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KensaiMage

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As the topic says.

I would buy three instantly for my whole family.

But... is it possible that apple releases such a beauty in 2018?
 

EugW

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The chance of this happening is just about zero. Sorry.
 

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All I want is a 6 core 32 gig of RAM MacbookPro. IS that too much to ask? Lighter and slimmer with more emojis is not going to impress me.
 
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EugW

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All I want is a 6 core 32 gig of RAM MacbookPro. IS that too much to ask? Lighter and slimmer with more emojis is not going to impress me.
That is more realistic than the OP's wishlist, but that may not appear until 2019. You can blame Intel for that delay.
 

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All I want is a 6 core 32 gig of RAM MacbookPro. IS that too much to ask? Lighter and slimmer with more emojis is not going to impress me.

Buy a Dell and hack on macOS ? Yeah they are coming I bet next year they intro 4-8 cores. I mean lots of laptops can handle that.
 

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Buy a Dell and hack on macOS ? Yeah they are coming I bet next year they intro 4-8 cores. I mean lots of laptops can handle that.
No 8-core MacBook Pros. And as mentioned, there is a good chance that 32 GB and 6-core won't happen until 2019. At the very earliest it will be at the end of 2018, but judging by reports, that's getting to be less and less likely for the MBP.
 

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I dont think that is possible with today's technology vs. the limitations posed by the MacBook's physical size (see the video of the teardown of the iPhone X - the components needed for FaceID are not small by any means!!!)

Additionally, I'm not sure if Apple would offer a quad core rMB before offering a quad core MBP13TB/13nTB, and further, with no perfectly suitable quad core for the TB version yet released, I'm not sure if Apple will offer a quad core nTB before they offer a quad core TB.

Even if the above is all doable, there is still the issue of cooling; with the passive cooling of the rMB, even if Apple could get a quad core CPU inside, it may not have significantly improved performance over the current m3/i5/i7 chip (these are all the same chip-just different binned specimens) for anything other than extremely short periods of burst performance. The gains for what could be a high pricing premium for the higher tier CPU might be very limited!

Even if that is possible, then there is also the issue of battery life, and how something like the i5-8250U could consume more than twice as much energy as the current CPU. For a design that prioritizes portability over power, a massive hit on battery life might not be an acceptable tradeoff to many owners.

Ultimately, I really don't see this happening within the next 15 months.
 
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KensaiMage

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I dont think that is possible with today's technology vs. the limitations posed by the MacBook's physical size (see the video of the teardown of the iPhone X - the components needed for FaceID are not small by any means!!!)

Additionally, I'm not sure if Apple would offer a quad core rMB before offering a quad core MBP13TB/13nTB, and further, with no perfectly suitable quad core for the TB version yet released, I'm not sure if Apple will offer a quad core nTB before they offer a quad core TB.

Even if the above is all doable, there is still the issue of cooling; with the passive cooling of the rMB, even if Apple could get a quad core CPU inside, it may not have significantly improved performance over the current m3/i5/i7 chip (these are all the same chip-just different binned specimens) for anything other than extremely short periods of burst performance. The gains for what could be a high pricing premium for the higher tier CPU might be very limited!

Even if that is possible, then there is also the issue of battery life, and how something like the i5-8250U could consume more than twice as much energy as the current CPU. For a design that prioritizes portability over power, a massive hit on battery life might not be an acceptable tradeoff to many owners.

Ultimately, I really don't see this happening within the next 15 months.

Thank you for your answer. Would you then buy 3 macbooks 12” for family now or wait for cannonlake 1-1.5 year longer?
 

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Additionally, I'm not sure if Apple would offer a quad core rMB before offering a quad core MBP13TB/13nTB, and further, with no perfectly suitable quad core for the TB version yet released, I'm not sure if Apple will offer a quad core nTB before they offer a quad core TB.
The point is that it's not up to Apple. This is up to Intel and there is no quad-core Y-series chip suitable for MacBook on the horizon from Intel.
 

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Thank you for your answer. Would you then buy 3 macbooks 12” for family now or wait for cannonlake 1-1.5 year longer?

Might as well buy now if they meet your needs. I'm enjoying mine very much and it's helping my productivity. If something so much better comes along that I absolutely have to have it, I'll sell the current one and recoup most of what I paid.

With Apple, there are never any guarantees of if or when they will release something, and this unpredictability is made even less predictable by Intel's recent trend of delays. Holding out too much hope for a future product often ends in disappointment, IMO.
 

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since the MBP has a biometrical system (touchid), the macbook should gain one also and since the Macbook got release earliest, in 2015, i think it will get faceID or touchID in 2018 or for sure 2019
 
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since the MBP has a biometrical system (touchid), the macbook should gain one also and since the Macbook got release earliest, in 2015, i think it will get faceID or touchID in 2018 or for sure 2019
While I love Touch ID in my iPhone, I couldn't care less about Face ID or Touch ID in the MacBook. But it's a moot point anyhow, since neither will be coming any time soon. It seems Apple is going with Face ID going forward, but that will require far more robust front facing camera technology than will likely be coming to the MacBook in the foreseeable future.

Personally I'm more interested in seeing:

1) 2nd USB-C port <-- Not gonna happen any time soon
2) Better trackpad <-- Not gonna happen any time soon
3) Faster CPU <-- There will be a CPU speed bump, but it will still be dual-core, and likely will be incremental.
4) 720p or 1080p camera, whichever will give better low light capability <-- Possible, but without Face ID.
5) Wide colour gamut screen <-- I'm not optimistic for this in 2018
6) Thunderbolt and 10 Gbps USB support <-- Probably in 2019

I would also like to see 4K 10-bit HDR HEVC streaming come, and I suspect that will come in 2018, but it will likely be backward compatible to the 2017 models as well (but not the 2015 or 2016 models).
 

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I believe the new MacBook redesign will be in 2019. That's still almost 2 years away. Don't wish your life away. Whilst we may see Pro Motion and a wide colour gamut display, we may not see that much more. Certainly, the 2018 models will not bring these.

An extra USB-C in 2018? No way, it's going against the design. Simply not going to happen.

Seriously, how do you improve on what is pretty much a perfect design? The MacBook has a lot of love from its owners. Probably more so than any other Apple product i've read about on here along with the iPhone SE which also seems well loved! Certainly, the 2017 range is just beautiful. The best that the MacBook has ever been and in fairness, even the 2015 was lovely.

Maybe just go for the basic M3 if you can live with 256GB and then review the situation in 2+ years time.
 

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I believe the new MacBook redesign will be in 2019. That's still almost 2 years away. Don't wish your life away. Whilst we may see Pro Motion and a wide colour gamut display, we may not see that much more. Certainly, the 2018 models will not bring these.

An extra USB-C in 2018? No way, it's going against the design. Simply not going to happen.

Seriously, how do you improve on what is pretty much a perfect design? The MacBook has a lot of love from its owners. Probably more so than any other Apple product i've read about on here along with the iPhone SE which also seems well loved! Certainly, the 2017 range is just beautiful. The best that the MacBook has ever been and in fairness, even the 2015 was lovely.

Maybe just go for the basic M3 if you can live with 256GB and then review the situation in 2+ years time.
The 2015's keyboard sucked, and it was slow. The 2017 is a huge improvement over the 2015, on both counts.
 

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The 2015's keyboard sucked, and it was slow. The 2017 is a huge improvement over the 2015, on both counts.

I'm sorry to hear that your 2015 model didn't bring you joy. I had a totally different experience. I loved my 2015 m5 at the time. It took me a very long time to save up for it and I treasured it. I found it speedy and I loved it. And the keyboard to me, did not suck. It was a groundbreaking design for a laptop. Maybe, because it was so expensive and I really had to go without in order to buy it, I didn't find fault with it. :)
 

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I'm sorry to hear that your 2015 model didn't bring you joy. I had a totally different experience. I loved my 2015 m5 at the time. It took me a very long time to save up for it and I treasured it. I found it speedy and I loved it. And the keyboard to me, did not suck. It was a groundbreaking design for a laptop. Maybe, because it was so expensive and I really had to go without in order to buy it, I didn't find fault with it. :)
No, I tested it out and was turned off so I didn’t buy it. Checked out the 2016 a year later and was disappointed to find the 2016’s keyboard still sucked.

Huge improvement in the 2017. The keyboard is still not great, but it is now OK. The keyboard of the 2015 and 2016 are below OK IMHO.
 

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Dual core cannonlake cpu, no face ID (tech unlikely to fit in screen housing), and maybe touch ID if they've decided to redesign it for gen 4 (possibility as cannonlake delays mean it likely won't be out until the end of next year anyway)
 

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As the topic says.

I would buy three instantly for my whole family.

But... is it possible that apple releases such a beauty in 2018?
Pretty unlikely.

The 4-core CPU would show up on the MacBook Pro line first (which it does) before trickling down to the MacBook family. It would require a processor below a certain TDP threshold that still exhibits great battery performance since the MacBook has a much smaller battery. I'm not familiar with Intel's processor roadmap so I don't know if such a CPU suitable for the MacBook is on the horizon.

If anything, a 4-core CPU on a MacBook would likely start as a Built To Order option, not part of a standard configuration. Again, one would be giving up battery performance for extra CPU power.

Seeing as the current MacBook only has a 480p FaceTime camera, it would be highly unlikely that Apple would skip the 720p camera and jump all the way to 1080p.

As for Face ID, it will likely eventually come to Apple notebooks, but again starting on the MacBook Pro line, not the MacBook. Heck, the MacBook Pro only recently got Touch ID, so I think we are several years out from seeing Face ID on Apple notebooks.
 
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As the topic says.

I would buy three instantly for my whole family.

But... is it possible that apple releases such a beauty in 2018?

As others have said: zero.

I'll predict that it will be a very long time before you'll see a 4-core processor on the Macbook, simply because Apple will always prioritize battery life, size, and weight before processor power on this particular device. If you need more power, there are plenty of options in the Pro range.

FaceID? If/when Apple puts it on a laptop, it'll be the Pro first, followed by the Macbook sometime after. That said, IMHO, TouchID should have been included in every Mac device by now. Seems like a purely missed opportunity on Apple's part.

1080p webcam: not sure, but it'd be nice to at least see 720p. I think that is more realistic.
 
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I am guessing an OLED 120hz like the Alienware 13 is out of the question then...
 

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Now that I've thought about this a little more, the 4-core CPU MacBook seems less plausible, at least in the near term.

Apple removed the fan from the MacBook. When the system generates too much heat, the operating system throttles down processes, slowing everything down.

Unlike other notebook families, the MacBook doesn't let the CPU ramp up and kick in a fan to deal with heat issues.

Thus, having lots of CPU muscle doesn't add much benefit in a MacBook because the CPU will quickly reach its temperature threshold. Even if the processor has a Turbo Boost mode, the MacBook can't access it for very long before thermal issues intervene.

If a current 2-core MacBook could run in Turbo Boost mode for an hour, then yes, a 4-core CPU would be a possibility, but it can't.
 

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All I want is a 6 core 32 gig of RAM MacbookPro. IS that too much to ask? Lighter and slimmer with more emojis is not going to impress me.
this is coming for sure next year
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As the topic says.

I would buy three instantly for my whole family.

But... is it possible that apple releases such a beauty in 2018?

yes absolutely, but add in 6 cores instead of 4 since thats the new standard.
quad cores gonna still be available tho

i think late 2018 we gonna see exactly that machine.
 

ZapNZs

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Now that I've thought about this a little more, the 4-core CPU MacBook seems less plausible, at least in the near term.

Apple removed the fan from the MacBook. When the system generates too much heat, the operating system throttles down processes, slowing everything down.

Unlike other notebook families, the MacBook doesn't let the CPU ramp up and kick in a fan to deal with heat issues.

Thus, having lots of CPU muscle doesn't add much benefit in a MacBook because the CPU will quickly reach its temperature threshold. Even if the processor has a Turbo Boost mode, the MacBook can't access it for very long before thermal issues intervene.

If a current 2-core MacBook could run in Turbo Boost mode for an hour, then yes, a 4-core CPU would be a possibility, but it can't.

How much do individual CPU specimens vary? The MacBook's dual core in mine seems to be capable of running above its base frequency for a reasonably extended period. Presumably due to heat issues, it does not seem to be able to reach its full 3.0 GHz turbo frequency, but it can sustain a higher frequency than I imagined it would when I purchased it. Is there significant variation among individual m3 chips?
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