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I don't think many 2016 owners will be selling their laptops, unless gaming or video is high priority and that person is making a living from the better GPU. Besides it seems like High Sierra will be a nice upgrade performance wise for everyone.

Exactly. I think the most exciting news was the embracing of external GPUs.
 
Pretty sad how there was such a small upgrade for the machine. I was really hoping for a 32GB RAM option but yet again apple fails once again. Its been 5 years on 16 GB RAM I mean come on Apple. I have a 2013 rMBP which has the GT 650M basically dating all the way back to 2011 how insane that they are essentially forcing me to stay on this machine.
 
How dare you introduce facts and real experience while a few regular haters continue their rants over things they don't even own.

Wanna hear how a brand new Dell (costing 3200.00) locked up while tethered to a Canon 5ds and cost us 3 hours of shooting along with studio time? I said "never again" 5 years ago to Windows and now I've said it again.


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I should have also mentioned I have both Photoshop and Final Cut Pro open all day and never close out the programs until I go home. Sometimes I have 15 images in Photoshop open while I'm editing 4K footage, but what do I know... I guess someone who never used one knows more than us...
 
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What kind of work do you do on it?

I'm a Web developer. The most resource heavy thing thing I do is run Web servers and databases in a dev environment. I run some large and resource intensive sites. I was hoping to see a much bigger improvement in my dev server performance, but only got a modest bump up.

That said, I had a 2TB Samsung 850 EVO SSD in my 2012 and when I installed that, it completely changed my 2012 Unibody from an aging workhorse to something I could ride for as long as I needed until I saw a replacement that I liked enough.

I almost didn't make the upgrade to the 2016. There wasn't much in the 2016 that made me feel like I had to have that upgrade, but there was one that I couldn't pass up... the 5K monitor. I hated everything about my 2016 except for the 5K monitor at first, but a lot of the other features have grown on me.

Even if I continued to hate the machine, the 5K monitor alone was worth it. My eyes thank me every day.

I do some Photoshop as well and use Capture One Pro to manage and edit RAW Photos. I think the strain of having to pump out all the extra pixels for the 5K monitor dampened some of the performance boost I might otherwise have expected in those areas.
 
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My guess would be that any leftover stock goes into the refurbished/replacement unit pipeline, but honestly I am just guessing.
in my country the apple store never offers dated macs
i wonder what's done with them
 
Don't know how you're doing that because you can say what you want a 965m is crap and I work with maya and im a video editor and trying to edit 4K video was a struggle on my old laptop that had a 965m I had to upgrade it .. I'm not bashing it its fact. I have the razer blade pro with a gtx 1080 that costs less than a maxed out 2016 MacBook Pro and I can blow whistles around it. But I'm not here to measure junk with anyone I'm just stating facts about how behind apple still is with their MacBooks




You're a video editor? For what???
My client is currently using 15" touchbar Macs to edit a 8 million dollar feature shot on Red system along with 4K taps. Meanwhile, back in NY, the top post production house is also editing TV and theater spots on them.

Please stop the nonsense. Use whatever tool you want and stop with the system bashing. If the MBP doesn't do what you need, move on. I don't know of any computer that can fill every need.

Have a great day,


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This is fantastic.

It sure is! It's truly the best of both worlds. I can keep the portability of the 13" MacBook Pro when I'm on the go or doing light projects and when I need extra power, I can just plug in and go from a wimpy Intel Iris 550 to a beastly desktop class AMD Radeon RX 580 with 8GB of VRAM.

Here's the link for anyone interested: https://developer.apple.com/development-kit/external-graphics/

Right now, it's only available to people who are registered Apple developers but this is definitely a step in the right direction and I'm sure Apple will offer external GPU casings to regular customers when the new Mac OS becomes officially available. Needless to say though, I am VERY happy with the way Apple treated the Macs and their Pro users at WWDC today.

Yeah, the built in graphics on the 2016 and 2017 MacBooks are not the greatest but with this decision, Apple has given us the ability and support to have graphics power that far exceeds anything that can fit into a laptop this thin.
 
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You're a video editor? For what???
My client is currently using 15" touchbar Macs to edit a 8 million dollar feature shot on Red system along with 4K taps. Meanwhile, back in NY, the top post production house is also editing TV and theater spots on them.

Please stop the nonsense. Use whatever tool you want and stop with the system bashing. If the MBP doesn't do what you need, move on. I don't know of any computer that can fill every need.

Have a great day,


R.
8 million shot, damned
 
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in my country the apple store never offers dated macs
i wonder what's done with them

Retailers do sometimes carry stock of previous edition Macs at a discount, but they typically have limited supplies of them. I don't know if Apple continues to provide stock on hand to those retailers or if those retailers are only selling off the remaining stock they have.
 
You're a video editor? For what???
My client is currently using 15" touchbar Macs to edit a 8 million dollar feature shot on Red system along with 4K taps. Meanwhile, back in NY, the top post production house is also editing TV and theater spots on them.

Please stop the nonsense. Use whatever tool you want and stop with the system bashing. If the MBP doesn't do what you need, move on. I don't know of any computer that can fill every need.

Have a great day,


R.

He really, really can't get his head out of the specs on paper and cannot imagine a MacBook Pro as anything more than a netbook. He cannot seem to be able to digest how a 965m equivalent (according to him) can do any modicum of decent work for the actual professional users out there.

Meanwhile, the people who actually bought it, are happy with it and use it for what it was intended to do, creating their life's work on it. The fast IO that is a pleasure to use, the sleeker form factor that is portable and feels just right to use. The far better screen, the great speakers, the list is really decent enough, marred only by Apple sticking it to us with just 8GB RAM stock.

He cannot truly understand why a Mac is what a Mac is. A Mac has always been more than a computer assembled with top of the line components and latest technologies. It has always been more about the synergy between hardware and software, stuff working reliably and people able to depend and rely on their machines in a truly surprising way. That used to be a Mac, and in many ways, still is.

I think, going as he is, he wouldn't also understand why Android saps 6GB of RAM and why the latest iOS can still wing it on an iPhone 5 with 512MB RAM. Spec-wise, the net-phone will still be smoother than the 6GB latest, and he wouldn't understand how or why.
 
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He really, really can't get his head out of the specs on paper and cannot imagine a MacBook Pro as anything more than a netbook. He cannot seem to be able to digest how a 965m equivalent (according to him) can do any modicum of decent work for the actual professional users out there.

Meanwhile, the people who actually bought it, are happy with it and use it for what it was intended to do, creating their life's work on it. The fast IO that is a pleasure to use, the sleeker form factor that is portable and feels just right to use. The far better screen, the great speakers, the list is really decent enough, marred only by Apple sticking it to us with just 8GB RAM stock.

He cannot truly understand why a Mac is what a Mac is. A Mac has always been more than a computer assembled with top of the line components and latest technologies. It has always been more about the synergy between hardware and software, stuff working reliably and people able to depend and rely on their machines in a truly surprising way. That used to be a Mac, and in many ways, still is.



Spec junkies are usually NOT the ones cutting 2 million dollar car commercials on their computers, but that is exactly what my clients production house is doing with the 2016 MBP. I'm editing photos for Tiffany on mine.

When you ask people how the new Mac effects their workflow, the silence that generally follows is deafening. A lot of these people WANT a Mac. They either can't afford it or won't afford it. It's a lot like the guy who buys a 50K Mustang and then bashes a Porsche Cayman for being slower. The Cayman IS slower, but it's also a better car. There are PC's out there with better specs than the MBP, but they're inferior machines on the whole.


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I'll take the 20% performance improvement on 2017 over 2016. The biggest difference to me is probably the 4GB VRAM standard on my $2799 model (it makes all the difference driving a 4K display)
 
20% Clock for clock the CPU performance is identical. My 2.9GHz 2016 is just as fast as the 2.9GHz 2017. Don't be fooled by headlines.

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OP, post your CL compute Geekbench?
 

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