Argh, so conflicted. I need a laptop. I've read so many threads I'm even more uncertain than when I began. Sorry for adding another one but I seek moral support. Or firm correction. A second opinion, and I trust this forum. I ordered a refurb 15" mid-2015 MBP, 16 GB RAM, 512 GB SSD from Apple and it should arrive today. I went with the 2015 for a few reasons: 1. Performance tests seem to show not much difference between the 2016 and the 2017 and the 2016 not great improvement over the 2015. 2. SSD is replaceable 3. I have only USB/TB peripherals and would have to buy dongles.. 4. Keyboard reviews. I use a big old clicky Das Keyboard with my mini (is the new Mac Mini EVER going to come?) and I love it. I'm a fast typer, I type a lot, and this keyboard is so responsive and fast. I tried that Apple wireless keyboard a few years back, and hated it. I couldn't tell when I'd pressed a key or not. It was impossible to type on. I tried the 2016 MBP keyboard. It was awful. I'm guessing that the 2015 refurb should be a good machine, plenty of power and capacity for the long term. BUT... Should I be looking at the new 2017 model without the touchbar? It's not as powerful, but it's lighter and cheaper. I don't care about the TB at all. I don't do any video editing, Lightroom and PS is about it. The refurb 2015 MBP is $1900 plus AppleCare, and the newest MBP without touch bar and 256 GB instead of 512 is about the same price. Since I have a desktop and external hard drives for storage, maybe the smaller drive would be OK. How bad is the keyboard really for fast typers? What's the worst that could happen? Will the 2015 become obsolete way before the 2017, or are they close enough that it won't matter? Am I making a big mistake? Am I overlooking something?