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I don't understand most people's obsession with wireless everything. What is so wrong about a cable? Especially in a vehicle, where you're gonna want to charge your phone anyway.

Not always. I have an older Subaru with a bluetooth adapter plugged into the Aux port. I love that I can get into my car and hit play without ever taking the phone out of my pocket.
 
Yeah, but it has an ICE and has to be manually driven. Sales are plummeting because of that and I don't think Carplay, wireless or not, is going to save it.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. That's why BMW just announced their fifth consecutive year of record sales?

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/glob...fth-consecutive-record-sales-year?language=en

Oh and btw, the new 5-series offers Tesla-autopilot-like driving and self-parking capabilities, along with some features Tesla doesn't offer, like the ability to remotely tap into 360 degree cameras from a phone or tablet to check on the car while it's parked.
 
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About time Apple and BMW started working closer to better integrate their products. How much longer before I can use the Waze app on my BMW iDrive display?
That has nothing to do with BMW, it's about Apple allowing anything else than their wonderful Maps app on Car Play. So I wouldn't hold my breath.
 
I don't understand most people's obsession with wireless everything. What is so wrong about a cable? Especially in a vehicle, where you're gonna want to charge your phone anyway.
I can tell you don't work in this industry. With this kind of thinking, we'd never have advancements in any field.
 
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. That's why BMW just announced their fifth consecutive year of record sales?

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/glob...fth-consecutive-record-sales-year?language=en

Absolutely no mention of the 7 Series. They have to look to the segments/markets where Tesla isn't competing with them (yet) to find anything good to talk about.

https://electrek.co/2016/10/12/tesl...uxury-sedan-market-beating-mercedes-bmw-audi/

Tesla is very rapidly ramping up production. By 2020, Tesla will have overtaken BMW in sales, from a combination of BMW's sales falling and from Tesla continuing to raise production to meet demand.

Oh and btw, the new 5-series offers Tesla-autopilot-like driving and self-parking capabilities, along with some features Tesla doesn't offer, like the ability to remotely tap into 360 degree cameras from a phone or tablet to check on the car while it's parked.

But no software update for their existing cars. You have to go and buy a whole new car. It's like buying most Android phones - new software is available, but you're not going to get it without buying a whole new product.

Also, Tesla's autopilot smokes the crap that BMW offers:
http://www.caranddriver.com/feature...logy-of-semi-autonomy-and-test-results-page-6

As far as the ability to remotely view your car's camera via an app, that's pretty cool. Tesla will likely roll out that feature in an official software update, no payment required.

Most of the auto industry just doesn't get it yet, and neither does MacRumors, based on the positive spin they give every CarPlay article. This isn't (or shouldn't be) a hardware change. You shouldn't have to buy a whole new car to get this feature. This should be an over the air update, free of charge. Go to sleep one night, wake up, and your car should have learned a new trick.
 
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Another BMW nickel and dime option, they charge $300 for the CarPlay option.
They really are worse than Apple. No updates for late model systems. They would probably charge the same price to update it, plus a additional fee for labor.
 
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Absolutely no mention of the 7 Series. They have to look to the segments/markets where Tesla isn't competing with them (yet) to find anything good to talk about.

https://electrek.co/2016/10/12/tesl...uxury-sedan-market-beating-mercedes-bmw-audi/

Tesla is very rapidly ramping up production. By 2020, Tesla will have overtaken BMW in sales, from a combination of BMW's sales falling and from Tesla continuing to raise production to meet demand.

You appeared to be talking about all BMW sales which is why I corrected you. It's true the new 7-series hasn't taken off like BMW had hoped, although the sales numbers aren't quite as dismal as the above article makes it seem - BMW sells most of their 7-series in China. Still, the Model S is clearly serving as formidable competition in that segment.

I'm not as optimistic as you are about Tesla overtaking BMW in sales in just four years - in fact, I'd be willing to be a lot of money that if it ever happens, it will take a lot longer than four years. BMW sold >2.2 million cars last year, and projects to sell even more this year. Tesla is expected to deliver ~80,000 cars this year. They are growing fast and successful launches of the Model 3 (and Model Y, if it arrives before 2020) will help it grow, but there's a LONG gulf between 80k cars and >2M.

BMW sells over a dozen different models (not counting all the different engine and powertrain variations) - I suspect if Tesla ever gets to that kind of volume, they will need to sell more than four models.

But no software update for their existing cars. You have to go and buy a whole new car. It's like buying most Android phones - new software is available, but you're not going to get it without buying a whole new product.

Very true, and one of my biggest frustrations with BMW. They claim to be working on improving that, but they have a long way to go. They just recently started doing OTA map updates (only free for four years which is pathetic compared to Tesla). The next generation 3-series (coming in 2018/2019) is supposed to receive OTA updates for just about all software (with some exceptions, like perhaps the engine computer).

I'm not sure if the new 5-series is shipping with that new software architecture, but I suspect not.

Also, Tesla's autopilot smokes the crap that BMW offers:
http://www.caranddriver.com/feature...logy-of-semi-autonomy-and-test-results-page-6

As far as the ability to remotely view your car's camera via an app, that's pretty cool. Tesla will likely roll out that feature in an official software update, no payment required.

Most of the auto industry just doesn't get it yet, and neither does MacRumors, based on the positive spin they give every CarPlay article. This isn't (or shouldn't be) a hardware change. You shouldn't have to buy a whole new car to get this feature. This should be an over the air update, free of charge. Go to sleep one night, wake up, and your car should have learned a new trick.

I'm sure BMW is going to be improving it's assisted driving capabilities every year, but we won't know how much until people get a chance to test it late this year or early next. I expect Tesla to continue to be ahead for the foreseeable future.

I do completely agree about car updates. Traditional car manufacturers are too used to dripping "new" features in every model year as a reason for people (often on short leases) to move to the latest and greatest model. I hope Tesla continues to be successful enough that they force the industry to change.
 
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I'm sure BMW is going to be improving it's assisted driving capabilities every year, but we won't know how much until people get a chance to test it late this year or early next. I expect Tesla to continue to be ahead for the foreseeable future.

Better that they improve the real driving characteristics of the 3 series before the assisted, the F30 LCI even with it's improved steering is not a match for the previous E90. Since the F30 the 3 series has not been on the 10 best lists. Short term market share gains has a lot of purists questioning "The Ultimate Driving Machine".
 
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Better that they improve the real driving characteristics of the 3 series before the assisted, the F30 LCI even with it's improved steering is not a match for the previous E90. Since the F30 the 3 series has not been on the 10 best lists. Short term market share gains has a lot of purists questioning "The Ultimate Driving Machine".

I hope they can do both. There is hope that the 5 series will perform better as it's supposedly dropping almost 200 pounds despite being the same size, and hopefully the same will be true of the next gen 3 series in 2019.
 
Maybe because VW is a toxic brand and Apple didn't want to be associated with them...

Volkswagen's brand is far more reaching than meets the naked eye. Volkswagen AG owns brands including Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Porsche, Ducati, and a few lesser known brands here in US, Scania and MAN (Trucking companies) as well as SEAT and SKODA, former eastern European car mfgs. So, while VW AG has some wear and tear on their shady reports in the last year or so, overall, a very strong brand as a whole.
 
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