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2018 13-Inch MacBook Pro Teardown Finds Larger Battery, Redesigned Power Adapter, Tweaked Top Case and More

HowardEv said:
Would you consider carrying around two pieces, if the screen/keyboard was separated from the cpu, ports and storage? If a wireless screen is too slow, they could connect with a usb cable, but I bet wireless is possible now for most tasks.
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No, I still want to carry only one light (not necessarily thin) device. That is the other beauty of the ultralight laptops today - their battery life empowers a day's use out without even a power brick.
 
KPandian1 said:
No, I still want to carry only one light (not necessarily thin) device. That is the other beauty of the ultralight laptops today - their battery life empowers a day's use out without even a power brick.
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As a former road warrior (consultant) for 3 years almost 20 years ago... at that time the laptops were heavier and I came off the road with one shoulder noticeable lower than the other... and have damage to 5 C- vertebrae ... lightness is appreciated and welcome... At that time they were heavy and probably only gave you up to 3 hours on battery.
 
bkkcanuck8 said:
Chips that are on the boards rarely if ever fail. If you buy memory, they typically give you a lifetime warranty. While CPUs have typically only a 3-year warranty, they also rarely fail. In fact in my probably 40 years of using computers -- I have never had a CPU fail. A well manufactured PCB board (these days) tend to also never fail. What failed were usually mechanical parts -- or solder joints that attached things to the motherboard - especially things like slots that are more likely to have some sort of torque force applied to it during the installation and removal of components. With the older (premium) laptops like Toshiba the most common failures were the electrical plug (which was held in a plastic case and attached to the motherboard - so torque would be applied constantly), other ports - especially ethernet port, hard drives which are mechanical and wear out, etc. Other than that the next most likely fail point would be things like the monitor section which would have backlighting failures.

If you take away peoples access to the internal components and you don't allow torque on PCB boards and component solder joints the reliability goes up considerably. Basically, most of the weak points have been eliminated from current laptops and the ports are set in aluminum chassis. Unfortunately, the battery is still a consumable.

The funny thing is there are still more "repairable" electronics like TVs etc. yet in the west even if they are repairable... they never are... when was the last time someone called a TV repairperson - are there any left? Labour is expensive so people tend not to bother if the device is not working.
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The cost to replace my laptop battery when it was replaceable was within this same range -- or even more expensive [quoted about $200 from a 3rd party just for the battery]... (and that was 10 years ago). So using your logic, if Apple is having to throw away half the computer to replace the battery... they should be LOSING money hand over fist on this service replacement. We all know that that is not Apple's way...

1-inch/13-inch MacBook Air $129
13-inch MacBook (vintage) $129
13-inch/15-inch MacBook Pro $129
17-inch MacBook Pro (vintage) $179
12-inch MacBook $199
13-inch/15-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display $199

A port is usually rated for a certain number of insertions and removals (usually for USB it tends to be 10,000 or so) - this is something that is usually fairly easy to test... As long as the port is not wired directly to the motherboard, and thus torque from a possible more flexible casing lead to failure... I cannot see this being an issue.
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I have no idea what those prices are meant to be as you haven’t explained, you’ve just made some random price list next to random Apple laptops of who knows what year?
I congratulate you on your defending of Apples cost costing using plastic ports, well done. You obviously enjoy paying more for less.
 
apolloa said:
I have no idea what those prices are meant to be as you haven’t explained, you’ve just made some random price list next to random Apple laptops of who knows what year?
I congratulate you on your defending of Apples cost costing using plastic ports, well done. You obviously enjoy paying more for less.
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You are likely paying the same -- Apple tends to generally aim for the same percentage margin regardless - everything is made up of compromises. Since I doubt Apple save pennies on a port that is problematic for savings... Apple's mistakes tend to be in the area of moving too far too fast with regards to change...
 
tino1970 said:
It would have been an engineering marvel if it was repairable not just cute.

In this age where people are becoming more concerned about waste and the impact we’re having on the planet, a repair ability score of 1/10 is shameful and embarrassing.
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Not so much if it is offset by being more reliable and there is a robust resell market.
 
apolloa said:
I have no idea what those prices are meant to be as you haven’t explained, you’ve just made some random price list next to random Apple laptops of who knows what year?
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By god, do you not read what your own post and the reply at all. You were stating basically the battery replacement would turn it into a piece of junk because everything in the computer had to be replaced... The prices are the price to have your bloody battery replaced... you really think that Apple is only going to charge you $129 to $199 for a battery replacement (higher price - molded battery) if they have to replace every single component that you stated and that it would be a piece of junk??? Please be at least a little bit rational.

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The cost to replace my laptop battery when it was replaceable was within this same range -- or even more expensive [quoted about $200 from a 3rd party just for the battery]... (and that was 10 years ago). So using your logic, if Apple is having to throw away half the computer to replace the battery... they should be LOSING money hand over fist on this service replacement. We all know that that is not Apple's way...

1-inch/13-inch MacBook Air $129
13-inch MacBook (vintage) $129
13-inch/15-inch MacBook Pro $129
17-inch MacBook Pro (vintage) $179
12-inch MacBook $199
13-inch/15-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display $199
 
macintoshmac said:
While I appreciate and love the serviceability of my 2011 MBP, I do wholeheartedly appreciate the weight reduction and form factor of my 2016 MBP which means it is more portable which a laptop should be.
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To each their own. I'm not willing to sacrifice upgradability/repairability for the sake of a few mm thinner or a few grams lighter.
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Rorosbutt said:
Why are you here lolololol
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Its fun.
 
Naraxus said:
Shaved some mass off. Thinner is always in vogue at Apple regardless of the complete asininity of it all. Who needs ports, or a keyboard that actually works when you can make it thinner?
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Ursadorable said:
Honestly, the only thing Apple still offers that doesn't suck is the OS.
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jgbr said:
so 2016/2017 users are truly screwed with the keyboard front
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China made quality products, wait isn't everything made/assembled in china? Dells, Apples, MS?[/QUOTE]

The reduction in weight is welcome up until it compromises the structural integrity of the base and lid. I don't want to stand on the laptop to test if it bends, but, another 3-6 pounds left on top of the closed laptop shouldn't cave it in. People have experienced butterfly keys imprinting first in the 2015 MacBooks. Some Pros followed. Thinness is a structural problem.

The OS is good, no doubt; how much will people put up with to continue having the use of this OS!

There are Chinese made parts and there are Chinese made parts. It depends on the designers/engineers' demand of quality; these are not Chinese pencils from the 70's. China makes very good quality and very poor quality products as designed.

MacHiavelli said:
Those silicone membranes will heat, warp, and the degrade. They'll also get sticky and wreck the keys.
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No, they won't.

The silicone membranes may actually be the longest lasting component in the 2018 butterfly keyboards - that is silicone's property. I don't see it disintegrating over 8-10 years, because it is tough.

The membrane is just a fix for the design of the keys - they will break before the membrane gives up because they are defective.

A three pound laptop with all the ports of the 2015 MacBook Pro is ideal for me, with the two TB2 and one USB-A ports replaced by three USB-C ports. Leave one USB-A for another five years. MagSafe forever.
 
Naraxus said:
Shaved some mass off.....of course they did. Thinner is always in vogue at Apple regardless of the complete asininity of it all. Who needs ports, or a keyboard that actually works when you can make it thinner?
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Mass and thinner are not the same
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pl1984 said:
Keyboard is not the same as top case. Apple could, conceivably, put the 2018 keyboard in a 2016/2017 top case.
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THIS is what I am hoping. As soon as they do, I'm eating a bag of Doritos while working on my MacBook...
 
smoking monkey said:
Huh. Definitely consumer level normal AppleCare. I guess Japan's delivery service infrastructure is just really good because of how small and concentrated the country is.

This was (one of) my experience (after talking to AppleCare on the phone and setting up service).
Monday 10am. They ring your doorbell, you put your computer in a special pack they bring. Takes 1 min.
Monday 10:01am They leave...
Tuesday 4pm Doorbell rings, take your computer out of special packaging. Sign for computer.
4:01 Finished.

You can call the delivery company and organise a different time if you won't be home. They won't leave the package at your door. You can even call the driver direct and set it up with the driver.
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I just had my MBP sent in a week ago and this is how it went for me. Monday noon: system taken in to Apple Store, Tuesday: MBP shipped to repair center, Wednesday: system repaired and shipped out, Thursday: system arrives at Apple Store for pickup (could also have selected to get it at home, but would still be that same day).

I had fast and good service. They picked up, delivered, repaired and shipped out your system all on the same day? Really? That seems pretty unbelievable. I'm in Japan as well.
 
I would strongly suggest for those wondering about the new laptops from Apple to go to the local Apple Store and check them out. I am completely loving my 13" MacBook Pro..
 
smbu2000 said:
I just had my MBP sent in a week ago and this is how it went for me. Monday noon: system taken in to Apple Store, Tuesday: MBP shipped to repair center, Wednesday: system repaired and shipped out, Thursday: system arrives at Apple Store for pickup (could also have selected to get it at home, but would still be that same day).

I had fast and good service. They picked up, delivered, repaired and shipped out your system all on the same day? Really? That seems pretty unbelievable. I'm in Japan as well.
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It seems pretty unbelievable because it didn't happen and you've imagined that's what I wrote... I guess.
Give my post a reread perhaps.

smbu2000 said:
I'm in Japan as well.
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The smoking gun! You got me!!

It's all good. Enjoy the heatwave.
 
smoking monkey said:
It seems pretty unbelievable because it didn't happen and you've imagined that's what I wrote... I guess.
Give my post a reread perhaps.


The smoking gun! You got me!!

It's all good. Enjoy the heatwave.
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You said that you shipped it out and it arrived the next day repaired, right?

"They picked up, delivered, repaired and shipped out your system all on the same day?" is what I said and I was implying that after they shipped it out that it arrived the next day.

It's been so hot lately... -_-
 
smbu2000 said:
You said that you shipped it out and it arrived the next day repaired, right?

"They picked up, delivered, repaired and shipped out your system all on the same day?" is what I said and I was implying that after they shipped it out that it arrived the next day.
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Haha... No. That makes no sense.

You wrote and assumed, "They picked up, delivered, repaired and shipped out your system all on the same day".
I never wrote that. You did!
I know you didn't write "and delivered it back to me". I wasn't addressing that. I was addressing your statement in regards to the fact that you found it highly unlikely that those things happened in a single day. Because, YOU were the one who decided that those things happened in a single day!

Anyway, in your previous post --
You inferred that all those things happened in one single day.
You implied that I was telling a porky pie.
 
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