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By that logic paying one million dollars for a hamburger is a fair price, merely because you value it at one million dollars. Not how it works. Value is not entirely subjective because the value of most things is based on physical realities. Generally if you have to go such extremes to justify buying overpriced products, it's essentially confirming that you're aware that you overpayed.
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No it's not. Something can be objectively overpriced based on the market value of the things that you're physically buying. Market value is based on more than how much a fanboy likes something, because the market is complex. For example your philosophical approach to wasting money isn't going to make copper worth more than diamond no matter how much more you value copper, because the physical constraints aren't the same.
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But your silly extreme example doesn’t prove what I said incorrect either. If a Note 9 costs $999, Apple is not objectively overpriced. Apple prices are in the ballpark of the rest of the market, particularly when you consider their proprietary OS, support, and overall build quality.
Warren Buffett just said the iPhone is extremely underpriced, but can’t be priced a crazy amount higher because of competition. He’s right on both statements. The iPhone X proved how underpriced iPhones were and probably still are.
$10 versus $1M is not what we are talking about here.
Besides, I pay triple for a good hamburger all he time.
No it's not. Overpriced is as subjective a term as they come as it depends on your value system. And let's not get sidetracked by comparing a grain of sand to an ingot of gold. That is not the conversation.
The only physical cost you can count when comparing value is the materials build cost, the note with the curved screen is going to make the overall cost the same or maybe even more than the ipx, everything else is variable. Software is done once.. if you sell one unit, it becomes pricey, if you sell a 100 million, it probs adds one dollar to the build cost.. as no one spends a 100 million on software development, so if the build cost is maybe 200 dollars, and the sale price is a 1000 dollars, the ginormous margins would suggest that its already overpriced. Plus the competition pricing alone is crucial in how every one prices their wares.. right now if the ipx was 10000 dollars, how many people would buy one... in reality, a few millionaires showing off. There is a ceiling price of what folk are prepared to pay, and its very close to what the current levels are..
Prove your last statement. Apple just grew iPhone revenue high double digits because they released the iPhone X and people bought more iPhone X than any model in the lineup reported 3 quarters in a row.
People clearly love the iOS experience, Apple support, Apple design, and Apple build quality. That’s why Apple can charge the prices they do and consumers are willing to pay.
You have no way of knowing the ceiling, but a smarter person than us just said the iphone is enormously underpriced and even said he’d rather give up the plane he pays $1.5M/yr for rather than giving up his $600 iPad. That’s how much value the iPad has to him.
The iPhone is enormously useful and people want it more than literally any product in the world.
No one is talking about increasing the price 10X to $10,000, but would they pay $1200? $1300? $1500? Probably, probably, probably. Many doubted the $999 but the iPhone X was a smash hit...even called a Super Bowl winner.
It ALL depends on the Pricing & the Product Attributes.
Sales of the iPhone X have NOT been as Rosy as most of the so-called Stock Analysts (& General Public) believe !
I don't know why most are UN-able to do Simple Math, & figure that out ! ... It's NOT Rocket Science !
Everyone knows AAPL is ONLY really competing against itself, & has been for many years ... so, ONLY Pricing & the Product Attributes matter ! ... good enough to Upgrade, NOT good enough to Upgrade.
"Dedicated Burst Photo DRAM" & "Usable" DRAM are terms that "may" come into play this time around ... & if that happens, then it will be very interesting to see how things play out !
Sales of the iPhone X have NOT been as Rosy as most of the so-called Stock Analysts (& General Public) believe !
I don't know why most are UN-able to do Simple Math, & figure that out ! ... It's NOT Rocket Science !
Everyone knows AAPL is ONLY really competing against itself, & has been for many years ... so, ONLY Pricing & the Product Attributes matter ! ... good enough to Upgrade, NOT good enough to Upgrade.
"Dedicated Burst Photo DRAM" & "Usable" DRAM are terms that "may" come into play this time around ... & if that happens, then it will be very interesting to see how things play out !
So what you are really saying is smartphones in general are enormously useful. In reality they all do email, browsing, pics, gaming youtube etc. Don't give me the FaceTime Imessage rubbish, it's just video calls and web messagaging which is so cross platform via a multitude of options... unless there is one absolutely niche app rhat is only on iOS and is vital to a business for example , I've yet to meet a person who couldn't function perfectly well in a non iOS world, or the other way round, an android fan in an iOS world. Gmail, Facebook, twitter, insta, youtube. Practically the same the world over.. it's just silly brand loyalty that dictates otherwise...
Sure. Now convince iOS users their phone is a commodity and a Samsung will do the same stuff.
That’s the nut you have to crack. Very hard to do.
Lol, impossible.. I wouldn't even try.. when in reality we all know that they are disposable items, hence the fact that 7 months into a new phone folk are already getting ready to ditch it and buy the next number in line even tho their current handset will have the same software.. also with the walled garden effect a samsung/android has the potential to do more than a locked in os, that's just the nature of the beast..
Ps, hell will freeze over before Warren buffet flies economy ovwr losing an iPad.. anyone thinks otherwise needs a brain scan!!
He doesn’t have to make that choice, but he’s remarking at how much utility you get for your $1000 and how many hours you use it. You can go to dinner with friends a couple times and spend $1000.
Btw, the Android sales pitch you threw out doesn’t work for people that find the value in iOS. Most people are not tech enthusiasts and couldn’t care less about an “open OS” because they just want to bank, check email, surf online, and take pictures. They think Apple executes that stuff well, with style and whatever else, and the choice is made. It’s very hard to get people to switch away for a reason. Their lives are on the devices and they don’t want to hassle moving it for the same, slightly better, or even worse experience.
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That's the whole point, even you agree that all the top end phones are pretty much of a much now.. all apps open By pressing a button, the end. So to suggest the most expensive is underpriced, is pure folly.
The iPhone experience is far better after owning both and really no more expensive than flagship Androids like the Note I owned. I see why Apple dominates.
Actually to me iMessage and FaceTime defines the unified Apple ecosystem. I can’t wait for Group FaceTime so my family from all over the place can all get on one conversation.
If we boil down smartphone usage to check email, Facebook and browse the web a $50 phone suffices. Even a 10 year old Elantra will get someone to a destination in the same time as an S class riding on the 405 in rush hour.
Yes it does, because what you said was/is incorrect.
It is objectively overpriced when you're essentially getting twice the phone for that price. A good example of this is that iPhones were notorious for still being on 720p displays many years after Android phones had crisp 1440p displays. Many Android phones also have superior build quality and support despite being cheaper.
The Mac lineup is even more guilty of being overpriced compared to the mobile device lineup though.
Warren Buffet is a billionaire who doesn't own a phone. If that's the only person you could find to agree with you, then it proves my point all the more.
If the beef is of the same quality or of similar quality, then you're wasting your money and paying for branding/feels, and that's nothing to brag about. For steak there is a large gap in the cut of the meat and how it's prepared, so paying a lot more can be justified, but for ground beef that generally isn't the case at all. Especially not for triple price. That is just throwing away cash. It is good to value one's money.
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- Overpriced is as subjective term as it gets.
- Twice the phone is also subjective. Since you mention 702p, I'm going to say the custom designs are far better than androids. (objectively)
- Android has superior build quality is also a subjective statement as my opinion is Apple designs the best smartphone hardware.
Yet, I fear if i don't get my order in for the XS Plus by 3:02am, my shipment may be bumped to the first week of Oct. - at the earliest.
No it's not. Generally if you're resorting to sophistry it's sign that you've realized you can't actually refute the argument.
Twice the phone is subjective, but hardware specs aren't. With Android phones you will consistently get better specs for the price overall.
You have no idea what you're talking about, do you? Apple doesn't use custom designed display technology.
No it's not, because build quality is based on the materials used. Your opinion is irrelevant.
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No I didn't.
You're actually using fallacious reasoning, which doesn't prove the argument.
It depends on how you rate the specs and what rating you apply to those specs.
Actually this entire post I'm responding to is quite the junk post.
No, my opinion is probably more justified than this idiotic response. You actually have to attempt to present a discussion point in the form of an opinion, which you haven't done.
I agree. It goes both ways
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Lol. Love how they try to sound so sophisticated trying to use big words.
My opinion.