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2020 27-Inch iMac Reviews: A Great Machine for Working From Home With Upgraded Camera, Speakers, Microphone and More

Look, the next iMac is going to have much smaller bezels, no chin so visually everyone is going to want it, it will really stand out (look at the renders, they are gorgeous). However, it will essentially be an iPad with a built in stand and comes with a keyboard & weird mouse. All the x86 apps you know run will work due to Rosetta, but not well at all... it's in the fruit's best interest to have a lot of users clamoring for AS versions of all those apps. OTOH, no bootcamp either on those machines, a non-issue for many but an issue for many as well. AS GPUs are going to be interesting...
 
ErikGrim said:
As someone who dropped $5K AUD on one, LOL. This is exactly what people were saying with the last G5s :rolleyes:
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Nah, there were legit reasons to go to Intel. But ARM just means macOS is going to be neutered and sandboxed and gimped like iOS/iPadOS, and we all know it.

I know for a fact macOS-side of Adobe, Blackmagic, Avid, etc software suites will end up being second class to PC once it's all ARM. They won't even bother optimizing, and eventually they won't even bother releasing. These companies are obsessed with the bottom-line and the bean counters will override marketing decisions. Tragic because nothing really beats macbook build quality over the last decade (aside from butterfly keyboards which are gone now)

So yeah, this is the last real mac as far as I'm concerned. Hopefully we get one last mac mini update to 10th gen Intel and maybe a dGPU option
 
jlocker said:
Like I have been saying it is a great time to purchase a new Mac. Yes we will get to ASIC machines, but these have been proven with years of service. Yes will I some day get a ASIC Mac? Yes but right now with AppleCare that lasts 3 years at the end I can see how the new ASIC computers have progressed and turn in the old Mac for a new Mac. Or wait another year if things are still rocky.
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I was thinking of this as well. What would you guess the trade-in value might be?
 
poematik13 said:
Nah, there were legit reasons to go to Intel. But ARM just means macOS is going to be neutered and sandboxed and gimped like iOS/iPadOS, and we all know it.

I know for a fact macOS-side of Adobe, Blackmagic, Avid, etc software suites will end up being second class to PC once it's all ARM. They won't even bother optimizing, and eventually they won't even bother releasing. These companies are obsessed with the bottom-line and the bean counters will override marketing decisions. Tragic because nothing really beats macbook build quality over the last decade (aside from butterfly keyboards which are gone now)

So yeah, this is the last real mac as far as I'm concerned. Hopefully we get one last mac mini update to 10th gen Intel and maybe a dGPU option
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Agreed. It's possible that all apps will come need to come from the Apple app store only. In which case, all companies that sell software outside of the App Store will now have to give Apple a substantial cut when it sells in the App Store. I'd imagine many software companies are not going to go for that.

I'm not so sure everyone is taking all the possibilities into consideration about this move to Arm. There is excitement about the possible performance, but it's Apple, there may very well be a dark side.
 
Ordered mine Wednesday. 10 core with the Radeon Pro 5700XT. I stuck with the 8GB RAM as Apple charges an exorbitant amount for RAM upgrades. I'm going with 32 GB. Apple wants $600. I can get it from Amazon for $120ish. I want BootCamp which Apple Silicon won't support.
 
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I'm one of those who don't get the bezel problem. On a phone it makes sense since you have to hold it. But a 2-in. wider screen on my desk isn't a big deal. I have a narrower LG monitor attached and never think about the difference.

But FaceID or TouchID should a feature.

$500 to etch the screen!
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The chin wouldn't be an issue for me; but as far as the side bezels go, I work across multiple large monitors that are pushed up against each other and, for that configuration, it's nice if the size bezels are as thin as possible.
 
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On the 6k XDR thread (https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...rd.2217129/page-3?post=28169125#post-28169125) people were going back and forth trying to decide between the nano (matte) vs. glossy panels. The nano of course does control reflection better, but isn't as tack-sharp as the glossy. Here I'll repost my summary of what those who had had a chance to work with both finishes were finding, in case it might be helpful to those on this thread weighing the decision:

theorist9 said:
Seems the consensus is the glossy for text and numbers (e.g., Word, coding, spreadsheets), since it's sharper—and the nano for photo and video work (particularly if you can't easily control the ambient lighting, or just like a brighter room) since, for those applications, the reduction in sharpness isn't noticeable, while reflections can be a significant problem.
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I don't know if the iMac will show identical differences between the nano vs glossy finish. But that can probably be confirmed with Apple.
 
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poematik13 said:
I know for a fact macOS-side of Adobe, Blackmagic, Avid, etc software suites will end up being second class to PC once it's all ARM.
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That's a very strong claim you're making. How do you know that "for a fact"? Reports are that both MS and Adobe have been collaborating extensively with Apple to ensure their respective suites (Office, CC) are properly ported to ARM, e.g.:

"Meanwhile, Office developers have apparently devoted serious resources to porting the corresponding Office Mac apps to Arm so they can run as native 64-bit apps on the new Macs." [https://www.zdnet.com/article/arm-b...-but-irrelevant-to-the-future-of-windows-pcs/]

Indeed, the collaborations between Apple and mfrs. with large, important, complex software suites (like MS and Adobe) started well before the release of the DTK at the last WWDC, because Apple realized they would need more time to port this complex software properly.

How do you know "for a fact" this is not the case? Do you have high-level contacts within Adobe/Microsoft/Apple telling you this?
 
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The chin wouldn't be an issue for me; but as far as the side bezels go, I work across multiple large monitors that are pushed up against each other and, for that configuration, it's nice if the size bezels are as thin as possible.
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This is the one truly compelling argument for thin bezels in a desktop display, as far as I have ever been able to see.
 
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acader said:
The grill has become part of the logo, or you can say that the grill itself has become the logo. But the design of the car changes every 5 years. Apple's logo is timeless, but the design has changed over time. However, in the last 4-5 years, the design of almost every apple product has remained stagnant.
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The radiator grill on the front of the bmw is in no way part of its logo. It’s just a timeless classic design.

derbothaus said:
So are shooting angles.
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It’s the same shooting angle. It’s plainly obvious that that window would be reflected on both screens.

poematik13 said:
Nah, there were legit reasons to go to Intel. But ARM just means macOS is going to be neutered and sandboxed and gimped like iOS/iPadOS, and we all know it.

I know for a fact macOS-side of Adobe, Blackmagic, Avid, etc software suites will end up being second class to PC once it's all ARM. They won't even bother optimizing, and eventually they won't even bother releasing. These companies are obsessed with the bottom-line and the bean counters will override marketing decisions. Tragic because nothing really beats macbook build quality over the last decade (aside from butterfly keyboards which are gone now)

So yeah, this is the last real mac as far as I'm concerned. Hopefully we get one last mac mini update to 10th gen Intel and maybe a dGPU option
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‘For a fact’ hey. I don’t think you know that for a fact at all now do you.
 
csw82 said:
Ordered mine Wednesday. 10 core with the Radeon Pro 5700XT. I stuck with the 8GB RAM as Apple charges an exorbitant amount for RAM upgrades. I'm going with 32 GB. Apple wants $600. I can get it from Amazon for $120ish. I want BootCamp which Apple Silicon won't support.
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MacSales is a good place to buy Apple compatible 3rd party hardware: https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/memory/imac-2019-27-inch

They're who I've always bought my Mac RAM from - no issues with any of it over 13 years so far.
 
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Namara said:
[from the Verge’s review]: “One thing that doesn't feel modern at all with the 2020 iMac is logging in. Unless you have an Apple Watch and use it to unlock your computer, the only way to get in is to type out your password like an animal.”

Like an animal?? Animals can type passwords? 🤪🙈
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Apparently in Canada they can -- given the number of times Rene Ritchie, former iMore editor turned independent tech journalist and videomaker, uses that term!
 
mozumder said:
Wondering how long these things will be usable, considering the switch to ARM. Maybe 5 years max?
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Likely -- but for people who need a powerful desktop for editing HD/4K video using Final Cut Pro, or music using ProLogic X, and can't afford the downtime as Apple learns to run those kinds of apps on Apple Silicon, that time will be what they need. They can fiddle with less expensive Apple Silicon desktops and laptops while using the Intel Mac as their workhorse....
 
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I had a 2017 iMac that I sold ... I both manually backed-up my data as well as time-machined it.

my 2020 iMac will be here in a week or so ...

for the 2017 I did a fresh install of Catalina and added back those apps that I needed/used (cleaned up my installation quite a bit) ...

WOULD THERE BE ANY PROBLEMS RESTORING MY 2017 IMAC -> 2020 IMAC?
 
Can anyone confirm if this new 2020 iMac is compatible with Boot Camp/Windows 10? Honestly, there are just a few legacy games that I just don't want to leave behind should I upgrade.
 
Miles Teg said:
I want to know if you can install and boot off Mojave instead of Catalina.
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You can install both but you have to reboot each time
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jschrab said:
Can anyone confirm if this new 2020 iMac is compatible with Boot Camp/Windows 10? Honestly, there are just a few legacy games that I just don't want to leave behind should I upgrade.
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Max tech did it on YouTube
 
poematik13 said:
Nah, there were legit reasons to go to Intel. But ARM just means macOS is going to be neutered and sandboxed and gimped like iOS/iPadOS, and we all know it.

I know for a fact macOS-side of Adobe, Blackmagic, Avid, etc software suites will end up being second class to PC once it's all ARM. They won't even bother optimizing, and eventually they won't even bother releasing. These companies are obsessed with the bottom-line and the bean counters will override marketing decisions. Tragic because nothing really beats macbook build quality over the last decade (aside from butterfly keyboards which are gone now)

So yeah, this is the last real mac as far as I'm concerned. Hopefully we get one last mac mini update to 10th gen Intel and maybe a dGPU option
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Spot on. I’d question who would buy an arm Mac? Software will be pathetic for it. You’ll have to use an emulator for anything worthwhile. Devs won’t exactly flock to this dead on arrival apple silicon platform (or want to give Apple 30% as it will be locked down) while many more millions of intel macs are in the wild to support and make money on.
 
paulcons said:
Look, the next iMac is going to have much smaller bezels, no chin so visually everyone is going to want it, it will really stand out (look at the renders, they are gorgeous). However, it will essentially be an iPad with a built in stand and comes with a keyboard & weird mouse. All the x86 apps you know run will work due to Rosetta, but not well at all... it's in the fruit's best interest to have a lot of users clamoring for AS versions of all those apps. OTOH, no bootcamp either on those machines, a non-issue for many but an issue for many as well. AS GPUs are going to be interesting...
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Yep. Basically a chromebook. It won’t matter how fast it is if there’s no worthwhile software. That kind of describes current iPads.
 
VanNess said:
Be my guest but if the redesign turns out to be a 24 incher only, then it’s DOA for me. Doesn’t matter what’s inside or if it’s a redesigned iPad-like form factor, once you go 27 there’s no going back. I’ve had 24 inch iMacs in the past and although they seemed fine back then, today is a different story.
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Yes. I had a 24 inch iMac. Decent size.

Problem is. Once you have 27 inches. It's hard to go back. Regardless.

So, I agree with your reflections.

Azrael.
 
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