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They are outclassing the competition by some margin and it is for others to catch up. Budgets may mean that only applies to Ferrari and RedBull, but neither can do it.

The problem is a significant portion of Mercedes "outclassing" is in the Power Unit department and under FIA rules you cannot make significant changes to a PU. As such, the others are not allowed to "catch-up" until 2022 when the new PU rules come into play.

And whomever gets it right then will have the advantage until the next PU rules change comes into play.
 
The problem is a significant portion of Mercedes "outclassing" is in the Power Unit department and under FIA rules you cannot make significant changes to a PU. As such, the others are not allowed to "catch-up" until 2022 when the new PU rules come into play.

And whomever gets it right then will have the advantage until the next PU rules change comes into play.
Not a great system. Choose your development last year and hope you get it right. If not, you don’t get to try again until next year.
Drop the engine tokens F1. It’s not working.
 
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Not a great system. Choose your development last year and hope you get it right. If not, you don’t get to try again until next year.
Drop the engine tokens F1. It’s not working.

Change the rules so that top 3 or top 5 can’t make engine changes for the next race. Something to make it more interesting for the midfield.
 
Not a great system. Choose your development last year and hope you get it right. If not, you don’t get to try again until next year. Drop the engine tokens F1. It’s not working.

Agreed. When they dropped them in 2017 we actually had competitiveness in PUs again.

I understand why they brought it back for this year and next with COVID crippling revenues and therefore there is a real need to control budgets - not just to keep the Customer Teams afloat, but also to keep the Factory Teams in the sport - but now it's just locked-in Mercedes again like the original Token system did in 2014-2016.
 
That is the problem with highlights, it’s misses vital parts of races and how they can expect 90% of F1 fans to put up with that is beyond me.

Chuffed for Gasly though, he’s a good driver and really showing his potential. Just hope he never goes back to Red Bull and finds a decent team with the support needed. It would have been a boring race had Hamilton not got his penalty but the fact he went from dead last to seventh shows how good he and the package is. In fact I think it highlighted it more than any other race this year. If he’d started from the back at the start, he probably would have won!! Mental really.
Gasely would be natural fit for Renault with Ocon except for Alonzo being there for next 2 years.
 
I agree but also understand why Renault would be happy to have Alonso back as he’s still one of the best drivers in the world. Gasly will get his turn somewhere I’m sure of that.
Alonso has been my fav for many years and I hope he still has something left so show for his $36m. If Gasly is available in 2yrs when Alonso’s contract is up he will be perfect fit for French team.
 
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F1 isn’t about being fair, it’s about the technological advances.
You make the fastest car, you win. The constructors championship is what it’s all above, to the teams the driver’s championship is the side show.
 
F1 isn’t about being fair, it’s about the technological advances.
You make the fastest car, you win. The constructors championship is what it’s all above, to the teams the driver’s championship is the side show.

The constructors is number one but the drivers title is amazing from a marketing perspective. It’s become almost as important and to manufacturers it’s a big pull when selling cars. If you ask the engineers and mechanics though, it’s the constructors championship that they are working towards.
 
I was trying to remember the last time the constructors was won and the driver title was not. Apparently it’s happened 10 time’s in the 70 years.
I guess this is the issue, 2 drivers per team, and if you are one of the 'wealthiest', then you can get two amazing drivers, and therefore that scenario plays out. Should it be 1 driver per team, and more teams? Or officially recognising a no 1 and a no 2 driver, and have specific salary caps for each.
 
wow.

Gasly, Gasly, Gasly... it was a fluke gang. I enjoyed it as well but seriously...

It's only one win and it wouldn't have happened without LeClerc's wreck and Sainz ill timed pit stop.
 
I guess this is the issue, 2 drivers per team, and if you are one of the 'wealthiest', then you can get two amazing drivers, and therefore that scenario plays out. Should it be 1 driver per team, and more teams? Or officially recognising a no 1 and a no 2 driver, and have specific salary caps for each.
In general the best car will win. How many other drivers would win the championship in a Mercedes this year?
Max would.
Alonso would.
Le Clerc would.
Daniel Would.

But would Lewis best them all as his team mate? Probably. But Mercedes don’t want the in house competition. They don’t need it. They will win with a poor second place guy.
 
But Mercedes don’t want the in house competition. They don’t need it. They will win with a poor second place guy.

This is exactly the problem. Everyone talks about regulations and politics and how to make F1 more competitive, meanwhile Mercedes could just dump Bottas and sign a young, fast driver to make at least the driver's championship exciting again. Easy fix. Hamilton is no messiah, Bottas is just the incarnation of a B driver and massively lacks overtaking skills.

And true, they may think they don't need internal competition. But in reality, every additional year of boring Hamilton dominance leads to F1 losing some of its audience and significance. What's the worth of dominating an increasingly meaningless series? So in the long term, Mercedes needs competition just like any other constructor in F1. That's why their anti-competitive behavior (internal and external) is so mind-bogglingly shortsighted and, in my eyes, tarnishes the image of the brand.
 
In general the best car will win. How many other drivers would win the championship in a Mercedes this year?
Max would.
Alonso would.
Le Clerc would.
Daniel Would.

But would Lewis best them all as his team mate? Probably. But Mercedes don’t want the in house competition. They don’t need it. They will win with a poor second place guy.

Personally I don't think Lewis would best them all. I'm not saying he wouldn't, because he can but it probably wouldn't go down like that. When you have two aces in the pen, they'll often tumble over each other. Look at all the times Hamilton actually had competition. Him and Alonso didn't quite get along, ended tied on points while giving the title away to Kimi. Lewis & Nico was never really harmonious.

There's a reason they love Bottas.
 
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Personally I don't think Lewis would best them all. I'm not saying he wouldn't, because he can but it probably wouldn't go down like that. When you have two aces in the pen, they'll often tumble over each other. Look at all the times Hamilton actually had competition. Him and Alonso didn't quite get along, ended tied on points while giving the title away to Kimi. Lewis & Nico was never really harmonious.

There's a reason they love Bottas.
I’m sure they’d all do a better job than Bottas. But at the expense of a harmonious garage. If the second place team was even close to pushing them, they’d have dispensed with his services years ago. But they have a very healthy cushion. Healthy for them. Not for us!
 
And look at it from Bottas' perspective - he may be the de facto #2 driver in the Mercedes team, but that is far better than being the #1 driver in a Williams. :p
 
And look at it from Bottas' perspective - he may be the de facto #2 driver in the Mercedes team, but that is far better than being the #1 driver in a Williams. :p
You’ve got a point. But when Lewis does hang up his driving gloves I doubt they will be looking to Bottas to land the next WC!
 
You’ve got a point. But when Lewis does hang up his driving gloves I doubt they will be looking to Bottas to land the next WC!

I wonder... If he had the team 100% behind him and a solid #2 supporting him, I think he could win a WDC. He clearly has talent and driving for the best team in the best car does have benefits.
 
I wonder... If he had the team 100% behind him and a solid #2 supporting him, I think he could win a WDC.

Look at Massa in 2008. He almost won the WDC when he was finally treated like a #1 at Ferrari (and yes, I know Räikkönen was the true #1, but I feel the team jelled behind Massa based on his performance that season and treated him like a #1).
I think in a car so far ahead of everyone else, he would also nearly get you a WC. The issue is Lewis is a winning machine. If Bottas was always able to deliver a solid number 2, then maybe. But this weekend he was nowhere. I have nothing against Bottas, but I can't see him ever getting a shot at the title with Mercedes. I don't think he is good enough.
 
I wonder... If he had the team 100% behind him and a solid #2 supporting him, I think he could win a WDC. He clearly has talent and driving for the best team in the best car does have benefits.
The great drivers have always come in to teams and either outperformed teammates or exerted authority in a psychological sense. Look at Senna when he dominated the environment in Prost’s then team McLaren. Lewis from the very off was matching Alonso for pace pre 2007 season in testing which raised more than a few eyebrows at the time. Considering he’d only driven an F1 car three times and Alonso was a double WDC, it gave us all a glimpse into a driver who was a talent rather than a driver who had learned his trade well. Bottas is a driver who is good on his day but seems to lack that ruthless nature compared to previous champions who have screwed over teammates in their quest for the ultimate prize. Teams don’t just get behind drivers, they are often drawn that way due to results and potential first.
 
The great drivers have always come in to teams and either outperformed teammates or exerted authority in a psychological sense. Look at Senna when he dominated the environment in Prost’s then team McLaren. Lewis from the very off was matching Alonso for pace pre 2007 season in testing which raised more than a few eyebrows at the time. Considering he’d only driven an F1 car three times and Alonso was a double WDC, it gave us all a glimpse into a driver who was a talent rather than a driver who had learned his trade well. Bottas is a driver who is good on his day but seems to lack that ruthless nature compared to previous champions who have screwed over teammates in their quest for the ultimate prize. Teams don’t just get behind drivers, they are often drawn that way due to results and potential first.
Exactly. Lewis has always outclassed his team mate. He is a great driver. Yes he has a great car. But remember when he left McLaren for Mercedes? No one thought that was going to bring him glory. Yes Nico beat him one year. How many engine failures did he have that year? Regardless of what you think of him, you can't deny he is one of the all time greats.
 
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Exactly. Lewis has always outclassed his team mate. He is a great driver. Yes he has a great car. But remember when he left McLaren for Mercedes? No one thought that was going to bring him glory. Yes Nico beat him one year. How many engine failures did he have that year? Regardless of what you think of him, you can't deny he is one of the all time greats.
To be fair Lewis outclassed Rosberg in 2016 in terms of performances and with one extra DNF. He had more engine failures on race weekends than Nico but managed more often than not to claw it back during the races. The points lead Nico had was vast and for Lewis to finish just 5 points behind him is often overlooked and the fact Nico finished behind Lewis in the last four rounds. I can fully sympathise with Nico for finding it exhausting as it would be highly unlikely he’d have a better chance to win a title. History since has proven he was wise to finish on a high.
 
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