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I'd imagine Apple understand and accepts that. On the other side of it, the rest of the smartphone manufacturers don't make a ton of revenue off the markets Apple doesn't own. I know what position I would rather be in.
Apple doesn’t care about the low market for smartphones. They make the most profit from where they stand in their pricing now. Huawei will appeal to more lower end pricing.
 
Yeah I have friends and family that didn't upgrade last year but will most likely do it this year. Especially people bored with their 6/6s or 7/8. I have to say iOS 12 works pretty well on my old 6s Plus, though.

Yea I think Apple remains in a really good position here. Older devices work great and continue to be supported year after year, this is a big advantage over Android. When it comes to finally upgrading, they are going to move to a brand new Apple device, that they have a good experience with and know it will be supported for years.
 
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OK, let me elaborate on my post:
Selling to whom: End-Users or carriers, retailers? When the X was launched I was in London shortly afterwards where they had the X on display at an airport store. An employee proudly announced that they already got stock in store (for lowest market price, so a good deal if you wanted one). At an airport. Guess what. Literally not a single person cared. The X is simply too expensive to be sold off-contract. If you sell on contract you can even charge 1500$/€/... because it's basically leasing. This kind of price policy doesn't scale. In Europe, unlike the US, the average contract is like 10-20€. If you want the X you got to pay like 50+ per month compared to SIM only. People do the math.
Selling by what: I'm certain this can only be raw revenue the X created by its price as the X for sure didn't outsell in units sold. Again, revenue created by whom?
In comparison to what: This is where statistics kick in and the bookkeepers move their numbers to make them match. Do we compare to a specific month/quarter/overall time? Which continent (!) or overall? Are we counting "orders placed" or "orders fullfilled"? Carries may be placing a large volume order which they cancelled later due to low demand on their side.

Unless you have detailed insights into Apples orders everything is speculation.
I, for my part, trust in what I have seen. And I haven't seen many X.
I see X’s all the time now. When it first launched I only used to see them on my commute into London but now I see them in my town centre all the time.

Even the analysts have stopped playing the iPhone X is a flop before earnings calls.
 
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Apple doesn’t care about the low market for smartphones. They make the most profit from where they stand in their pricing now. Huawei will appeal to more lower end pricing.

Yup, I wouldn't either if were in Apple's position. That's why I never understood Samsung's marketing campaign. Why go after Apple, a company you can't compete with. Instead, they should be focused on a company like Huawei eating into their low/mid tier range phones, where they get the majority of their market share.
 
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Yup, I wouldn't either if were in Apple's position. That's why I never understood Samsung's marketing campaign. Why go after Apple, a company you can't compete with. Instead, they should be focused on a company like Huawei eating into their low/mid tier range phones, where they get the majority of their market share.
Couldn’t have said it better myself!
 
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Yup, I wouldn't either if were in Apple's position. That's why I never understood Samsung's marketing campaign. Why go after Apple, a company you can't compete with. Instead, they should be focused on a company like Huawei eating into their low/mid tier range phones, where they get the majority of their market share.
Well they seem to be obsessed with emulating Apple as a high end brand.

I don’t get a lot of their strategies. They seem to be so desperate to court America yet they ignore Europe where they actually have a chance of getting a large market share.
 
Well they seem to be obsessed with emulating Apple as a high end brand.

I don’t get a lot of their strategies. They seem to be so desperate to court America yet they ignore Europe where they actually have a chance of getting a large market share.

Makes sense. I guess I get it to some degree, trying to portray themselves as a high end brand. In the end, I just think it's a game they can't win. It's exactly as you say, focus on markets you can actually make a dent in.
 
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I don’t get a lot of their strategies. They seem to be so desperate to court America yet they ignore Europe where they actually have a chance of getting a large market share.

Many countries use America as a baseline for their next steps in products. In addition, It's a cultural thing. We are very lucky that Hollywood drives a lot of this.

People that don't understand their strategies need to understand it from a cultural perspective. I don't agree with them, but when you think about it, it makes sense from their angle.
 
Many countries use America as a baseline for their next steps in products. In addition, It's a cultural thing. We are very lucky that Hollywood drives a lot of this.

People that don't understand their strategies need to understand it from a cultural perspective. I don't agree with them, but when you think about it, it makes sense from their angle.

That's fair, they can't abandon the US market by any means. I would think they would try to undercut Apple though, similar to Huawei in the East. I think the low/mid tier range could be a winnable market for them. Or maybe they already are controlling that market?
 
Many countries use America as a baseline for their next steps in products. In addition, It's a cultural thing. We are very lucky that Hollywood drives a lot of this.

People that don't understand their strategies need to understand it from a cultural perspective. I don't agree with them, but when you think about it, it makes sense from their angle.
Not saying they should ignore the us as it is the third biggest market in the world but they should put more effort into Europe.
 
Yup, I wouldn't either if were in Apple's position. That's why I never understood Samsung's marketing campaign. Why go after Apple, a company you can't compete with. Instead, they should be focused on a company like Huawei eating into their low/mid tier range phones, where they get the majority of their market share.

This is probably only applicable in a particular region, in my place Samsung does not do such marketing campaign! Because they do not have to. Samsung sells like hotcakes because of their pricing which is lesser than international pricing.
 
This is probably only applicable in a particular region, in my place Samsung does not do such marketing campaign! Because they do not have to. Samsung sells like hotcakes because of their pricing which is lesser than international pricing.

Makes sense. Yea I believe that marketing campaign is only for the US, but I could be wrong. Exactly, Samsung should focus on what works for them, low to mid tier phones. This is what made them successful in mobile.
 
The X plus is reported to start at $999 which is what the X started at last year. If there’s a 512GB it will probably cost a bit more than I paid for my 256GB iPhone X last year.

I think higher storage options will be priced like current iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 plus (where the 128 and 256 are priced similar or closer to X Model). 2018 iPhone X and X+ beyond 64/128 storage options going to cost A LOT more, probably $1250 - $1350 range in USA and in my place they will be forbidden products, never would get out of showroom shelf.
 
That's fair, they can't abandon the US market by any means. I would think they would try to undercut Apple though, similar to Huawei in the East. I think the low/mid tier range could be a winnable market for them. Or maybe they already are controlling that market?

The Koreans vs Chinese are very different when it comes to dealing with business. Why are all the knockoffs Chinese made? Have you ever watched Silicon Valley?

They already have an establishment in the low/mid-tier range globally. For example, see this article: https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news...grabs-29-market-share-in-q2-2018-4810831.html.

From a company perspective, there really is no reason for them to abandon the U.S., and they have more than enough manpower (17% of SK's GDP) to compete against Apple if the company manages their employees correctly. Samsung has considerably more engineers than Apple which explains the breadth of products they tap into and how much of a global market share they have across the board.

Right now as a consumer, I still perceive them as a mid-tier company trying to be a high end on the consumer side. They still make really good computer components, but I absolutely loathe their TVs.
 
The Koreans vs Chinese are very different when it comes to dealing with business. Why are all the knockoffs Chinese made? Have you ever watched Silicon Valley?

They already have an establishment in the low/mid-tier range globally. For example, see this article: https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news...grabs-29-market-share-in-q2-2018-4810831.html.

From a company perspective, there really is no reason for them to abandon the U.S., and they have more than enough manpower (17% of SK's GDP) to compete against Apple if the company manages their employees correctly. Samsung has considerably more engineers than Apple which explains the breadth of products they tap into and how much of a global market share they have across the board.

Right now as a consumer, I still perceive them as a mid-tier company trying to be a high end on the consumer side. They still make really good computer components, but I absolutely loathe their TVs.

Haha yea, I have. It definitely makes sense that they all come out of China. Appreciate the info you provided, helps me get a worldwide look at the market. I'm definitely not suggesting they abandon the US market, just tweak their strategy a bit. I don't think there are enough people who will choose Samsung when they are priced the same as Apple. I'd think they would be better off sitting in that $599 to $799 range, where they could likely draw some price conscious consumers deciding between the two. I guess in the end, it all comes down to how much revenue they can make within that pricing tier. I've never been a fan of any of their products, but they make nice screens from what I see.
 
The Koreans vs Chinese are very different when it comes to dealing with business. Why are all the knockoffs Chinese made? Have you ever watched Silicon Valley?

They already have an establishment in the low/mid-tier range globally. For example, see this article: https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news...grabs-29-market-share-in-q2-2018-4810831.html.

From a company perspective, there really is no reason for them to abandon the U.S., and they have more than enough manpower (17% of SK's GDP) to compete against Apple if the company manages their employees correctly. Samsung has considerably more engineers than Apple which explains the breadth of products they tap into and how much of a global market share they have across the board.

Right now as a consumer, I still perceive them as a mid-tier company trying to be a high end on the consumer side. They still make really good computer components, but I absolutely loathe their TVs.

I love their Note 8 and S9 Plus and I have them both, they cost $1000 in my place and they are fast moving ones....They look far superior to anything in the market(not excluding anything). But, yes, they have competition like Huawei P 20 Pro which is equally superior but lacks few extra kinds of stuff like Wireless Charging, IP rating but as far as price points they both are competing with each other.
 
It's objectively overpriced for what you're paying for. There are just a lot of suckers, and a lot of people bad with money in general.
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Larger is better. A smartphone with a small screen is an astonishing waste of potential.

People with the highest demos make more money and are more educated on average...
But hey, somehow, they're only idiots and don't understand total cost of ownership
and even if they're satisfied with a device they use every day for years and years and keep buying over and over,
only when it comes to Apple...

Do you even listen to your tripe. Make so sense bud!

You, who seemingly live in your own private reality, imply that Android users are paragons of intelligence with dispassionate analytical skills despite the fact most actually don't have an actual choice to buy IOS because they cannot pay for it (in China, India, Indonesia, Africa, etc.) and so obviously they've made the well "researched decision" to give away their privacy and security to get a cheaper phone, or in this case... any phone at all. Well, good for these imaginary people living in your cabeza I guess. They've got a lot of space there to use their phones, so I say go for it little headtrip people.

btw, the whole "superiority" shtick also is tired, get a new one, try it on yourself first, for a decade or two so we don't have to hear about it.
 
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Apple doesn't sell $100 dollar phones, it is not competing in that segment cause well, there is almost no profit to be made there QED. Read wtf I write before responding, otherwise desist. Apple is also not selling $1 hear buds, $20 "smartwatches" so I'm guess they're also losing that battle huh. Good god!
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No, it's not the point, learn to read. If something is "overpriced" it means it's priced higher than it's actual value to the buyer. If people keep buying it for years and years, volume of sales don't change significantly, it's correctly priced.
Once again, if only 10% market share buys Macs, it is probably because the other 90% feel it is over priced for what you get. You don't have be snotty
 
>> the 6.1-inch LCD iPhone will be priced at $600 to $700.

What? No OLED? What is this, 2015?

I bought a Note 5 is 2015 for $500.... with OLED. I really want to get back to iPhone, but I don't want to spend more on a phone than I spent on my laptop. And I also don't want to buy archaic technology.
 
I bought a Note 5 is 2015 for $500.... with OLED. I really want to get back to iPhone, but I don't want to spend more on a phone than I spent on my laptop. And I also don't want to buy archaic technology.

Sorry, it sounds like the new iPhone lineup won't be for you. Besides, try buying a Note now for $500. The new Note still has OLED and is significantly more than what the reported price of the 6.1" iPhone will sell for. Let's compare apples to apples (no pun intended). And if the iPhone 8 is any indicator, very few who buy the 6.1" LCD iPhone will be disappointed with the screen since Apple has been releasing the best LCD screens found on a phone. They've come a long way since "2015."
 
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