chagla
macrumors 6502a
What a comical way to disagree with something without offering any valid and factual information.
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2018 MacBook Pro Features 'Fastest SSD Ever' in a Laptop According to Benchmarks
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What a comical way to disagree with something without offering any valid and factual information.
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mattopotamus
macrumors G5
The GPU is a huge elephant in the room. Resizing Windows should cause lag.
In reality it appears as if Apple transferred weight and size outside of their computers and onto separate devices which one needs to carry around with them to achieve the functionality of slightly heavier, thicker competitors which offer that functionality built it.
You can repeat your funny opinion as often as you like, which won't make it more true. It's not up to you to decide which form factor suits which form of application, just because apples lineup covers it in exactly that way. There's a lot of laptops out there packing decent GPUs like a 1050 into a 13 inch form factor, and many people working in the 3D industry prefer to have such a small form factor machine next to their workstation at home. And some of these laptops even manage to improve upon the MBPs battery life, despite the powerful components...
Stop being so pretentious as a justification for your Apple agenda, it's just ridiculous
Can you post a link which points to the specs? I followed those in the article and was unable to find anything which details the specifications of the comparison systems.
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Isn't 2519 MB/s faster than 3228 MB/sIn 2018 these speeds are normal. The ssd/nvme in the 15 inch Xiaomi Mi Pro that costs $890 it's pretty fast, too.
source: https://techtablets.com/2017/12/xiaomi-mi-notebook-pro-nvme-ssd-bios-pcie-x2-fix/
JM_JustMe
macrumors newbie
Not really. Copy on write is not unique to APFS technique and it's used in many file systems (at least on Linux). The idea behind it is if you copy the file there would be no real data copy (at least until you want to change the original file), file pointer would be copied instead. The speed of such operation is so damn fast (and not related to file size) that if that would be the case you'll have much-MUCH higher results. This mechanism is possible only when you copy files from and to the same physical device.
Instead most storage speed test tools (like BlackMagic Disk Speed Test) are writing random (or non random) generated in memory data, which avoids possibility of such FS-level optimisations and more truly tests the device read/write speed
On my MacBook Pro 13 2017 writing speed test shows about 1400 MB/s which is half of new MacBook, so it sounds like they doubled the speed of the SSD, which seems to be right considering their last few years updates
"To be fair, Apple’s relatively new APFS file system is designed to speed up file file copies using a technology Apple calls Instant Cloning. But a win is a win."
And to be fair, if it wasn't for APFS, these speeds might not be achieved.
It would be good to get a speed performance done before APFS.. That's gonna be difficult,
And to be fair, if it wasn't for APFS, these speeds might not be achieved.
It would be good to get a speed performance done before APFS.. That's gonna be difficult,
Stunned that you can’t see the difference between duplicating a file and not doing that.
It’s like saying you copied a 2000 page novel in 20 seconds when you only photocopied the contents page.
I repeat. Stunned.
If it’s faster in real world use, fine then say that and say why. But don’t lie about it.
Radon87000
macrumors 604
The Razer Blade manages to fit a GTX 1070 into a 15.6 laptop. You can most definitely game on ultrabooks and not only that but with better graphics than the PS4 OR xbox one
BeSweeet
macrumors 68000
That's my main gripe about the article as well. That, and the fact that no specific models of anything - GPU, CPU, SSD, RAM - are ever mentioned in the Laptop Mag post.
The generalized results look good to the general public, but a "pro"-class device benchmarked in such ways needs way more data.
jeremysteele
Cancelled
Yeah, you've never used one... their NVME drive (which is what I used) can go well over 1,500 MB/s sustained read and write. I know, I've seen it... in the real world.
Also, it doesn't crash every time you blink "because of windows". That is literally impossible, and completely negates any argument you may have had. 2002 called, they want their argument back.
The absolute vast majority of computers (90%+) in the world run Windows without an issue. Windows 10 on its own has 5-6 times as many users as all currently used Mac OS versions. Include 7 and 8, and the numbers simply dwarf Mac OS. If it was as bad as people such as yourself present it to be, it wouldn't continue to dominate the market, as it has for the past 30 years.
XP is long gone, it isn't 2002 anymore. You can stop it with the needless OS bashing. Lol
What methodology? They haven't published even basic details of a methodology.
Is that the actual model used in the Laptop Magazine review? Doubtful because the SSD benchmarks for this model topping out at 1819 MB/s. This is a speed one would expect from a PCIe based SSD. The 399.4 MB/s shown in the comparison is what one would expect from a SATA based SSD.
That's what I've been thinking regarding the specifications of the comparison laptops. I can't find anything which tells the reader how the comparison laptops were configured. If you have details of the comparison laptops I'd love to see them. Do you?
eltoslightfoot
macrumors 68030
Yeah and it is heat throttled constantly. Probably not the best example.
jeremysteele
Cancelled
The base model XPS 13 comes with a SATA drive (likely in a m.2 factor). It does not come with an NVME. If you look on their own site, you can clearly see it does not label it as PCIe. In dell lingo - that means SATA speeds. The second model and above are all NVME.
They are comparing base models.
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No, you did not. The laptop you referenced:
- Cannot be confirmed to be the model / configuration Laptop Magazine used in their comparison.
- Has a throughput of 1819 MB/s, which is 3.55 times faster than the throughput of the XPS system in the Laptop Magazine comparison.
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While I have no doubt of this every link to an XPS system that I've clicked on takes me to a an older review. For example the XPS system in post #146 has a review date of November 8, 2017. That's over eight months ago. Wasn't the 970 just released around May of this year?
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Radon87000
macrumors 604
Even if you use the lower end GPU GTX 1060 it’s still faster than the MacBook and is not throttled. Even with the 1070 it only throttles on hyper demanding games.
When i so blackmagic diskspeed on my 2012 rMBP 15” with APFS its the same as it was on HFS+ tho and still is ♂️
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I dont even mind that tbh if its done properly its better - you can mold it to your own needs
MacBH928
macrumors G3
That FPS on a 7 year old game... is sad
I never understood why Apple always lacked in gaming and GPU side of things, especially when they are supposed to be the PRO machine for the creators who make these media like 4K 3D movies and so...
Why would any one keep 2 exact file copies on the same storage device?
I never understood why Apple always lacked in gaming and GPU side of things, especially when they are supposed to be the PRO machine for the creators who make these media like 4K 3D movies and so...
Why would any one keep 2 exact file copies on the same storage device?
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curtvaughan
macrumors 65816
My XPS 13/360 has a 512 GB M.2 NVME SSD, which came stock with the machine 18 months ago. I'll re-read the article, but I don't remember its specifying the details of the XPS-13 SSD spec's, or which year model they were using in the tests. I tend to suspect that AFPS would explain a lot of the difference. They also don't indicate which system was installed on the Dell, though I feel safe in guessing Windows. I have Linux installed on my XPS 13, and I suspect the Linux EXT3 file system is more efficient than FAT32 or NTFS used with Windows. I note that the current XPS 13/370 machines also use M.2 SSD's.
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Oh come on, this is about the most uninformed comment ever.
Most other manufacturers have been using 8th gen CPUs for months. Apple is the one late to the party here. Dell, HP, Asus, and practically everyone else have been offering the same CPUs as the MBP for six months or more.
The MBP is also crippled in its GPU. My Dell XPS 15, which I purchased a year ago, runs circles around the GPUs in the new MBPs, and costs half as much. And it’s screen is actually better... higher resolution, wider color gamut, better contrast, brighter, and is a touchscreen. And it’s battery is more than 30% larger. The newer model is even better.
Oh, and it has the same SSD performance. It typically gets about 3GB/sec on reads and more than 2GB/sec on writes.
Both the article and your comment are ignoring common, commodity hardware. The Dell XPS series are popular machines, have similar or better performance in every way, are far cheaper, and have been on the market for months. Apple is the one late to the game.