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2019 Formula 1 Season Thread
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Vettel just referred to the Stewards as “Kindergarten Cops.” That will go over well in his next incident.
Yeah just saw that, the best opinion I’ve heard so far.. and he drives for Ferrari! Let them race, but the rules have been made to be confusing, contradictory, stupid, designed to get in the way of racing..
That’s why if they take the win away I WILL cancel my Sky sub as I’m not in contract currently..
Vettel just referred to the Stewards as “Kindergarten Cops.” That will go over well in his next incident.
Vettel is probably feeling quite smug, knowing that the Montreal incident is making their lives very hard for them right now. If that incident hadn't happened then they would've already declared Max the winner. But if they're going to be consistent with the rules regarding leaving space for a driver, then Max is about to lose the win.
Lose-lose decision coming because of previous decisions. And this kids, is why you don't penalise racing and mistakes.
I think it definitely could be a penalty. Max was clumsy and was definitely going to overtake Charles. There were plenty of opportunities left in the race for a clean pass. It was otherwise a great drive by Max (similarly can’t fault Lando and Charles).
On a side note I can’t see Gasly keeping his drive unless he had a major car fault. Can’t remember the last time otherwise a driver lapped his teammate.
On a side note I can’t see Gasly keeping his drive unless he had a major car fault. Can’t remember the last time otherwise a driver lapped his teammate.
He would say that. He is a sore loser. My prediction is that MAX will be penalised. If you have rules you have to apply them without favour and fearlessly. Max overtake was illegal.Vettel just referred to the Stewards as “Kindergarten Cops.” That will go over well in his next incident.
F1 Fans: We don't like the stewards
Vettel: I don't like the stewards
F1 Fans: VETTEL IS A SORE LOSER
Still no official decision, which the pundits see as an intention to penalize Max and give the win to Charles but wanting to wait until the "Orange Army" leave the track.
Ferrari is said to be having a celebration in their paddock, so take that for what you will.
Ferrari is said to be having a celebration in their paddock, so take that for what you will.
Indeed. I was under the impression the delay was due to the large contingent of Max fans. Could be potentially explosive.
2020 will be passing in DRS Zones only at the rate things are going.
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When you cancel tell them it’s due to being traumatized having to listen to Martin Bumble.
I’m not sure I want teams coaching drivers on the racetrack to be honest. It’s down to the drivers to make judgements on where they go on the racetrack in my opinion.
Thank goodness, the stewards have ruled to take NO FURTHER ACTION IN THE MAX V LECLERC INCIDENT.
Max keeps the win.
http://www.planetf1.com/news/verstappen-retains-austria-gp-win-leclerc-stays-second/
Max keeps the win.
http://www.planetf1.com/news/verstappen-retains-austria-gp-win-leclerc-stays-second/
You may be disappointed to know that that's exactly what happens. The teams are constantly informing the drivers of who is coming up behind them in qualifying. If they weren't then we'd have a lot more cars tripping over each other. And then it would absolutely be the driver's responsibility to keep the track clear, otherwise, you'll have deliberate blocking going on.
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Verstappen v Leclerc. No Further Action.
It took 3 hours to announce no penalty. There are endurance races which take less time than this decision took.
No, the delay in the decision was because both Max and Leclerc has to visit the stewards to give evidence, now seeing as they had a million interviews to carry out straight after the race, this delayed that part of the process and the decision.
This may be what is being said, but that doesn't make a huge amount of sense. In any other in-race incident, the decision is made within minutes without evidence being given. Vettel and Lewis weren't given this opportunity in Montreal. What makes this case so special?
It was badly managed. Again. A stewards decision should not take as long as a Blancpain GT Endurance race.
It makes perfect sense??? They have interview after interview after interview... the stewards cannot stop all that for their investigation as that’ll annoy the press...
Let’s not forget they most likely also had their driver debriefings before too. This can easily take a couple of hours plus after the race.
It doesn't make any sense. No series (including F1) takes this long, or goes through this amount of trouble to make a decision. Generally (like, greater than 99% of the time), decisions are taken without drivers having to give evidence. An identical incident to this where Bottas shoved Verstappen off the track (oh the irony) in Germany did not call the drivers to the stewards after the race. Vettel and Lewis were not called in Montreal. I can't think of any other series I watch where driving standards decisions take 3 hours after the race is over to decide. Certainly a violation in an ACO, SRO or IMSA regulated event will have you done within a few laps at most.
Even if they decide they are going to go the extra length then the excuse of holding it up to "annoy the press" is ridiculous. What else annoys the press is being unable to post race reports, headlines and social media because they have no idea who won the race. Driver debriefs can also wait.
I suppose they needed to use the bathroom, have a shower, feed the cat, walk the dog, have a nap and do the dishes before speaking to the stewards too. Clearly, the result of the actual race is less important than everything else.
Great race today. Actual passing on the track!
So glad there were no stupid penalties.
Lando drove brilliantly. As did Max (well apart from his start).
LeClerk didn’t do much wrong either.
More races like this please!
So glad there were no stupid penalties.
Lando drove brilliantly. As did Max (well apart from his start).
LeClerk didn’t do much wrong either.
More races like this please!
Such a better race than France in terms of excitement and keeping my interest. And glad the stewards decided not to take further action, but I agree they took way too long to come to that decision. They penalized Seb within a couple of laps of his incident and decided they did not need to speak to either driver so they could have done the same here and settled it by the podium ceremony so everyone watching could have signed off knowing Max would keep his win.
I smell a rat. After the French GP there were a ton of stories about the racing being boring, a procession. Even a story where Hamilton said that it was boring. Then qualifying where amazingly Mercedes does not dominate the front row. Then a story how Bottas is amazed about Ferrari's speed down the straights and how they are struggling. Hmmmm, anyone think that the headshead spoke to Mercedes and said: you've got the constructor's championship and driver's championship in hand how about easing up....the fans need to see some racing and someone else win for a change.
Simple. Since the Canadian Grand Prix, every steward decision has been under more and more scrutiny. All public and media opinion has been negative. So it was a very politically charged decision they were going to make.
It is just quite pathetic that they openly buckle to the pressure, and fully agree that it is ridiculous to take 3 hours to make a decision that could have been made in like 3 minutes. Look at the available camera angles, and take a look at the telemetry of the cars. Make decision. Done.
Either Max did not have the corner and purposely goes in too deep to force Leclerc off the track, or he does have the corner and has the right to determine the racing line. Boiled down even more - Max either has the corner or he doesn’t.
You can see that he clearly did. Leclerc pulled out wide and gave Max the apex (much more so than in the previous lap). Max simply took it and said, “thank you very much!” and took a deeper line, as is his right in that situation, and that was it.
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It is just quite pathetic that they openly buckle to the pressure, and fully agree that it is ridiculous to take 3 hours to make a decision that could have been made in like 3 minutes. Look at the available camera angles, and take a look at the telemetry of the cars. Make decision. Done.
Either Max did not have the corner and purposely goes in too deep to force Leclerc off the track, or he does have the corner and has the right to determine the racing line. Boiled down even more - Max either has the corner or he doesn’t.
You can see that he clearly did. Leclerc pulled out wide and gave Max the apex (much more so than in the previous lap). Max simply took it and said, “thank you very much!” and took a deeper line, as is his right in that situation, and that was it.
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In F1 anything is possible. Even that tinfoil hat conspiracy theory. But today, I don’t care if that was true, it was still loads more entertaining than anything since China last year
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I think the pace of the Mercs was genuine. The heat caused them issues.
Ferrari have been faster in a straight line for awhile.
But some tracks will always favour (or in this case, hinder) a particular car.
Would love to see some more races like today. Maybe a wet/dry race would liven things up.
Ferrari have been faster in a straight line for awhile.
But some tracks will always favour (or in this case, hinder) a particular car.
Would love to see some more races like today. Maybe a wet/dry race would liven things up.