cheaply and because they can't give money to Amazon and Crucial rather than to Apple.

Boo! Hoo! I want it to be 1994. I want a grey box in which I can change all the bits and pieces with trash I bought at Tacky Tech Inc. I don't like the future. I don't like soldered RAM. I don't like Apple having money to develop new products and software. I want cheap. I want the past. I want it to be about me. Oh, mommy, why is that nasty Apple trying to run its business properly? Why is it trying to maximise its profits? Why is it trying to build better systems for the future? Oh, mommy, why do things have to change?

What rubbish. I have a PC I haven't touched for 2 years because I made sure it had decent specs when I bought it. My Mac Mini had 4GB RAM, now it has 16GB RAM - which from Apple would have cost almost as much as the Mac Mini itself. Why does Apple charge twice as much for a part that is exactly the same? Because they can. Apple sell things for far more than they cost because they have reasonably well made hardware that looks very schmick. I have had plenty of problems with Apple devices - failed Hard Drives, failed batteries and displays on laptops and desktops, etc, especially from around 2008. I have half a dozen I keep for parts.
 
I last met a person who upgraded his computer four years ago. Upgradability on computers, removable battery on phones & memory cards on tablets are interesting perhaps to less than 1% of the market.

Some people really need to stop trying to conserve technology products for ages and get a new device when the time comes, just like the rest of us. In 2014 tech products are designed to be easy to manufacture & be thrown away when their time comes. Deal with it :cool:

Even if the numbers are small, Apple is alienating a segment of potential buyers who want to be able to upgrade their machines on the cheap.

As a middle-class graphic designer who loves to stay on the bleeding edge of things, I can't afford to pay $1000± on a Mac, and especially when can't do what I need in Photoshop/Illustrator/etc. because Adobe decides to increase the minimum requirements for whatever new CC feature they add, and Apple doesn't let me tinker with the computer. It's why I've switched back to PC and won't go back until Apple has a change-of-heart.
 
I last met a person who upgraded his computer four years ago. Upgradability on computers, removable battery on phones & memory cards on tablets are interesting perhaps to less than 1% of the market.

Some people really need to stop trying to conserve technology products for ages and get a new device when the time comes, just like the rest of us. In 2014 tech products are designed to be easy to manufacture & be thrown away when their time comes. Deal with it :cool:

Kind of hard to deal with spending $500-800 on a Mac Mini, use it for 3 years, and chuck it away. Kind of hard to deal with spending $600-$900 on an iPhone for 2 years and chuck it away. Kind of hard to deal with spending $2500-3000 on an iMac, use it for 3 years, and chuck it away.

I don't mind not being able to "upgrade" my Mac, but at least offer me a 5 year AppleCare plan so i'm not stuck with a huge $500-1500 bill because my $60 memory went bad and need to replace the single part that contains EVERYTHING.

Notice how I said 5 years, and not 10 years. I don't plan on keeping devices that long. 5 years is reasonable. 5 years is also about the cutoff for most OS X upgrades to still work (usually) or at least the last upgraded version is still supported.
 
these small devices... Apple making things too hard for us geeks .. (as usual)


neat,, a new Torx screw :),, That should be some fun... Won't take the manufactures long to get these kits i bet.
 
I'm not looking for a reason to complain, since I wasn't expecting the new Mac Mini. It's just disappointing to see Apple taking steps backwards.

Regardless, you just said the exact same thing, with other words. It's not slower, it's just have fewer cores. Well...

It's 2014, most users use multi-thread apps or more that 2 apps at the same time, so 4 cores are now entry-level for a desktop computer released just now. And they also like to upgrade their computer RAM. Obviously, though, Apple disagrees...

I agree with you. My biggest complaint with Apple's Mac line across the board is display options. I've been using three monitors since 2006. I still have a triplehead2go that I'd drive with my macbook pro. In my opinion a modern computer needs at LEAST two monitors. I like three so things in the center aren't split across the bezel. At work I have four.

I was disappointed the new mac mini didn't have quad core with iris pro 5200. BUT, i was pleasantly surprised to see that it could drive three monitors and I can retire the triplehead2go solution. Yes, i could have gotten an iMac with an iris pro 5200, but I want more screens! And to put more side by side to the iMac looks and feels silly!

So I was then tempted to get a retina MBP since that has three display outs. But I REALLY want at least 1 TB of storage and I think what Apple is doing with Fusion drive on the OS level is really cool and great value. Getting 1 TB of storage in the MBP is prohibitively expensive!

WHAT IS NEEDED:
Proper display port 1.2 MST implementation in OSX. That would allow users to daisy chain multiple monitors. Right now there is a check to see if the connected monitor is an Apple display and if not it turns off the DP 1.2 feature set! They went out of their way to gimp that feature!

OR, offer reasonably priced thunderbolt GPU enclosures.
 
I wonder if these scores are based on "retail" or whether they case into consideration that tools will be able to easily open these later would influence the score.

eg. will the score increase, when readily available secure Torx bits available for everyone for these smaller types, if not already.
 
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