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I smell a rat. After the French GP there were a ton of stories about the racing being boring, a procession. Even a story where Hamilton said that it was boring. Then qualifying where amazingly Mercedes does not dominate the front row. Then a story how Bottas is amazed about Ferrari's speed down the straights and how they are struggling. Hmmmm, anyone think that the headshead spoke to Mercedes and said: you've got the constructor's championship and driver's championship in hand how about easing up....the fans need to see some racing and someone else win for a change.

Nope, because Mercedes struggle with cooling their car, they have done so last year too. No rat just a worst design over other cars on the grid in that respect, the track temp was 55c you know.... they don’t have fans on the cars apparently either!
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It doesn't make any sense. No series (including F1) takes this long, or goes through this amount of trouble to make a decision. Generally (like, greater than 99% of the time), decisions are taken without drivers having to give evidence. An identical incident to this where Bottas shoved Verstappen off the track (oh the irony) in Germany did not call the drivers to the stewards after the race. Vettel and Lewis were not called in Montreal. I can't think of any other series I watch where driving standards decisions take 3 hours after the race is over to decide. Certainly a violation in an ACO, SRO or IMSA regulated event will have you done within a few laps at most.

Even if they decide they are going to go the extra length then the excuse of holding it up to "annoy the press" is ridiculous. What else annoys the press is being unable to post race reports, headlines and social media because they have no idea who won the race. Driver debriefs can also wait.

I suppose they needed to use the bathroom, have a shower, feed the cat, walk the dog, have a nap and do the dishes before speaking to the stewards too. Clearly, the result of the actual race is less important than everything else.

I can remember times when the drivers have gone to see the stewards actually, it’s not a conspiracy theory or anything new.... your reading waaayyyyy too much into it all.
 
It’s not a conspiracy. I never said it was, and I never tried to imply it was. I’m trying to say that they’ve created a farce with the current situation. Drivers have been to the stewards, but not to decide the result of a win in a 3 hour debate. I can’t think of any series which has taken 3 hours to decide a win over a driving incident.

The fact it even took 3 hours should be worrying. They decided it was a racing incident but that could’ve so easily gone the other way. We give credit for the right call, but it’s obvious that wasn’t always going to be the outcome.

Great race but the debate in the stewards room highlights that F1 still has major issues to deal with. What's the old saying? Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence.
 
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It’s not a conspiracy. I never said it was, and I never tried to imply it was. I’m trying to say that they’ve created a farce with the current situation. Drivers have been to the stewards, but not to decide the result of a win in a 3 hour debate. I can’t think of any series which has taken 3 hours to decide a win over a driving incident.

The fact it even took 3 hours should be worrying. They decided it was a racing incident but that could’ve so easily gone the other way. We give credit for the right call, but it’s obvious that wasn’t always going to be the outcome.

Great race but the debate in the stewards room highlights that F1 still has major issues to deal with. What's the old saying? Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence.

But this is F1..... it’s a sport where the rules make no sense what so ever now..... don’t be surprised by anything they do.
What other sport do you know off where the same person and team wins race after race after race.. by 20 plus seconds sometimes.. it’s ALL messed up and this weekends race was what we all needed, but it’s a one off, it’ll be back to the boring business as usual next race..
 

Pass for the lead of the IMSA race was actually very similar. (Skip to 9:20 if the video doesn't jump to that). These highlights aren't actually as good as they could be, as the cars were banging wheels and they didn't bother showing tbe second Mazda coming through. Crazy good racing.
 
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PersonallyvI think the Stewards made the right call in both cases. In Canada Vettel had made a mistake, losing control of the car, which led to the incident. In Austria, Verstappen had already passed LeClerc going into the corner, and that Leclerc was in the position outside because he'd been passed. Verstappen had the racing line.

Yeah: In both instances the Stewards had to make a tough call. But they followed the spirit and letter of F1 rules. It would have been better, in Austria, for them to have issued a ruling a little sooner.
 
It’s not a conspiracy. I never said it was, and I never tried to imply it was. I’m trying to say that they’ve created a farce with the current situation. Drivers have been to the stewards, but not to decide the result of a win in a 3 hour debate. I can’t think of any series which has taken 3 hours to decide a win over a driving incident.

The fact it even took 3 hours should be worrying. They decided it was a racing incident but that could’ve so easily gone the other way. We give credit for the right call, but it’s obvious that wasn’t always going to be the outcome.

Great race but the debate in the stewards room highlights that F1 still has major issues to deal with. What's the old saying? Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence.

I agree.. there are still major issues to deal with. I think what took so long is the discussions that took place on how Ferrari will now have been ripped off twice in the past 3 races that each would have resulted in race wins. They will need to be repaid and that took 3 hours to sort out.

That so many people are divided on the call signals there was no "right" call, only the call more people would have been satisfied with instead of outraged at which is the call they eventually made. Most of us fans want to see the wheel to wheel racing but the rules are written in a way that the incident can absolutely be interpreted in favour of either driver.
 
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I agree.. there are still major issues to deal with. I think what took so long is the discussions that took place on how Ferrari will now have been ripped off twice in the past 3 races that each would have resulted in race wins. They will need to be repaid and that took 3 hours to sort out.

That so many people are divided on the call signals there was no "right" call, only the call more people would have been satisfied with instead of outraged at which is the call they eventually made. Most of us fans want to see the wheel to wheel racing but the rules are written in a way that the incident can absolutely be interpreted in favour of either driver.

Agreed. Either way is the "right call". If they penalised Max, they were consistent. If they let it stand, they promoted good racing. It was right either way, but it was also wrong either way. They put themselves in a lose lose situation. That was predictable after Montreal, but what I don't think was expected was it would come around this quickly.
 
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My word I’ve read some whinging over the move Verstappen did on LeClec. Great to see some old fashioned wheel banging and some good overtaking. We moan when the sport has been so dull of late and then finally some racing and it’s criticised. Probably the most exciting race for some considerable time.
 
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My word I’ve read some whinging over the move Verstappen did on LeClec. Great to see some old fashioned wheel banging and some good overtaking. We moan when the sport has been so dull of late and then finally some racing and it’s criticised. Probably the most exciting race for some considerable time.
Agreed. Can’t have it both ways can they? Personally I’d rather see a bit of overtaking than a good (dull) clean race.
 
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So this is interesting. Rich Energy are saying they’ve terminated their deal, Haas are saying they haven’t. I suspect Rich Energy are in deep trouble (no product, no logo) and are trying to back out, but Haas are trying to extract every penny from them.
 
Rich Energy investors have also said they haven't terminated it. As far as the actual people in charge are concerned, there is no change to the deal. The tweet appears to have been authorised by the chief con-man, William Storey, who is the one who has the serious attitude issue.

I suspect Storey is about to get himself in even more legal hot water given the people he has funding his ventures don't agree with him.
 
British Grand Prix deal at Silverstone extended until 2024!

Yay. :)
Good news and probably increases the chances that Channel 4 will the retain terrestrial highlights (+Brit GP live) package. If there was no British GP Sky may have decided to keep everything on Sky sports, now they can let Ch4 handle the live terrestrial coverage with out having worry about their legal requirement to show it free to air.
 
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