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The reports regarding the cooling where the reason I did not upgrade my late 2014 iMac (512 GB SSD, i7, 16 GB RAM) with the 2019 iMac.

As I occasionally need x86 virtualisation I want a new Mac before Apple Silicone comes hoping that in a few years emulation can be used to execute x86 operating systems.

As I also want a quiete iMac I am wondering if I would ne better of buying the iMac Pro, although I am probably the only one who does not like the grey case. As I would buy the iMac somewhat maxed out with the fastest graphics, 32GB RAM and 4TB SSD the price difference would not be so much and would not be an issue. But I fear, rhat the iMac Pro, beeing the older model does not get updates as long as the 2020 iMac (btw., Apple should publish a clear roadmap for this).

An other option would be to keep my iMac for probably two more years, if it ladt that long, and buy an additional Mac Mini with intel processor.

What do you think?

People are pondering about whether Apple will discontinue the iMac Pro because it did not get an update this round.

From a Marketing perspective (Apple has the numbers and is now completely driven by it) it is best for Apple to wait before updating any other product to allow all of the compulsive buyers to grab the first new updated system. Then...later update the iMac Pro when they see the numbers level out or decline on the resent iMac sales.

Not giving the option to add the non-glare option to the iMac Pro is a good marketing tool to get people questioning and guessing (and some to buy the recent iMac). Then when they update the iMac Pro later this year those who were early adopters will sell the iMac and upgrade to the "cool" and "New" iMac Pro. Apple won't miss out on the compulsive sell...for the stats and looks good for the quarterly earnings...

Will never get a clear road map...would hurt hitting numbers at certain times to appease shareholders...Tim is good at that.

As you will read here on theses forums, just buy what you can afford at the time or your need and call it a day. The day after tomorrow when you order whatever, it will be obsolete before it arrives at your door. Future proofing is now useless, the name of the game now is just get what you need that does basically why you want, if not...you become the very "number" on Tim"s and marketing's stat..and proof they are right.. ;)
 
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What historical evidence are you using to make this claim?

Unless this thing is 0 decibels and at ambient temp at 100% cpu and gpu utilization then extra cooling is warranted.

The argument that this machine is designed for general use is invalid because the possible hardware performance of the selected components begs to differ.

They might not if they are able because they would rather have big sales on their new silicon Macs and appease shareholders instead of pushing intel systems now.

Their focus is the new (technology) system (both hardware and OS), this iMac is probably due to already purchased and scheduled output to go good and conclude any contracts (and deplete supplies etc.). This iMac was probably developed months ago or more or last year (quickly) to shift focus on what is next.
 
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If it was me I'd pay for the 4Tb just to have the ability to upgrade it later

You won't be able to. Half of storage is soldered on the logic board on the 4Tb and 8 TB models.
T2 chip will also prevent any upgrade, even if you would replace the 4 NAND chips soldered on the logic board.

NO UPGRADE, even on the 4TB and 8 TB models. that's it. This machine should not be bought.
 
I'm contemplating picking up a new "old stock" 2019 iMac 27" with the 575x video card, just so that I can upgrade in the future
You can.
I've upgraded many 2019 iMac iMac 27" 5K with plain regular M.2 NVMe SSDs, costed ~$300 for a 2 TB SSD and it goes at 3000MB/s.
Also put a core i7-9700 in it and resold the core i5-8600.

Very, very happy.
 
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Upgrades Apple officially supports ≠ upgrades that are physically possible

Except in the case of the 27" iMac 2020 upgrades ARE physically impossible.
On the 256MB to 2 TB models, all the storage is soldered, yes, but ALSO on the 4TB - 8TB models half of storage is soldered..
Even if there is 1 expansion connector, the fact that half of storare is soldered means you won't be able to upgrade anything.

Even if it would be physically possible which is not, T2 chip would prevent any upgrade by the way
(there is no tool such as with the Mac Pro)

For economics reason (not technical as there is plenty of empty space) Apple decided not to build a new, larger, logic board on this Mac, so they didn't put 2 storage modules like in the iMac Pro, but they soldered half or all of the storage.
 
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NO UPGRADE, even on the 4TB and 8 TB models. that's it. This machine should not be bought.

Or, just buy what you'll need. I bought the 1tb SSD with the 2014 imac because it was what I needed at the time. I would now like a bit more and one of the most significant upgrades I want with the new machine is the 8tb SSD with more speed.

Assuming this machine does me for another 5-6 years that should be enough internal storage, and by that time the processor and graphics could also do with a step up I'm guessing.

If it were possible to upgrade my 2014 imac components I still wouldn't, as I'd like to upgrade the processor, graphics, SSD size and speed, and the tb2 to tb3 for interfaces. And 10gbe would be nice too. And a matte screen.

So it's pointless to do piecemeal upgrades. Buy the right machine, such that in five or six years you upgrade everything together.
 
It's hardly a surprise that Apple are so thoroughly mean with internal SSDs. I've got a Mac mini and I went for 256gb internal SSD but have 4TB attached via thunderbolt. I only use the internal drive for the system and applications - the bulk of my stuff is on the TB drives. I'll use this thunderbolt connection if I ever upgrade to an iMac - tempted to get a lovely big one in a couple of years time.
 
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Well if applying tape to something is a challenging task in your world I’m guessing we will just have to agree to disagree.
No, not challenging at all, apparently only vaguely tricky.

And this guy didn’t even get to the point of lining up the tape to put it back together. :)
 
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This is a "dentist reception office" computer. There was never any point in adding better cooling. For that matter, not obvious why they even bothered upgrading the chips.

I'm buying the latest iMac. But I did find that funny.

Any chance of laying the smack down on the rest of the Apple Mac line up?

Azrael.
 
I think that the people buying this machine will buy it because it has very limited changes.

Anybody looking at more revolutionary evolutions will wait for next year (or the year after, depending how much you want to be the first to try).
 
I think that the people buying this machine will buy it because it has very limited changes.

Nah, they will buy it because they bought into the transition fear and want the last Intel iMac that will exist. Just a few will buy it because their computer crashed and need one right now
 
i would want a fully loaded config
but it takes the price $2000 above what i can afford or deemed reasonable - for now
 
pointless to do piecemeal upgrades. Buy the right machine, such that in five or six years you upgrade everything together.

Absolutely, it's pointless. Let just, in 2020, build computer that will last only 5 years, then we ship then to Ghanaian people who will love to recycle our soldered, obsolete e-waste.

Everyone has to be happy with that, after all we will be all dead one day so who cares about what will occur afters.

Why on earth should we care to make things that last more than 5 years ? I'm so stupid.
 
Well at least the CPU is still socketed even though the RAM and SSD is now soldered, and the headers for the physical drive and upgrade SSD have been removed. Good 'ol Apple: controlling profits by gimping their own products.
Yeesh.
 
Or, just buy what you'll need.

So it's pointless to do piecemeal upgrades. Buy the right machine, such that in five or six years you upgrade everything together.

What you need RIGHT NOW might not be what you'll need five years from now. I just completed a massive upgrade on my parent's 2013 21.5" iMac a few months ago. Replaced the spinning drive with a Samsung 2.5" SSD for their media files, installed a 256GB SSD blade to run the OS an apps from and doubled the RAM to 16GB. What was a "slow" almost 7 year old machine prior now has new life and frankly comes insultingly close to the 2019 model in real world use. They don't need the 4K res screen as they are in their 70's, and they aren't playing PUBG on the thing so the GPU isn't an issue either. Basically I added another five years or so of life to their main computer for about 250 bucks and an hour of labor. But please, tell us again how "it's pointless to do piecemeal upgrades." Forced Obsolescence is a thing, and Apple doesn't even deny it. Ask any Apple Genius and they will tell you it's more "affordable" to just buy a new computer if yours breaks, and it absolutely does not have to be that way for any reason other than Apple's need to control their silicone and protect their already inflated profit margins. The truly tragic part of all this is it is consumers like you that let Apple get away with it.
 
I’m still using my 27 inch retina 5K iMac that I bought in 2014 and it still is pretty fast

It’s nice that Apple made one last Intel iMac but I am going to hold out for the redesigned iMac with Apple Silicon that will probably come out next year

That's quintessential Osborne effect... in effect. Another way of looking at this machine is that it's the desktop equivalent of the 2015 MBP (to ride out the first few lemons to roll off the ARM assembly line).

 
What you need RIGHT NOW might not be what you'll need five years from now. I just completed a massive upgrade on my parent's 2013 21.5" iMac a few months ago. Replaced the spinning drive with a Samsung 2.5" SSD for their media files, installed a 256GB SSD blade to run the OS an apps from and doubled the RAM to 16GB. What was a "slow" almost 7 year old machine prior now has new life and frankly comes insultingly close to the 2019 model in real world use. They don't need the 4K res screen as they are in their 70's, and they aren't playing PUBG on the thing so the GPU isn't an issue either. Basically I added another five years or so of life to their main computer for about 250 bucks and an hour of labor. But please, tell us again how "it's pointless to do piecemeal upgrades." Forced Obsolescence is a thing, and Apple doesn't even deny it. Ask any Apple Genius and they will tell you it's more "affordable" to just buy a new computer if yours breaks, and it absolutely does not have to be that way for any reason other than Apple's need to control their silicone and protect their already inflated profit margins. The truly tragic part of all this is it is consumers like you that let Apple get away with it.

I’m still using, although less each day, my early 2013 21.5” iMac with Fusion drive that has performed without issue as one of my work machines. I understand the need to upgrade, if your parent’s iMac came with the pitiful HDD, but for most people, getting 7 years out of a computer is an exceptionally good investment and there is often a “want” in getting a newer device, not simply a need.

I would assume, even for people buying today’s new iMac 27” with Intel inside, that they’ll get the same ~7 years of use out of them, and by then there will have been several other changes / updates that won’t be possible to do via upgrading hardware piecemeal, that will make it an easy decision (or the only decision) to buy the newest Apple iMac or whatever it may be called then. And it won’t just be Apple that is making their computers less able to be upgraded. Every PC manufacturer is moving this direction too, for several reasons. One is that the market for DIY upgrading of computers shrinks every year.

The other is that as tech evolves, in order for it to move forward, you can’t design everything to be replaceable / upgradable. If you did, the upgrades would only be possible using the input type that was from the past, which almost always is going to be slower and with less bandwidth than what we have today (or in the future). If computer companies stuck with this thinking going back to when they were using serial connections, imagine how terrible computers today would be.

Recent advancements with USB will buy some time for more recent devices, given the speed and bandwidth can be enough to run system software on external drives or to run external GPU devices. But even USB-C is changing, as its speed and bandwidth improves, and you will not be able to [easily or possibly at all] upgrade to newer faster USB-C I/O controllers 5 years from now, if they even remain as the dominant connection format.

Just think how people used to complain because Apple didn’t include the ability to add additional storage to their iPhones, while most other cell phone manufacturers offered external sd drive compatibility. But today, in order to have the fastest memory, everyone is using internal only storage and the complaints are all but silenced. Because the reality was, using those sd cards, especially back when they were REALLY slow, made them painful to use. They’ve made improvements to the speed of the sd cards themselves and somewhat to the drives, but they’re pitifully slow, like your parents hdd in their iMac was, when compared to the internal storage out there now.
 
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Do you think this hasn't been planned for years? The whole business strategy for Apple has been this and we will all see the results in Big Sur and the next computers.

No company makes major decisions on a whim and especially one as big as Apple.

... and why did they show us a slow Mac mini - Clone and not a fast Workstation ?

Do you remember the introduction of the Intel-Macs ? -- I think at last twice as fast as the fastest G5 Mac Pro.
 
Kind of a shame about the fan. These are high priced units regardless of config, and the idea that the better cooling fan was too expensive to be included is curious.
My guess is the 2020 iMac thermal management has really been designed to accommodate next year's super efficient Apple silicone. I wouldn't be surprised if the performance of the CPU throttled horribly under load. That's exactly what happened with the 2020 MacBook Air. It has a newer gen CPU than the 2020 MacBook Pro but throttles under load because of inadequate cooling. When you artificially cool the MacBook Air the performance jumps, and with enough extra cooling it could even outperform the 2020 MacBook Pro.
 
My guess is the 2020 iMac thermal management has really been designed to accommodate next year's super efficient Apple silicone. I wouldn't be surprised if the performance of the CPU throttled horribly under load. That's exactly what happened with the 2020 MacBook Air. It has a newer gen CPU than the 2020 MacBook Pro but throttles under load because of inadequate cooling. When you artificially cool the MacBook Air the performance jumps, and with enough extra cooling it could even outperform the 2020 MacBook Pro.
How long until we get first hand reports, in your opinion?
 
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