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And there's me telling myself I wouldn't get riled up. What an absolute crock of ****, it's an utter joke that a company worth this much and who claim to be about user experience/specs dick their consumers so hard.

They do this to their customers because they know they can get away with it. The Apple logo can sell almost anything so they might as well use it as hard as they can for maximum profit.
 
I bet this is just a stop-gap "upgrade" because of the lack of Skylake. The retina 4k display was ready but not a lot else.

What's the odds there will be a proper upgrade in six months' time with thunderbolt 3, USB-C, and Skylake?
 
I think you are misunderstanding the situation. They are talking about one single charge of the batteries. Not the ability to hold a charge.

Well, technically that's what my Dell's Logitech keyboard and mouse are still on: the initial single charge from when the batteries were manufactured. They're non-rechargeable Duracell AAAs.
 
Apple gave Steven Levy some exclusive access. Nice to see some engineers we don't typically hear about getting recognition.

https://medium.com/backchannel/excl...ill-sweating-the-details-on-imac-531a95e50c91

It's easy to see why. True or not, it is a classical psychological marketing stunt: activate the ideas people have about Apple being all about user experience and detail while hopefully covering up (window dressing) the blatant pc-like rip off of the 5400rpm or downgraded 24GB ssd fusion drive and soldered ram in the 21.5" one.

It's getting old now, soul is lost. Admittedly so, Steve had its moments (you're holding it wrong, mobile me, severely underpowered original MacBook Air and so on), but this is really on the extreme.
 
It's all about the Ad, "STARTS AT JUST..." Same with the 16gig iPhone. Purely to make the numbers look low for marketing reasons.

They can still keep the price the same, while offering a better harddirve. But cook cant stand making 10 bucks less on a 1500 dollar machine.

And that brilliant mouse design put the charge port under the mouse so it cant be used while charging. Brilliant Apply, just brilliant no one could have thought thats the best place for the port.

I can see the ad's next year 'we changed everything including moving the port so you can charge the mouse while using it'. And apple droids will think that once again apple is just the bees knees.
 
They can still keep the price the same, while offering a better harddirve. But cook cant stand making 10 bucks less on a 1500 dollar machine.

And that brilliant mouse design put the charge port under the mouse so it cant be used while charging. Brilliant Apply, just brilliant no one could have thought thats the best place for the port.

I can see the ad's next year 'we changed everything including moving the port so you can charge the mouse while using it'. And apple droids will think that once again apple is just the bees knees.
They don't update the mouse every year. The Magic Mouse 2 replaces the Magic Mouse, which was released in 2009. So maybe Apple will move the charging port to the front of the mouse in 2021.
 
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Apple really needs to get rid of 5400RPM harddrives & 16GB base storage flagship iPhones. Both those standards haven't been upgrade since 2009...

EDIT: To reiterate, I don't like that Apple has become an "up-sell" company (like Frontier Airlines). Offering bare minimum products are terrible in the long-run.
You don't have to like Apple, but you're still going to use Apple products.
 
To be quite honest. I'm confused. Seems like every review covers the 4K imac-- the one with broadwell and the iris pro 6200, not the 5k with skylake and the AMD R9 m3xx(x)
 
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If you had ever experienced the preformance of an ssd, you would not have written this post. I have an external ssd running my Mac Mini. I also have the hard drive set up as a back up in the event the ssd goes out. The difference in speed in all factors, from booting to opening programs, is just mind boggling. The proof is in the pudding. Just use one.

Agreed. I just can't even believe he posted that. To defend the 5400 2.5 inch hard drive in these 'cutting edge' machines is so asinine ... it's really beyond words.
 
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no USB-C is not really an oversight..

Just because the new Macbook pro has them, what can u do with them plug in power and data, a handful (and limited) usb drives with USB-C, and external flash drives...

Apple probably saw a need not to do this for the very reason. *testing the waters* i call it.

"The 21.5-inch version is no longer offered with discrete graphics, not even on the 4K edition, which seems like a mistake"

That statement is probably true, and disrete graphics is good for more than just switching displays..

On Macbook Pro, it auto-switches for better performance in some cases.

You can't complete on thinnest, and lack of available 2.5 inch capacity in the market..

Makes me buy 3.5 inch bulky drives, i could of otherwise got in 2.5 inch versions, if only manufactures made them in this size. Plus u dunno what the manufacture does to those external drives..
 
You're kidding yourself if you think schools and libraries are shelling out $1500 for 4k Retina iMac kiosk and lab machines. Those machines are sub-$1000 and are justifiably crippled. Joe Consumer ought to be able to pick up a daily driver for $1500, and at that price, the inclusion of any spinning drive is ridiculous.

Private schools and universities are definitely populating their spaces with iMacs (including their libraries) and they have been doing so for years. My gym has two iMacs in its lobby. Many nice hotels I've been to in the last few years has an iMac somewhere in the lobby or their business center.

I don't know why Joe Consumer "should" be able to buy something at a certain price. Apple makes a large margin on its computers. But still their computers spec out nicely against the competition and destroy the competition once you start considering things like overall design and materials. I will agree that the spinning drive is not a good consumer experience. But I also do not believe that version is designed for consumer usage. I think it is for institutional usage. Any salesperson should convince a consumer not to buy that version. If they can't, and the consumer hasn't done enough research to know better, then too bad.

By the way, is there an All-in-One desktop with a 4K monitor available in PC? I'm pretty sure there still isn't one available with a 5K screen. I'm going to check Dell and Sony right now. If they aren't making one then I don't know who is and how you can complain about price if there is no competition in the market.
 
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Well, technically that's what my Dell's Logitech keyboard and mouse are still on: the initial single charge from when the batteries were manufactured. They're non-rechargeable Duracell AAAs.

In my experience non-rechargeable batteries tend to hold a charge longer than rechargables. I used to use rechargable AA batteries for all my electronics, but with in a few months the batteries would hold a faction of the charge they once did.

I then purchased alkaline AA in bulk at the local wholesaler and noticed right away that the one time use batteries lasted much longer.

That said, your keyboard and mouse batteries holding a charge for over a year when they are used 8 hours a day is really impressive. I would bet that it is not the norm.
 
It depends on the device. The Powershot I used to use tended to prefer nimh to alkaline.

That is true. I remember my Sony Cybershot not liking alkalines. I haven't used it in like 8 years though.

The rechargeable are probably better in the higher draining devices like cameras.

But as for the poster with the alkaline batteries lasting over a year in his keyboard and mouse, I think keyboards and similar devices would be consider low power devices. Maybe thats why they lasted that long. New rechargeable in my Bluetooth keyboards would not come anywhere close to a year on 1 charge.
 
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I wonder if the MacBook Pro will get Thunderbolt 3 and USB-C next year. It does seem odd that Apple didn't include them in the new iMac, but perhaps they see it is more beneficial for notebooks.
I'm actually quite surprised about that as well, especially considering Apple's penchant for being early adopters of up-and-coming technologies.

But in light of the fact the 21" iMac runs on Broadwell, and the fact that TB3 is only supported by Skylake, and will only be ported thru the new USB-C standard, the connectivity options on the different sized iMacs would then diverge as in TB2 via the TB port on the 21" machine vs TB3 via USB-C on the 27" desktop.

That's the only thing that I can think of at the moment that makes the slightest sense. For power users on the aio iMac desktops, a bit of a disappointment.
 
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Seems like the 27" is the way to go. Extra $300 buys you 5K screen vs 4K, discrete GPU, 7200 RPM drive, Skylake architecture.

Except most people can barely afford the entry level iMac, much less another $300 pushing the price of a beater used car for crappy innards.

They should be shot for the hard drive alone.... its that little crap that has turned me off of apple so much in the past several years. For those price points, a better hard drive with fusion at the base price give them more than ample margin.... are they trying to discourage sales?
 
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