I wish they could seal the keyboard up so it's crumb and water proof.
Pricing is way out of hand now... whilst I appreciate the latest and greatest hardware comes at a premium, the fact you can't get a 15" MacBook now for less than £2,300 is ridiculous.
The killing of the 2015 MBP with all the ports a lot of people still need without any replacement apart from a bag of dongles is a strange decision IMO.
If it's too noisy then don't hit it so hard. Next question?
When it comes to feel, though, reviews have said that the keyboard doesn't feel any different, as it's using the same butterfly switches with the same amount of key travel.
Someone on this forum put it really well: USB-C may be the port of the future, but we're all still living in the present, and USB-A is everywhere.I can live with dongles to go from USB-C to all the Firewire and "Thunderbolt" hard drives I have - fine. But I don't want a friggin dongle in case I want to plug a normal USB thing into my Mac! It's stupid! USB stick - oh sure, thanks - OH WAIT - I can't read it because I don't have a USB on my machine. WTF? That has happened to me about 10 times and every time it's like - "How Stupid!"
Well, in the absence of any kind of key travel and tactile feedback, the one sure-fire way to know your keypresses are going to register is to bang on the damn thing. Not that that's the only way to make it work, obviously, but we've all got years (if not decades) of training typing on keyboards where the keys, you know, move.If it's too noisy then don't hit it so hard. Next question?
Question is: what happens to that silicone after a year or two of being pressed?
That’s good to know. I tried it in the store when they first released that little MacBook and I hated it immediately. Same with when they released the new wireless keyboard. They had them side-by-side with the old keyboard at Best Buy, and the old keys felt soooooooo much better. I mean it wasn’t even close.My 2017 MBP keyboard is the best I've ever used. I can type faster and more accurately. Coming from a MBA, here.
That’s good to know. I tried it in the store when they first released that little MacBook and I hated it immediately. Same with when they released the new wireless keyboard. They had them side-by-side with the old keyboard at Best Buy, and the old keys felt soooooooo much better. I mean it wasn’t even close.
It sounds like the new keys are here to stay though. I guess I’ll just have to give in eventually and get used to it.
Someone on this forum put it really well: USB-C may be the port of the future, but we're all still living in the present, and USB-A is everywhere.
That’s good to know. I tried it in the store when they first released that little MacBook and I hated it immediately. Same with when they released the new wireless keyboard. They had them side-by-side with the old keyboard at Best Buy, and the old keys felt soooooooo much better. I mean it wasn’t even close.
It sounds like the new keys are here to stay though. I guess I’ll just have to give in eventually and get used to it.
Hm, that hasn't stopped my macbook pro battery life from being really bad though. Oh and my keyboard broke twice as well.Are you crazy?
What about the controversy, the fear, uncertainty, doubt (FUD) that keep this readership coming back, and the "sponsors" coming in?
My "favorite" was when ConsumerReports claimed that the MBP had bad battery life, and all the "pros" on twitter, all the divas, started to "complain" about their MBP's. Then ConsumerReports and Apple found it was a bug, fixed it, and the test ran and came up with 18 hours of battery life (yes, 18), and then every diva SUDDENLY stopped complaining about the batt life.
Didn’t read the joke but I think it was funnyEdit: on second thought, bad joke and was a bit inappropriate. Apologies if anyone was offended by it![]()
I still don't know why Apple hasn't designed their keyboard to actually be... you know... ergonomic? Human wrists are not designed to be positioned like they are with the current design of straight keyboards. What is the resistance to this obvious idea? Addiction? Fear of change?
Will the keyboard replacement program use the 3rd gen keys? or would that require a new base as well?
They replace the battery as well????? Wow.... That's a $129 alone usually. I'm going to see if I can get this done.According to forum posts at iFixit, replacement program keyboards are already using the 3rd-gen keys with dust-proof membrane layer. The entire top case gets replaced, including the battery.
https://ifixit.org/blog/10279/apple-macbook-keyboard-cover-up/
It's crazy that this is the third version of the keyboard in 4 years, fourth if you count the 2017 MBP as having a second-gen rev 2, which many here claim it to be. Why did they get it so wrong as to need constant revision? This is unlike Apple. Or is it like the new Apple?
It's amazing to me that a company like Apple let the first-gen butterfly keyboard out of the gate. I've no idea how it could've passed their no doubt extensive design, prototyping and testing phases or approval processes. At the very least they must've known that such a significant change to its feel, sound and travel would be controversial and disliked by many who were used to a keyboard that had barely changed in the previous decade. All seemingly in this ongoing and little-demanded pursuit of thinness. I'm astonished if they didn't get a significant amount of negative feedback if they ever did any user-experience testing.
These keyboards have demonstrated Apple is slipping in its commitment to quality. Even if you don't agree with me you can't deny that having to instigate a costly repair program is by no means a measure of success. This is not something Apple would do lightly (even economics aside) because it's basically an admission of guilt. Previous repair programs have often involved parts supplied by third-parties, but this is 100% Apple's design and manufacture. They don't usually get it this wrong.
My first experience with the 2016 MacBook Pro was in an Apple shop and the first thing I noticed (after the comically large trackpad) was that the keys were clearly sticky and had little tactile feeling to them. The spacebar was hard to press, didn't move at all and only worked intermittently. And these were the display units in their own shop, presumably there to make you want to buy them! Needless to say I never did, nor have I since.
I will try out the new model in the shop sometime, but I know I'm never going to be a fan of ultra low-travel keys. I may begrudgingly get used to it if I have to, but I certainly won't like it. If only the keyboards were my only complaint with these laptops.
But will it blend?
They replace the battery as well????? Wow.... That's a $129 alone usually. I'm going to see if I can get this done.
Thanks for the info. On Apple's website it states that the AASP or Apple themselves will inspect the keyboard and determine what parts need to be repaired.Yes, the keyboard / top-case / battery is one integrated assembly and not easily separated. So you get a new battery for free.
More recent reports however have suggested that 2016/2017 models may not get the third-generation keyboard under the replacement program. Apparently, if you're replacing a first generation keyboard then you'll get a second-gen, but neither will get a third-gen due to the top case design being a bit different. Still waiting for a definitive confirmation on this.