They were saying Red Bull will probably drop Grojen but they would have to find an outside driver to replace him.
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Haas did you mean? Yeah Grosjean has been in F1 far too long and should have gone 5 years ago IMO.
No, I probably forgot the other Red Bull drivers name haha!!
I don’t think he’ll be in that seat next year, I think Botas has done pretty well though in my mind, hmm Ocon V Max.. will be interesting.
When Piquet Jr disgraced himself I though Romain was a crash prone talent who would get better with experience. He never did.
Thats the one thanks. The presenters didn’t think the Torro Rosso drivers are ready yet. So they have no idea who could replace him.
Since we're talking about Bottas, does anything think Max will be at Mercedes, soon?
Also, how many years, do you think that Hamilton has left?
Also, how many years, do you think that Hamilton has left?
Ocon.Who’s your best guess as Bottas’ replacement in 2020?
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2-3 tops if the car is still competitive.
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Maybe one for the future.
You won't get any blow back because we are not over the top like the Americans about how the national anthem needs to be respected. You will never see anyone in the UK putting their hand on their heart for example. We also do not overdo it with regard to when it is played. For example you will never see it being played before a football game. In sport it is reserved for International events where more then one country is involved.
I don’t see Max moving, Red Bull are catching up to them.
Lewis will keep going till he loses then he’ll quit.
It amuses me how so many are raving about Max. Lewis record when he entered F1 is so much more impressive. In his first season he came very close to winning the championship and ended up second. He won his first world championship in his second season. The other complaint is that he has the best car, again many forget Mercedes was winning nothing before Lewis came there and helped with the development of the car in terms of feedback to the developers. Don't get me wrong Max is a terrific driver but lets wait until he has some accomplishments behind him before we start calling him the best driver around.
I’m going to have to agree with Apple Fanboy. I thinks it’s Ocon’s seat.
However, I understand your wish.
It's been reported Max is under contract to Red Bull for next year. It's also been said he had an escape clause based on performance, however being 3rd in the championship likely cancels it. It's also reported Toto Wolf regularly contacts Max's people.
Credit to Honda for stepping up. Their improvement this year is notable. Glad to see races where a handful of drivers no longer start at the back for part replacements. It's still happening for sure, however none of these 45 place penalty things. At least, not yet.
It would be hard for any driver to leave a team that's built around them, has solid funding, and Adrian Newey. I'd love to see him go back to either Williams (or McLaren) to revitalise those programs. McLaren is making good progress. They seem to have a top racing guy there, so it will be interesting to see what 2020 holds for them.
My view (only), I don't view the speculation of Bottas being out at Mercedes is anything other than people making stories. He out-qualified Hamilton several times this year, provides great technical feedback, and is a team player. He's capable of winning races and challenging for a title. Ocon is talented.. Russell also impressed me this weekend, but it's tough to judge him in a car so far off the pace. A good CV means little once you're in the same car opposite one of the top (if not the top) driver of a generation.
Bottas in some ways reminds me of Mika H. He was always rated for his talent, but it was never super-obvious on the track. Dave Coulthard lets him pass in the Aus Grand Prix, and then he became the champion everyone thought he'd be.
There was also a rumour Alonso was signed for Ferrari next year with Vettel retiring. Stranger things have happened, however I'm not sure I'd place a wager on it.
Is it me? Does it seem like Ferrari strategy is aiding Vettel at the expense of LeClerc? (That's a question, not a statement.) Another question: Would Ferrari have been better or worse keeping James Allison?
Credit to Honda for stepping up. Their improvement this year is notable. Glad to see races where a handful of drivers no longer start at the back for part replacements. It's still happening for sure, however none of these 45 place penalty things. At least, not yet.
It would be hard for any driver to leave a team that's built around them, has solid funding, and Adrian Newey. I'd love to see him go back to either Williams (or McLaren) to revitalise those programs. McLaren is making good progress. They seem to have a top racing guy there, so it will be interesting to see what 2020 holds for them.
My view (only), I don't view the speculation of Bottas being out at Mercedes is anything other than people making stories. He out-qualified Hamilton several times this year, provides great technical feedback, and is a team player. He's capable of winning races and challenging for a title. Ocon is talented.. Russell also impressed me this weekend, but it's tough to judge him in a car so far off the pace. A good CV means little once you're in the same car opposite one of the top (if not the top) driver of a generation.
Bottas in some ways reminds me of Mika H. He was always rated for his talent, but it was never super-obvious on the track. Dave Coulthard lets him pass in the Aus Grand Prix, and then he became the champion everyone thought he'd be.
There was also a rumour Alonso was signed for Ferrari next year with Vettel retiring. Stranger things have happened, however I'm not sure I'd place a wager on it.
Is it me? Does it seem like Ferrari strategy is aiding Vettel at the expense of LeClerc? (That's a question, not a statement.) Another question: Would Ferrari have been better or worse keeping James Allison?
Vettel has been on a resurgence in the last couple of races, where as LeClerk has had a few mistakes. But I’d say generally he’s doing okay. The next few races are supposed to suit Ferrari more which is a shame for RBR.
I was convinced Vettel was going to hang up his driving gloves at the end of this year. Now I’m not so sure.
Bollocks!
Racers want to race. Hamilton wanted another shot at Max on the track. He probably felt like he had enough of a tire advantage on his 2nd set to have one more go at Max.
It was absolutely the right decision, but it wasn't without risk.
It wasn't looking good early on (1st five or six laps after Hamilton pitted), as he wasn't getting the necessary 1.3 seconds advantage yet. I would imagine every racer being a bit upset that the team took away a chance to settle the race on the track, as opposed to with pit strategy.
I thought He took his hat off but kept his dew rag on. Brits wouldn't be anywhere near as bothered as we would be.
Ocon will replace Bottas, and I predict Bottas will replace either Grosjean (more likely to me) or Gasly (Red Bull drivers were left without a drive for a lot less than Gasly).
Another scenario (and the one I would prefere) can be Bottas to replace Hulkemberg and Hulkemberg to Haas (Replacing an ousted Gro).
As for Allison, keeping a guy that does not want to be there? That's wasting money, better have a lesser talend but with strong will than a great talent who has no motivation.
Another scenario (and the one I would prefere) can be Bottas to replace Hulkemberg and Hulkemberg to Haas (Replacing an ousted Gro).
They clearly stated they will help Vettel at the expenses of Leclerc...so I think that's pretty setted in (and they showed it!).
As for Allison, keeping a guy that does not want to be there? That's wasting money, better have a lesser talend but with strong will than a great talent who has no motivation.
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For me personally, I think Max, like Ricciardo, offers some real energy when driving, and forces some good racing...
I am yet to be convinced...
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I am yet to be convinced...
It's not a matter of what i think (Ocon might be overrated) but the thing is, Bottas is not the future, and they need to find the post Hamilton (2021 may be?) so better start assessing candidates now, Ocon 2020 and may be if he does not deliver 2021 could be Russell (If i were Mercedes I would prefere Russell to Ocon, while "less experienced" I think has more talent).
Time is running out, and Ham could either retire at the end of 2020 or move to another team.
They have no choice but to start looking for a guy that can deliver at each GP, and Bottas while a good driver in a mercedes showed is not evena perfect number 2.
Russel is driving today, while Ocon is not (he is a reserve driver for AMG-MB). I want to think that could play a role in which one they take.
I do not see Bottas going back to Williams. The team is starting to make forward momentum, but they're still the back of the field. Putting him in Haas would probably be a solid boost for the team, but I kind of think both RoGro AND K-Mag have to go - neither of them is really impressing me and they are clearly not team players based on their constant driving into each other. So I would prefer both get tossed.
Now Bottas and Hulk at Haas? That could be good.
I do not see Bottas going back to Williams. The team is starting to make forward momentum, but they're still the back of the field. Putting him in Haas would probably be a solid boost for the team, but I kind of think both RoGro AND K-Mag have to go - neither of them is really impressing me and they are clearly not team players based on their constant driving into each other. So I would prefer both get tossed.
Now Bottas and Hulk at Haas? That could be good.
I do not thinkg Haas would be smart replacing both, continuity is a good thing, and I think Kmag deserve the seat more than Gro.....Russel is driving today, while Ocon is not (he is a reserve driver for AMG-MB). I want to think that could play a role in which one they take.
I do not see Bottas going back to Williams. The team is starting to make forward momentum, but they're still the back of the field. Putting him in Haas would probably be a solid boost for the team, but I kind of think both RoGro AND K-Mag have to go - neither of them is really impressing me and they are clearly not team players based on their constant driving into each other. So I would prefer both get tossed.
Now Bottas and Hulk at Haas? That could be good.
Ocon - Russell, I don' t think a money spitting company decide wich driver get a seat on loyalty.... I mean look at Red Bull... Ocon has not been driving for a year, that to me speaks more than being a reserve driver, I would go for the guy who drove in the last 12 months (but quite sure Ocon will get the seat...i could bet on it).
Definetly a good silly season, but nothing like next year