I will quote this when we all get tracking numbers leaving China. The stock ones may be in the US. I've never had a MacBook preorder ship from the US before. But I've always done BTO.
Let me rephrase....anyone with a BTO MacBook Pro with TB will not see it before Nov 15th. I have a strong feeling the non-stock ones aren't in the US either. Stores are reporting they won't have demos for weeks.
No bro. Lol.
Plenty of people had delivery dates TODAY to this weekend, just a few pages back there was an IG post with one in a coffee shop.
Myself and many many others have a 14th delivery date.
Apple had said to many including me that the first batches were shipping to the US yesterday and earlier in the week. Who knows if it's true, but if it is it debunks what you've said.
And as someone who has preordered before, they actually do often ship from the US, it's really only iPhones that strictly ship from China. Macs have previously shipped from the US all the time.
You have not a clue when people will see their machines so stop spreading misinformation.