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If the iPhone 2017 does indeed look like the render above with the edge to edge display.......what will all the apple fans say that have knocked the Galaxy S7 Edge? What will they say now that Apple has the exact same thing? Will they still say it is just a gimmick? Apple following the market trends again.....they used to lead.
Seems like some hyperbole and generizations are in that post.
 
These hole-punched screens in iPhone concepts need to stop, they're so ridiculous. Why on earth would you want the earpiece speaker to interrupt whatever content in on the screen at all times?
Well, you would put the earpiece speaker into the place where the status bar is. It will be up to the user whether to engage a full screen mode : in most cases little speaker rectangle would not matter.
Patent application: http://www.google.com/patents/US20140289668

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The second thing that needs to happen is for Apple to implement some major OS changes to support edge touch detection so that it knows the difference between holding the phone or a finger partially on the side of the screen vs actually trying to interact with the screen. Even today with iOS 9.3 this is not a feature as if my thumb is even partially touching the edge of my iPad screen I can't do anything proper until I move it, for instance, it registers as two finger touch and will try to scale.
You are correct: this would be a challenge. This patent application addresses this challenge in a number of ways by establishing the "virtual bezel".

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Or watching 16:9 video without your fingers obscuring part of it.
My Galaxy S7 Edge already practically has no side bezel and this is not an issue at all while watching videos: the screen is not covered much by fingers holding those edges.
 
Well, you would put the earpiece speaker into the place where the status bar is. It will be up to the user whether to engage a full screen mode : in most cases little speaker rectangle would not matter.

Actually, there would be no cut out for the speaker, they would just transmit the sound through the glass. The bigger problem would be the camera and sensors.

The biggest question for me is exactly how they plan on embedding Touch ID. How would they prevent accidental screen activations? There are times now when I slip my phone into my pocket with the screen facing my leg, and the fabric is so thin, the electricity from my thigh activates things. Touching the screen would necessarily need to activate the screen to locate the Touch ID button, place a finger on it and unlock. Otherwise, there's a press of the power button which takes an extra step over what happens now. Indeed a virtual Touch ID would extend the process unless the whole bottom portion of the iPhone is now the Touch ID sensor. But still, not sure how the phone will lock out accidental screen activations, without making it less convenient than it is now.
 
Yeah right, even the camera lens, the proximity sensor and the front speaker are in the screen........this is never going to happen.
I agree. While I love the concept, the reality is that this concept is easily 2-3 large technological steps beyond where they are right now. They won't be changing that radically in the course of a year or year and a half.
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Yay! Now I'll have to use my phone sitting flat on my hand so multitouch doesn't get confused about my gripping hand holding the phone. Seriously, go try and hold a GS6 Edge and use it with any part of your fingers touching the sides.

People who like this have no grasp on reality...

The capacitive region of the glass could stop where the old bezel was or they could track continuous contact as hand holding the device or any number of other reasonably obvious and achievable solutions. What you're describing are implementation details not insurmountable problems.
 
I agree. While I love the concept, the reality is that this concept is easily 2-3 large technological steps beyond where they are right now. They won't be changing that radically in the course of a year or year and a half.
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The capacitive region of the glass could stop where the old bezel was or they could track continuous contact as hand holding the device or any number of other reasonably obvious and achievable solutions. What you're describing are implementation details not insurmountable problems.

I agree. But if the home button is removed, how will they prevent the screen from activating accidentally when locked, and still be as efficient as the current home/Touch ID button?
 
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I agree. But if the home button is removed, how will they prevent the screen from activating accidentally when locked, and still be as efficient as the current home/Touch ID button?

Strictly speaking, I don't think the home button is absolutely necessary. I had/loved a Nokia Lumia 920 for years(until I broke it playing with my daughter), it didn't have a physical home button and I honestly can't say that it felt like it needed one.

I doubt Apple will be ditching this feature any time soon though, so yeah you raise an important UI consideration.
 
The capacitive region of the glass could stop where the old bezel was or they could track continuous contact as hand holding the device or any number of other reasonably obvious and achievable solutions. What you're describing are implementation details not insurmountable problems.

Visible screen that is not responsive like the rest is a really poor idea.

They might be able to solve it similar to the palm rejection, yes. Now... about that content on the very edge I can't see because it's partly hidden. Oh.. that's right. I need to open my hand and flat palm my phone to see it... Right back where we started.

Edge to edge is a piss poor design choice for a device meant to be used on the go.
 
First of all this is all completely hypothetical.

Secondly, there's nothing wrong with having a small portion of the visible screen be off limits to user interaction. It happens all the time in user interfaces(e.g. the status bar). Your strong personal feelings aside, there's nothing inherently wrong with having edge to edge display for a more or less aesthetic effect. Where you're right is in the assertion that it shouldn't be the source of unwanted or unintended user input. That is clearly poor user experience.
 
I agree. But if the home button is removed, how will they prevent the screen from activating accidentally when locked, and still be as efficient as the current home/Touch ID button?
They can just use a special gesture which cannot be achieved accidentally.
 
Visible screen that is not responsive like the rest is a really poor idea.

They might be able to solve it similar to the palm rejection, yes. Now... about that content on the very edge I can't see because it's partly hidden. Oh.. that's right. I need to open my hand and flat palm my phone to see it... Right back where we started.

Edge to edge is a piss poor design choice for a device meant to be used on the go.

But a really tiny bezel would work and the 5.5 model wouldn't be so uncomfortable to hold and use one handed
 
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I don't recall any rumors that indicated the 6 would be a minor update, to be followed by a significantly redesigned iPhone in 2015. This is new rumor territory we've entered here. There were minor rumors in the past about Apple skipping an 's' model, but nothing close to the level we're seeing now.

Not that the 6 would be minor, but that it would feature edge to edge screen with integrated home button. Seems to be a regurgitated rumor.
 
Sold my 6S Plus and got a Galaxy S7 Edge. Far, far superior to 6S now and the Iphone 7 when it comes out. You think the stock is tanking now? Wait.
 
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Sold my 6S Plus and got a Galaxy S7 Edge. Far, far superior to 6S now and the Iphone 7 when it comes out. You think the stock is tanking now? Wait.
So you know this without knowing anything about cpu, ram, storage, megapixels, graphics engine, internal components, screen, waterproofing, high def audio etc. stock is going up btw.
 
Sold my 6S Plus and got a Galaxy S7 Edge. Far, far superior to 6S now and the Iphone 7 when it comes out. You think the stock is tanking now? Wait.
Yep wait until the iPhone 7 underwhelms...the stock will go down even more :)
 


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Rumors of the Apple iPhone having a full-frontal screen have been around for years. As in, YEARS. Apple has never delivered. It will never happen for whatever reason Apple doesn't want it to happen.

Also, I'd like to point out that that Concept above is terrible. The phone speaker line running through the screen is going to get old fast, very fast. You will hate it. If you are going to do a concept like this, at least do it right. Remove the speaker from the screen and put it at the top edge of the phone at the very least. The Selfie Cam will obviously have to go, on-screen camera hasn't been invented yet. But on-screen fingerprint scanner is here so that may be done -- except it's Android that's doing it and not Apple thanks to LG.


Anyway... the iPhone has quickly become a joke, same design, nothing new happening really, just playing catch up with Android and re-releasing 2 year old designs just to use up old surplus parts. It's embarrassing really.

Have to praise Apple for the last big innovation -- fingerprint scanners. That was a great innovation and it caught on real quick, everyone is doing it now. But that was literally the last innovation Apple has made with Smartphones.

Will the iPhone 7 hopefully change that? Who knows. People seem to be more interested chasing Concepts from the next wannabe Jony Ives designer than actually looking for real iPhone 7 information.
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What about projectors and projection systems? Wouldn't that be a game changer? What about making the device a solid piece of glass, essentially making the entire phone completely clear when its not powered on? What about making the device as thin as a piece of paper, as well as making it flexible?

Those would all be game changers and substantial leaps in technology. Are we saying that those things are impossible? That they will never be done? Of course they will be eventually. Just a matter of when it happens.

Projectors are not a game changer. Samsung has been making Projector phones since like 2011 or something. They didn't catch on. You know Samsung -- they throw everything to the wall and wait to see what sticks. Projector phones isn't one of those things that stuck.

Clear glass or thin flexi phones would probably be a game changer, clear glass is going to be a long way coming that sort of technology isn't going to exist for decades at least. Thin flexi phones though are already on the way there are prototypes for them, not paper thin but the design concept is there. Actual paper-thin phones? Those won't be made for another 50 years if ever. Technology is nowhere near close to making that kind of thing a reality.
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They can just use a special gesture which cannot be achieved accidentally.

Or they could put the fingerprint scanner at the back of the phone. The home button is not necessary. I have used an iPad Mini 1G since it came out and never used the homebutton. Multi-touch gestures are all you need, and to power on the device just use the power button.
 
Rumors of the Apple iPhone having a full-frontal screen have been around for years. As in, YEARS. Apple has never delivered. It will never happen for whatever reason Apple doesn't want it to happen.

Also, I'd like to point out that that Concept above is terrible. The phone speaker line running through the screen is going to get old fast, very fast. You will hate it. If you are going to do a concept like this, at least do it right. Remove the speaker from the screen and put it at the top edge of the phone at the very least. The Selfie Cam will obviously have to go, on-screen camera hasn't been invented yet. But on-screen fingerprint scanner is here so that may be done -- except it's Android that's doing it and not Apple thanks to LG.


Anyway... the iPhone has quickly become a joke, same design, nothing new happening really, just playing catch up with Android and re-releasing 2 year old designs just to use up old surplus parts. It's embarrassing really.

Have to praise Apple for the last big innovation -- fingerprint scanners. That was a great innovation and it caught on real quick, everyone is doing it now. But that was literally the last innovation Apple has made with Smartphones.

Will the iPhone 7 hopefully change that? Who knows. People seem to be more interested chasing Concepts from the next wannabe Jony Ives designer than actually looking for real iPhone 7 information.
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Projectors are not a game changer. Samsung has been making Projector phones since like 2011 or something. They didn't catch on. You know Samsung -- they throw everything to the wall and wait to see what sticks. Projector phones isn't one of those things that stuck.

Clear glass or thin flexi phones would probably be a game changer, clear glass is going to be a long way coming that sort of technology isn't going to exist for decades at least. Thin flexi phones though are already on the way there are prototypes for them, not paper thin but the design concept is there. Actual paper-thin phones? Those won't be made for another 50 years if ever. Technology is nowhere near close to making that kind of thing a reality.
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Or they could put the fingerprint scanner at the back of the phone. The home button is not necessary. I have used an iPad Mini 1G since it came out and never used the homebutton. Multi-touch gestures are all you need, and to power on the device just use the power button.
Touch ID, 64 bit and 3dt were the last cell phone innovations. Everything else has been incremental improvements across the board .
 
It's been awhile since I was extremely excited for an iPhone but a design like this would have me throwing money at the screen. I was really looking forward to upgrading from my 6 but this years phone seems like it's going to be a major let down. Probably will just have to wait it out till 2017 unfortunately.
 
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