2019 Mac Pro Now Available Through Apple's Refurbished Store With Up to $4000 in Savings

[bollman]

Nobody here thinking that it is quite interesting that Apple has had so many units returned that they can offer them as refurbs?
Would be really interesting to hear the resons why they were returned. If this is the best thing since sliced bread for "pros" and that the price is by no means any problem for these "actual pros". The why were they returned?

 

[mannyvel]

Which, if true, why would you buy refurbished just to save a few bucks?

Saving money is saving money. At my previous business all of our Macs were refurbs. Money spend on machines is money you can't spend on other things.

 

[PickUrPoison]

No! Who wants this? To pay thousands to have a refresh every year... what would be the point in making it modular

There’s a refresh cycle that makes sense, but that’s not every year. Intel takes at least a couple years to put out a new Xeon. Then there might be a further wait to catch a decent GPU update cycle.

If I were to hazard a guess, I’d guess about three years, maybe less. Exactly the same schedule as iMac Pro imo.

 

[BlendedFrog]

You all are arguing over price. My question is...what made people/companies return these for Apple to turn around and consider them refurbished? I understand that Apple does like a 100 point inspection and the unit is basically brand new but something made the person/company return it.

The mac pro is a brand new product design years in the making. Seems interesting that they already have enough returned inventory to put on the refurb/clearance website.

 

[PickUrPoison]

Nobody here thinking that it is quite interesting that Apple has had so many units returned that they can offer them as refurbs?
Would be really interesting to hear the resons why they were returned. If this is the best thing since sliced bread for "pros" and that the price is by no means any problem for these "actual pros". The why were they returned?

Most people who bought it likely had a need in the first place. My guess is most of them bought a certain config based on what they thought they needed, then had second thoughts. They wanted more or fewer cores, more or less RAM or SSD, and/or a different GPU config.

When you spend that kind of money you want to get it right, from the beginning. No one wants to live with a mistake for three or five or ten years.

 

[citysnaps]

Other than Youtubers with more money than sense, there is almost no market for this machine. Anyone who was a "pro" creative or content creator using Macs in the past has either reinvested into PCs or gone all-in on iMac/iMac Pro. Over the last 6 years that Apple has pissed on its pro users, and then they insult those same users by offering a desktop machine only a small percentage of those creatives can afford.

Next year Apple will be moving Mac to ARM platform. The writing is on the wall and this expensive doorstop will be discontinued in the next 1-2 years.

Not true. Here's one. And another vid. Also check out his other preceding videos leading up to his easy Mac Pro decision.

 

[DevNull0]

It's nice that Apple sells a computer for $30,000 including monitor and stand for the 6 people on the planet who both want it and can afford it.

Do they really make more money with that monster than they would with a nice i7 tower with PCIe slots, and SATA and Ram slots? It would probably outsell this Mac Pro 10,000 to 1 in unit sales.

I love my MBP, but these days I spend about 80% of my time on my i7 desktop, running windows. I'd love to switch it to a Mac, but Apple doesn't want me to.

 

[trusso]

Love the bait-and-switch.

$4k off a $26k machine isn't even in the same ballpark as $4k off a $6k machine.

You're better than this, MacRumours.

 

[mannyvel]

Actually the question was in response to LARGE, HIGH END CORPORATE companies with LARGE WALLETS. That's what the posts were saying the Mac Pro was for. Not the individual like you and me. Big companies could care less about saving a few hundred dollars on a refurbished.

Most (or a lot) of those entities get their equipment on lease, so true, the refurbs won't be on their radar. The refurbs are really aimed more at SMBs.

 

[PickUrPoison]

It's nice that Apple sells a computer for $30,000 including monitor and stand for the 6 people on the planet who both want it and can afford it.

Do they really make more money with that monster than they would with a nice i7 tower with PCIe slots, and SATA and Ram slots? It would probably outsell this Mac Pro 10,000 to 1 in unit sales.

I love my MBP, but these days I spend about 80% of my time on my i7 desktop, running windows. I'd love to switch it to a Mac, but Apple doesn't want me to.

If you don’t want or need MacOS, you can likely save money buying a PC. It been that way for decades.

Apple knows there’s a market for Xeon workstations. The market for what you want would be tiny imo. Have they ever offered it?

 

[Techwatcher]

Is it $4000 in savings on the $52,000 option? lmao

 

[brucewayne]

It's nice that Apple sells a computer for $30,000 including monitor and stand for the 6 people on the planet who both want it and can afford it.

Do they really make more money with that monster than they would with a nice i7 tower with PCIe slots, and SATA and Ram slots? It would probably outsell this Mac Pro 10,000 to 1 in unit sales.

I love my MBP, but these days I spend about 80% of my time on my i7 desktop, running windows. I'd love to switch it to a Mac, but Apple doesn't want me to.

It is a market Apple has never catered to - especially since for the last 6 years they have gotten away with $1000+ mac minis running last generation (or older) processors and soldered on ssds.

Even going back to the original mac pros in 2006/2008 had a starting price of at least $2500 for a stripped down model.

 

[OnTheCatwalks]

I've been a Mac user for ages and recently have been looking to switch to Windows if only for the reason that you can get a monster pc for the same cost as a loaded iMac.
Mac prices are insane and the software is nowhere near as bug free as it used to be.

I tried that. I hated living in Windows. Small things become very noticeable real quick. Mac OS is just leaps and bounds ahead of Windows. Now that they have a real desktop we'll have better used options in a few years.

 

[PickUrPoison]

Other than Youtubers with more money than sense, there is almost no market for this machine. Anyone who was a "pro" creative or content creator using Macs in the past has either reinvested into PCs or gone all-in on iMac/iMac Pro. Over the last 6 years that Apple has pissed on its pro users, and then they insult those same users by offering a desktop machine only a small percentage of those creatives can afford.

Next year Apple will be moving Mac to ARM platform. The writing is on the wall and this expensive doorstop will be discontinued in the next 1-2 years.

Any creative who uses a Mac to earn revenue can afford Mac Pro. But as you say, many needs are met by iMac/iMac Pro.

 

[TonyTech]

Are you a corporate, high end company making movies or other entity that make enough money with it to pay for it many times over? That was the post I replied to, not about your average Joe.
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I was working for Discovery Channel at that time but that purchase was for my own startup Company. I get your point.

 

[PickUrPoison]

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[Sodium Chloride]

I wonder if customers who return $12,000 Mac Pro would face greater scrutiny than those who return $300 iPad?
$12,000 Mac Pro: Why are you returning it? Why, why, why?
$300 iPad: no question asked.

 

[kildraik]

Deals.

 

[mrongey]

I think only for the most narrow and specific commercial/business. There are other less expensive machines that make more sense for commercial settings. From the reviews I've seen, this machine makes more sense for the high end, large companies doing movies and what not.

It's almost like it's a machine for actual pros! People here complain when Apple slaps the "pro" label on everything, then they complain when they came out with a machine that deserves the label.

 

[MacBH928]

I am interested to know if the Mac Pro was a success for Apple or not. I still think they should do a Prosumer one.

In a couple of years you can update the GPU and storage in your Mac Pro for a lot less money than it would cost to do so with the iMac Pro (which would need to be replaced). And since intel’s processors aren’t getting any faster year after year, maybe it makes sense long term

can you install ANY gpu like on Windows or are you tied to a limited AMD selection?

 

[mannyvel]

I tried that. I hated living in Windows. Small things become very noticeable real quick. Mac OS is just leaps and bounds ahead of Windows. Now that they have a real desktop we'll have better used options in a few years.

I use windows occasionally, and even with Win10 there are things that are completely screwed up - like you ask "why did the UI person do this?" That almost never happens on MacOS.

The problem with Windows is their market is too big, so the decisions they make for their UI are wrong for everyone; there is no happy path in Win10. MacOS is a problem for advanced users, but if you stay on the happy path (which is their target) everything is smooth.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

Do they really make more money with that monster than they would with a nice i7 tower with PCIe slots, and SATA and Ram slots? It would probably outsell this Mac Pro 10,000 to 1 in unit sales.

I think the price for the Mac Pro hinges on supply and demand. Very low demand means the price is higher so each purchase pays for itself. Whatever Apple would charge for a system like you describe (being a low demand system) would very likely be more than most would want to pay.

Apple COULD make an inexpensive macOS system, but I think their inexpensive focus is squarely in the iOS area (which, looking at supply and demand makes sense). The Apple tax has become the macOS tax! LOL

 

[subi257]

I've been a Mac user for ages and recently have been looking to switch to Windows if only for the reason that you can get a monster pc for the same cost as a loaded iMac.
Mac prices are insane and the software is nowhere near as bug free as it used to be.

Mac computers were always big bucks! mid early 90's I bought a USED Mac iiCX with keyboard, monitor for $3700.00

 

[compwiz1202]

Any discounts for the Monitor stand? it's hard to balance my monitor with a bunch of bricks and a hanger.

Or a buy three get one free for the wheels

 

[subi257]

It's nice that Apple sells a computer for $30,000 including monitor and stand for the 6 people on the planet who both want it and can afford it.

Do they really make more money with that monster than they would with a nice i7 tower with PCIe slots, and SATA and Ram slots? It would probably outsell this Mac Pro 10,000 to 1 in unit sales.

I love my MBP, but these days I spend about 80% of my time on my i7 desktop, running windows. I'd love to switch it to a Mac, but Apple doesn't want me to.

Then you don't NEED this computer to get your work done. There are many people/facilities that do. Then there are the people that are doing work that is beyond what this computer/Mac OS will do and they re running Linux workstations. HP has a desktop workstation that blows this away in performance and price $120K. It's called the Z8 workstation and it can have 3TB RAM, 4 Quadro P8000 GPUs, 48 TB NVME SSD, 6 additional drive bays, Etc.

Everybody was complaining that Apple was ignoring the "pro" market...well, here it is the "pro" machine, now everybody is complaining. When We purchased our 4 5,1 Mac Pros back in 2012 they were almost 12K each.

The reality is that computing has changed, crazy pro software no longer costs 100s of thousands of dollars and most of mid level pros are okay with that. Big facilities are not. We run an edit facility with 12 Edit bays connected to over 750TB of storage connected via 10GB/s optical fiber. Flame used to cost 4-5 hundred thousand dollars, it now is happiest on a Linux box and can be had for only 75K initial and 3k/month software licensing.