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2018 MacBook Pro Features 'Fastest SSD Ever' in a Laptop According to Benchmarks

torana355 said:
Yes sorry I didn't realise they picked PC Laptops with lower end NVME drives.
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The much vaunted, “better than a Mac” XPS I see touted so often around here. It couldn’t even match the write speed of my 2015, full disk encrypted. It’d be a bit faster without it. 2018’s don’t really have much of a delta encrypted because of the T2.
 
Would be nice to know exactly what material these guys use for their testing.
Would like to get hold of that same 4K clip, (and the Handbrake presets), so I can test on my own machine.
 
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Feenician said:
The much vaunted, “better than a Mac” XPS I see touted so often around here. It couldn’t even match the write speed of my 2015.
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Yes you are right but on that XPS you can actually upgrade the SSD to a 970 pro if you wanted to and still come out in front cost wise. Thats the whole beauty of most PC laptops, they can be upgraded. I use an Apple laptop btw but I just wanted to point out Apple is not doing anything groundbreaking with these new SSD's.
 
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EugW said:
The new SSDs should be fast, but not because of instant cloning.

With instant cloning, nothing is actually copied. The "file" at the new location is just a pointer to the file at the old location.
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I suspect it means you can claim a longer SSD life due to less writes.
 
H2SO4 said:
Would be nice to know exactly what material these guys use for their testing.
Would like to get hold of that same 4K clip, (and the Handbrake presets), so I can test on my own machine.
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Honestly, the credibility of the source is in the toilet. I’m sure as Anandtech, Ars et al. Publish their results we’ll have much more reliable results. I do not expect the pecking order to change much though

torana355 said:
Yes you are right but on that XPS you can actually upgrade the SSD to a 970 pro if you wanted to and still come out in front cost wise. Thats the whole beauty of most PC laptops, they can be upgraded. I use an Apple laptop btw but I just wanted to point out Apple is not doing anything groundbreaking with these new SSD's.
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I agree in part. There’s no getting away from it. You can’t upgrade these Macs easily but you can upgrade some, but certainly not all (The gluey mess that is the surface book springs to mind). That’s just fact. To deny it is to live in an alternate reality. Apple’s work here is in designing their own controller. I actually look forward to seeing real benchmarks of the very best PC land has to offer, vs. these. Also though to compare the sticker price of an XPS or similar to this, and then concede you have to go buy an actually good SSD to bring it up, is disingenuous.

H2SO4 said:
I suspect it means you can claim a longer SSD life due to less writes.
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I don’t think it’s “so you can claim” anything. It’s a long overdue file system optimization for Macs.
 
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Michael Goff said:
You didn't get problems coded to work on Windows on your Mac? You don't say! I'm just saying my 52 year old mom had fewer issues with her laptop than you do.
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Haha! Isn't that because all your mom does with her laptop is Skype and the occasional Facebook post of her garden?

I use my computers for work, and if using a Mac allows me to earn my money then awesome. Why waste my time on a machine with "better" specs and a thousand dollars cheaper when it doesn't do what I need to do. That's why. And since you seem to be the Windows expert here. Go ahead and explain my other issues that other people have also encountered. THAT would be more helpful than sticking your boot up your behind. Go on. :)
 
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fokmik said:
i wonder if these are samsung ssd?
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Haven’t seen a breakdown yet, but at those figures they are very likely Samsung MLC behind an Apple controller. Samsung’s been so far ahead at points that they could coast for years and be unchallenged in real world tests. They don’t coast though, they keep ploughing ahead.
 
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mr.anthonyramos said:
Haha! Isn't that because all your mom does with her laptop is Skype and the occasional Facebook post of her garden?

I use my computers for work, and if using a Mac allows me to earn my money then awesome. Why waste my time on a machine with "better" specs and a thousand dollars cheaper when it doesn't do what I need to do. That's why. And since you seem to be the Windows expert here. Go ahead and explain my other issues that other people have also encountered. THAT would be more helpful than sticking your boot up your behind. Go on. :)
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I'm no Windows expert, nor am I telling you to not use Macs. I'm simply saying that maybe not all your problems are because Windows sucks and maybe you just messed up. But it's easier to blame the tool than to admit maybe you messed up, right?

Also, assuming my mom does very little on the basis of you being unable to use a Windows computer is ridiculous. Windows has a lot of issues, but anyone who gets critical errors within two weeks "just by surfing the internet" needs to take a long look in the mirror.

I also don't know anything about the specific bugs you mentioned in regards to sleep and/or folder renaming. This is the first I've heard of them.
 
Michael Goff said:
I'm no Windows expert, nor am I telling you to not use Macs. I'm simply saying that maybe not all your problems are because Windows sucks and maybe you just messed up. But it's easier to blame the tool than to admit maybe you messed up, right?

Also, assuming my mom does very little on the basis of you being unable to use a Windows computer is ridiculous. Windows has a lot of issues, but anyone who gets critical errors within two weeks "just by surfing the internet" needs to take a long look in the mirror.

I also don't know anything about the specific bugs you mentioned in regards to sleep and/or folder renaming. This is the first I've heard of them.
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Are you able to back up this claim about the XPS yet?

Michael Goff said:
And yet I looked on Notebookcheck and saw that the 1,000$ model got a write speed of over 2700 mb/s on CrystalDiskMark 5.2. So that's weird.
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It's an NVME SSD. Any PC equipped with one should get the same score. Anyway the GPU even on the maxed out 15 MacBook Pro is a joke so a non starter for me. It needs to be the best at everything if Apple wants to charge 6k
 
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Feenician said:
Are you able to back up this claim about the XPS yet?
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https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-XPS-13-9370-Core-i5-FHD-Laptop-Review.280518.0.html

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Radon87000 said:
It's an NVME SSD. Any PC equipped with one should get the same score. Anyway the GPU even on the maxed out 15 MacBook Pro is a joke so a non starter for me.
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No, that’s simply not true. Apple have shipped NVMe since at least 2015 and their drives have gotten continually quicker. Maximum speed of interface =/= maximum speed of drive. That’s ridiculous.
 
Feenician said:
No, that’s simply not true. Apple have shipped NVMe since at least 2015 and their drives have gotten continually quicker. Maximum speed of interface =/= maximum speed of drive. That’s ridiculous.
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Because the drives in them have also gotten faster. Thank Samsung for that.
 
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Feenician said:
That’s a read speed of over 2700, not a write speed which is what the OP covers.

For what it’s worth I read your posts pretty intently because I think you’re one of the more technology and brand agnostic people around here, and that makes it interesting. I genuinely value your opinion and insight.
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That's a huge oversight on my part, and for that I apologize. I should have paid more attention. I just know that even cheaper laptops are getting higher numbers than what was posted in the article and it frustrated me.

This isn't to dowbplay Apple, but to say there are a lot of great reasons to use a Mac that doesn't have anything to do with making others look worse than they are.

Also, thanks.
 
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I think its silly to turn this into a PC vs Apple argument, its the Samsung SSD that is the star of the show assuming its what Apple is using. It seems many of the PC laptops are not using the top of the line Samsung 970 pro like Apple seems to be using.
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Michael Goff said:
That's a huge oversight on my part, and for that I apologize. I should have paid more attention. I just know that even cheaper laptops are getting higher numbers than what was posted in the article and it frustrated me.

This isn't to dowbplay Apple, but to say there are a lot of great reasons to use a Mac that doesn't have anything to do with making others look worse than they are.

Also, thanks.
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I made the same oversight, all good.
 
Feenician said:
Samsung and Apple’s controller, yep. It’s a shame that other OEMs haven’t kept up.
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Yeah, Apple is doing good work there. I have to wonder, though, if the gains were more because of the disk or the connector. And I don't mean this sarcastically. I honestly wonder.
 
Nice to see they’re still using top drawer components (they were the only major manufacturer still using more durable MLC SSDs in 2015, I wonder if they have followed the industry to TLC now though?) but the 15” MacBook Pro really should come with 512GB for £2,349. That you have to go with the upgraded stock model to get 512, and that if you want 1TB, you have to BTO is a little bit crazy...
 
Michael Goff said:
That's a huge oversight on my part, and for that I apologize. I should have paid more attention. I just know that even cheaper laptops are getting higher numbers than what was posted in the article and it frustrated me.

This isn't to dowbplay Apple, but to say there are a lot of great reasons to use a Mac that doesn't have anything to do with making others look worse than they are.

Also, thanks.
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Not a big deal. I’ve had many a brain fart around here. I’m not kidding when I say I genuinely stop at your posts and consider them a bit more than others.

I’m also not trying to make others look worse than they are if you go a few posts back. I also think these figures from laptopmag aren’t very good and do look forward to more credible, reliable figures.
 
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