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Seems like the Mac Pro is just incredibly overpriced because it provides a "box of slots" to upgrade it in the future, and of course you're not getting a display at all with it either. I used to love the older Mac Pro towers - but they were priced more "down to earth" so they were costly, but worth it for enthusiasts, power-users, professionals, etc. Now, the iMac Pro really fills that general space and this Mac Pro is as high-end as Apple could build the thing, seemingly to say "Told you we could do it!"

And some will purchase the new Mac Pro and immediately fill every slot. And, consider it a bargain, improving their workflow/productivity.
 
Still too damn high - I will wait till it goes to 2500-2000 then I will get it.
If you mean $2,000-2,500 new, it’ll never happen. Apple’s never going to sell a Mac Pro where they lose $2,500 per machine.

If you mean $2,000-2,500 used, good luck with that too. Five years from now that $6,000 box is still going to be worth $3,000-3,500 easy.
 
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That display is bound to last forever... I’m still using an old iMac from 2013 (SSD’ed to revive it) and two Apple Thunderbolt displays from 2011, still up and running like new. The quality is, for real, insane.
Regarding GPU, you got a point, but I’m seriously thinking making the upgrade to an iMac Pro... with a good eGPU case the graphics cards can be kept upgraded.

My main point about the display is that it would be good if it was usable with another computer. It is fixed to that iMac forever.

I have a Mac Pro from 2010 which also runs very well still. It runs Catalina (though not officially supported) and has a new RX 5700 XT graphics card, an NVMe drive for macOS, an SSD with Windows 10, a USB-C PCI-E card, a Blu-ray disc reader and lots of storage inside the computer.

An external graphics card connected via Thunderbolt 3 also hampers performance quite a bit compared to having it inside a computer connected via the PCI-E slot.

I do think iMac is a great computer in many ways, but I sure prefer a tower when it comes to my desktop computing. Being able to choose to attach with higher refresh rate than the old 60 Hz is also something I'd like to be able to do.

So, I do wish Apple would offer a "headless" iMac desktop tower.
 
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Hopefully they update this thing more often than in the past....which will drive the current gen pricing down (hopefully).

While it obviously depends on what Apple's intentions are in regards to processors (AMD/rolling their own, etc.) assuming they keep on with Intel, you're unlikely to see a new machine for two years (for example, the W-21XX/W-22XX processors had 26 months between their releases, and we still haven't seen Apple use them for the iMac Pro.)

Best case scenario is they add new GPU modules and adjust BTO prices in the meantime.
 
An iMac 3.6 GHz i9, 32 GB RAM, 1 TB Flash, Raden Pro Vega 48 costs $4,049 compared to the Apple certified refurbished iMac Pro base model is $3,499 and has the much improved cooling, improved speakers, improved mics, improved webcam, more Thunderbolt 3 ports, etc.
I’m seeing the iMac Pro for $4,249 on the refurb site, where do you see it for $3,499?
 
That’s an awesome price, but personally I have a long-standing policy against any refurb, except for Apple refurbs. Just too much of a crapshoot. (However, I like OWC a lot. I’m not passing any judgment on their refurbs in particular, just so-called refurbs in general.)

I would probably trust OWC even a little more than Apple.
 
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That’s an awesome price, but personally I have a long-standing policy against any refurb, except for Apple refurbs. Just too much of a crapshoot. (However, I like OWC a lot. I’m not passing any judgment on their refurbs in particular, just so-called refurbs in general.)

Agreed, I normally do not trust any other retailers refurbished policies.. but OWC I would probably make an exception. Very tempting.. been looking at this model for a couple months now.
 
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If you mean $2,000-2,500 new, it’ll never happen. Apple’s never going to sell a Mac Pro where they lose $2,500 per machine.

If you mean $2,000-2,500 used, good luck with that too. Five years from now that $6,000 box is still going to be worth $3,000-3,500 easy.

Of course in a few years. Thats how I was able to upgrade from 2006 to 2008 and then to 2010 Mac pros. I plan on maxing out the 2010/2012 Mac Pro, so I can use it(assuming it retains value) towards the purchase of the 2019 Mac Pro.
 
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I would be willing to bet most returned units were either demos, YouTube unboxing, or just the curiosity of someone with a credit card. Many people buy things on credit with the full intent to return. In the rare chance, maybe someone bought a machine with a 580 vs the new bottom W5700 cards.
 
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