I looked around for an existing thread, but did not locate one. If there is one, please send me a link and I'll ask that this thread be combined. I've got another thread floating around here where I complain about the cost of new Macs. I've had my 2016 MBP 13" for several weeks now and overall, I am pleased with it except for it's excessive price, which I talk about in the Cons section. I downgraded from a 15" 2011 MBP with dedicated graphics and so far have not taken much of a hit using it (the 2011 model) as a benchmark. Pros- MacOS- still as wonderful as always. Typical Computer Tasks- It shines for everything I need, utility, productivity, graphics, (except gaming). Touchbar- added functionality as long as it has longevity. SSD- is a step up for speed on Mac hardware. Lighter- less weight, smaller profile. Neutral- Gaming Pt1- The Mac should not primarily be considered a gaming machine. I'm about where I was with my 2011 15" MBP, because while very capable, my 2011 would not play ARK: Survival Evolved or Fallout 4. For those specifically interested in gaming, I've started a thread to identify suitable games for the 2016 13" Mac (see my sig for specs). Based on where I'm at in my life, retired and not traveling as much, I could not justify the $$ increase for dedicated graphics while traveling. See expense and gaming below. Cons- Expense- Overpriced for what you get. I predict that the high cost of owning Mac hardware will eventually be it's Achilles heal in both computers and tablets. Right now people are still willing to pay the price, but will this continue? Yes, the MacOS is wonderful, but it's not everything. I am still a Mac fan and could of opted for a MacBook Air, but I wanted a heftier computer and do resent paying this much ($2000) for a laptop with limited graphics capability. I find my self seriously considering the dark side for my next primary computer. (Note, I all ready have a PC desktop that I use for AAA gaming ($1000), and could switch right now, but I'm still vested in the Mac ecosystem. Touchbar- No dedicated ESC key, although there is a provision to assign the ESC key to another key, but you'll have to give up something like your Caps key. Question about longevity, in other words, it's something new that can break. Fingers crossed it holds up. Windows- The Touchbar may be a hindrance when using Windows. As does it work under Windows? I've not fully explored this. USB-C- Is small always better? I'll vote no. The loss of the mag-safe power connection is a significant step backwards, no matter how you cut it, size be damned. In addition while small, the USB-C connection used for both the power connection and peripherals is appears more fragile and susceptible to bending versus traditional USB connectors. I've not researched it, but this may be the trend for all laptops including PC. Gaming Pt2- In general paying approx $3000 for a laptop to get dedicated graphics is an outrage. This is why the 15" MacBook Pro is no longer a viable option for me and why I chose the the 13" MBP this time. Yes, I could afford to spend $3000 on a computer, but I could not justify it, period. Back in 2011, the 15" MBP with dedicated graphics (approx $2400) was actually competitive for AAA gaming, but my impression is that in this regard, it has slid backwards for graphic power, as compared to it's PC competition. If this is your only computer, and you feel the need for gaming on it as a primary activity, go with a PC for $500 or more in savings. Look at these prices for PC Laptops reported to have dedicated graphics.