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2016-2017 NFL Season Thread

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Applejuiced said:
Hey there's also QB's that went to the final 1 time and won.
So that makes them undefeated in the Superbowl too :D
Are they also the greatest since it doesn't matter how many you win, if you lose any you're not considered? :D lol
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Exactly. Why aren't we talking about Jeff Hostetler, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer and Doug Williams?

I mean, if all we have to do is look at the guys who are undefeated in Super Bowls, we can raise all kinds of mediocrity to GOAT status! :)

Heck, maybe I'm the GOAT! :p
 
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TheBean75 said:
All of this right here. Up until the twilight years. Montana had less of a chance because of the era he played in taking a bigger toll on the body. QB's weren't protected by the rules they are now.

I'm not saying Brady isn't getting hit, he's just not suffering the same kind of hits QBs did in the past. If Montana played the game today, he wouldn't have been so banged up, and he would have decimated with the rules favoring offense.
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We can't say that for sure. Peyton Manning had the benefit of those same rules, yet we saw how badly his abilities deteriorated last year. It's possible Cool Joe could have played well in his later years. There's no way to tell.

TheBean75 said:
And if Brady wins a couple more....in my mind would he surpass Montana. Prolly not. 11-0 TD-Int is too damn hard to overlook. The job of the QB is to protect the ball when you release it. Montana did exactly that, on every pass, against the best opposing team the league could throw at him..... 4 times.
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Exactly why I was in the Cool Joe is GOAT for 20 plus years after his retirement. In his prime, he far surpasses anyone, ANYONE, with his passing skills. He rarely threw a bad pass, he protected his receivers by placing the ball where they can catch it without having to over extend. I see a lot of receivers getting clobbered as soon as the ball is in their hands back in the day. That's partly why they have the defenseless player rules now.

If I build an all time team to play for 5 years, Cool Joe would be my QB, hands down. But if that teams needs to play for 15 years, I'd take Brady.
 
Mousse said:
We can't say that for sure. Peyton Manning had the benefit of those same rules, yet we saw how badly his abilities deteriorated last year. It's possible Cool Joe could have played well in his later years. There's no way to tell.



Exactly why I was in the Cool Joe is GOAT for 20 plus years after his retirement. In his prime, he far surpasses anyone, ANYONE, with his passing skills. He rarely threw a bad pass, he protected his receivers by placing the ball where they can catch it without having to over extend. I see a lot of receivers getting clobbered as soon as the ball is in their hands back in the day. That's partly why they have the defenseless player rules now.

If I build an all time team to play for 5 years, Cool Joe would be my QB, hands down. But if that teams needs to play for 15 years, I'd take Brady.
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Then I guess Brady even exceeds your criteria about passing skills. Go compare their lifetime stats.
 
Applejuiced said:
No bother at all, we're just having a discussion and Im stating my opinion along with facts and stats that all :)
Nothing personal at all.
Does it bother you that we see Brady as the GOAT?
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Not at all, it was one of the premises you started with in post #1383 (I'd post it but I suck with the quoting features).

If we don't agree with what you say, we are just haters (paraphrased).

I have nothing against the Patriots (other than the 59-0 drubbing they gave my Titans a ways back in the snow), Bill Belichek (Who I see easily as the greatest coach of all time. Cheating/noncheating whatever, the man can coach up just about anybody.), and Brady (who I see as one of the greatest of all times, just not THE greatest).
 
Some might argue that Otto Graham is the GOAT QB. Seriously, 10 straight championship game appearances with a win in 7 of them. Those are some incredible numbers.

Otto Graham started his professional career in Cleveland during the 1946 season. At the time the Browns played in the All American Football Conference (AAFC). In that season Graham lead the Browns to their 1st Championship and the team finished with a 12-2 record. The winning did not stop there. The Browns went on to win the 1947, 1948 and 1949 AAFC Championship prior to entering the NFL in 1950. During his first 4 seasons he played in 54 games and had 86 TD’s and 10,085 yards passing in total. Many people considered the AAFC to be the minor leagues so to speak. The Browns were not expected to be as dominant in the NFL.

The critics were completely wrong with their assumption. Graham had almost the same numbers in the NFL as he did in the AAFC. Graham would play in 72 games in the NFL and have 88 TD’s and 13,499 yards passing. Graham and the Browns made the Championship game from 1950 to 1955. In total Graham led the Browns to 10 straight championship games with them winning 7 of them. The only years during this period where they did not win a championship was 1951, 1952 and 1953. Their playoff record was 9-3 during those 10 seasons.
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https://americansportshistory.com/2013/01/08/otto-graham-the-greatest-quarterback-ever/

Personally, I think Brady deserves the title and Montana is a close second.
 
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TheBean75 said:
Not at all, it was one of the premises you started with in post #1383 (I'd post it but I suck with the quoting features).

If we don't agree with what you say, we are just haters (paraphrased).

I have nothing against the Patriots (other than the 59-0 drubbing they gave my Titans a ways back in the snow), Bill Belichek (Who I see easily as the greatest coach of all time. Cheating/noncheating whatever, the man can coach up just about anybody.), and Brady (who I see as one of the greatest of all times, just not THE greatest).
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Not you directly, but theres many many Patriots haters out there in general. Dont you agree:D
Patriots are the most hated NFL team out there by recent polls and off course people want to see someone else win eventually.
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I will say that I heard a sports radio show in my area say, before the game, that if the Patriots won and Brady got MVP that he, meaning Brady, would definitely take that opportunity to make a comment about Goodell or the situation in some way. The broadcaster was sure of this based on some insider information or something. Hearing that, my heart sank a bit as I just thought doing such would be extremely unnecessary and in poor taste. So, to my delight, Brady handled himself with class and didn't take any cheap shots, at least not that I heard about. He let the moment speak for itself, which it overwhelmingly did.
 
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Applejuiced said:
That 11-0 record means nothing that Patriots haters like to mention.
The job of the QB is to win games period. Working as a team and getting to the "W" without ever giving up till the last second is what matters not to protect the ball when you release it. Nonsense....
Keep living in the past. The game is very different, improved and better than it was 30 years ago when Montana played. Montana did not accomplish half of the things Brady did so far and would never have won a game like yesterdays or the many 4th quarter comebacks that Brady played his heart out over the years.
Call me when another QB makes it to 7 Super Bowls, wins 5 of them and passes the wins and the stats that Tom Brady has so far and that will only keep improving since I dont see him retiring yet.
He's the Michael Jordan of Football. Tom Brady simply gets it done. Undisputed GOAT without a doubt with the greatest comeback in super bowl history yesterday!
Brady turned the game around, Edelman made a great catch but also dropped a lot of passes earlier during the game. One good catch doesn't make you the MVP. If anything James White played better and had more touchdowns and yardage than Julian. But without a doubt the MVP of the game is Tom Brady with his unbelievable 4th quarter and overtime winning drives.

Enjoy the video:D
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1253068281450430
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What is the big deal with having to call him the greatest?
Are we supposed to bow down to him?
To you?
Who cares?
For the record, the game isn't that different from when Montana played.
Belichek (sp?) is as good a coach as there is.
The team and the Organization is really on top of their game that much is for sure.
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mscriv said:
I will say that I heard a sports radio show in my area say, before the game, that if the Patriots won and Brady got MVP that he, meaning Brady, would definitely take that opportunity to make a comment about Goodell or the situation in some way. The broadcaster was sure of this based on some insider information or something. Hearing that, my heart sank a bit as I just thought doing such would be extremely unnecessary and in poor taste. So, to my delight, Brady handled himself with class and didn't take any cheap shots, at least not that I heard about. He let the moment speak for itself, which it overwhelmingly did.
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yeah, Brady isn't an ass hole
 
mscriv said:
I will say that I heard a sports radio show in my area say, before the game, that if the Patriots won and Brady got MVP that he, meaning Brady, would definitely take that opportunity to make a comment about Goodell or the situation in some way. The broadcaster was sure of this based on some insider information or something. Hearing that, my heart sank a bit as I just thought doing such would be extremely unnecessary and in poor taste. So, to my delight, Brady handled himself with class and didn't take any cheap shots, at least not that I heard about. He let the moment speak for itself, which it overwhelmingly did.
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Agreed. I'm glad that Tom decided to let his play on the field make his statement for him.
 
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ucfgrad93 said:
Agreed. I'm glad that Tom decided to let his play on the field make his statement for him.
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Which we always knew he would, right?

I've never seen or heard of Brady being a complete douche.

Radio sports show host, yes.

I'm not a Brady fan per se, or a Patriot fan, but anyone thinking he'd do anything less than deport himself in a truly classy manor is a fool.
 
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rhett7660 said:
Pulling for the Falcons. I just hope it is a nail biter down to the last seconds of the fourth quarter type game!
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I'd say you got your wish.
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SactoGuy18 said:
Five years ago, ESPN's Michelle Beadle had the hashtag #PeopleAgainstThePatriots going on Twitter--and publicly announced it on the SportsNation TV show.
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That sounds on par for ESPN. They are a bunch of complete shills for the league.
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AustinIllini said:
TO should probably be in the HOF, as well.
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Yes, that was a travesty. And I'm biased, but I think Ty Law should have made it as well. Both will likely get it at some point.
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pachyderm said:
Falcon's D just get tired or what?

Also, I'd love to hear what the Pat's OC & DCs were thinking at halftime. The adjustments they made were solid. Did the Belichik simply tell his OC to stop calling stupid plays?
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I'm assuming the ATL D got very tired. Counting penalties and the 2-point conversions, New England had a hundred and one offensive snaps.

I think the biggest adjustment NE made was they stopped giving the ball to Blount. Guy was worse than useless out there. He gets it into the endzone from the 1, and, once every week or two, he has some crazy play that everyone talks about. Otherwise he's completely mediocre.
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Mousse said:
I have been in the Montana is GOAT camp for a long time. But after yesterday, IMO, Brady deserves that title.
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I honestly don't get too worked up about that. Different eras, different rules, etc. There's a group of all-time greats, and both Montana and Brady are in it. I don't think there's any way to definitively rank them.
 
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pachyderm said:
What is the big deal with having to call him the greatest?
Are we supposed to bow down to him?
To you?
Who cares?
For the record, the game isn't that different from when Montana played.
Belichek (sp?) is as good a coach as there is.
The team and the Organization is really on top of their game that much is for sure.
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yeah, Brady isn't an ass hole
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No one needs to bow down, in my opinion and many others he is the GOAT NFL QB period.
Its just a discussion, we care and are talking about it. Brady is very special and the type of athlete you only see once in a lifetime.
He is a fierce competitor and has worked hard to get where he is today. Not to mention he's a professional on and off the field.
In my opinion the game is very different than it was and the way is being played now 30 years later. Many different rules, added safety, salary cap era and many many other things.
 
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Amendola rocking a fire Goddell jersey awesome.

Falcons fired their oc wow, dc won't return and another guy has been fired. Seems like Blank is going berserk
 
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