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No mention of Pro motion on the new Air yet. That would be deal breaker for me at this point if it's not included.

I'd love to choose between the new MBP and the Air but I don't want to wait up to another 9 months for the privilege.
 
The entry level Macbook Pro makes no sense, should be dropped.
probably was planned to be, but the pandemic may have changed that.

they might just keep it until the new year and/or run deals (holidays) on it until stock depletes and they get the new MBP in good quantities/inventory. Plus they can still provide them In-store right now.

I don't think its like iPhones though TBH.
Since iPhones are in high demand Apple can create huge orders for their new models and sell their older model inventories to carriers (MVNO) and axe those older models from their product line offerings. (theory)

I've been extremely curious about what happens with the older inventory when apple stops selling them online.
 
probably was planned to be, but the pandemic may have changed that.

they might just keep it until the new year and/or run deals (holidays) on it until stock depletes and they get the new MBP in good quantities/inventory. Plus they can still provide them In-store right now.

I don't think its like iPhones though TBH.
Since iPhones are in high demand Apple can create huge orders for their new models and sell their older model inventories to carriers (MVNO) and axe those older models from their product line offerings. (theory)

I've been extremely curious about what happens with the older inventory when apple stops selling them online.
based on their supply management expertise - their inventory is probably measured in weeks - I've never seen a fire sale of Macs anywhere - the best you can do is the Apple Refurb store 15%-30% off
 
based on their supply management expertise - their inventory is probably measured in weeks - I've never seen a fire sale of Macs anywhere - the best you can do is the Apple Refurb store 15%-30% off
People go APE-$H!T when apple offers a discount on any product that isn't an iphone.

Slickdeals forum people go crazy when they save $5 on a Apple watch! ?

If they get anything from $50-$200 off any MacBook its frontpage "deal" and all comments are BUY NOW.

So yeah its not going to be a clearance fire sale, but if Apple offers a holiday discount (of any kind) those people will buy it as if their lives depended on it.
 
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The entry level Macbook Pro makes no sense, should be dropped.
Right now it is the only laptop Apple has in that price point. They'll keep it around for now. It does off what the Air does, but with a better screen and a cooling system so that the processor doesn't throttle on heavy load. That's not important to everyone but it does matter to some customers.

I expect, next year when they redesign the Air, either that model will expand to cover the low-end MBP's price point or they will have a low spec version of the 14" pro in it's place.
 
Unless your budget is $1300...nothing wrong with options when money is involved.

They already have the Macbook Air that covers that price bracket and has the same specs.

Right now it is the only laptop Apple has in that price point. They'll keep it around for now. It does off what the Air does, but with a better screen and a cooling system so that the processor doesn't throttle on heavy load. That's not important to everyone but it does matter to some customers.

I expect, next year when they redesign the Air, either that model will expand to cover the low-end MBP's price point or they will have a low spec version of the 14" pro in it's place.

Screen is identical, unless you are referring to software locking it from 500 nits to 400 nits. The customer that would be concerned with throttling is going to buy the $1999 Pro.

The current Air already covers that price point, the 8-core CPU & GPU M1 version of the Air (same as base Macbook Pro) starts at $1,249.
 
They already have the Macbook Air that covers that price bracket and has the same specs.



Screen is identical, unless you are referring to software locking it from 500 nits to 400 nits. The customer that would be concerned with throttling is going to buy the $1999 Pro.

The current Air already covers that price point, the 8-core CPU & GPU M1 version of the Air (same as base Macbook Pro) starts at $1,249.
Close to same specs but not the same machine. I have both an air and pro with M1, and I prefer the keyboard and the screen of the 13" pro. Also, longer battery life in the pro. IMO all worth the extra $$$.

Add the fact that the 14" is a steep jump at $700, again more choices are better for the users. Why tell apple to limit our choices.
 
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I'm interested to see how Apple is going to handle CPU/GPU balance. The big leverage on the Pro/Max is going for GPU acceleration.
 
Close to same specs but not the same machine. I have both an air and pro with M1, and I prefer the keyboard and the screen of the 13" pro. Also, longer battery life in the pro. IMO all worth the extra $$$.

Add the fact that the 14" is a steep jump at $700, again more choices are better for the users. Why tell apple to limit our choices.

Keyboard is the same unless you mean Touch ID? Screen is also the same as I've already written, the Air is just software locked to 400 nits instead of 500.

It's not a big deal obviously, I just like the old Steve Jobs Apple that had simple and well thought out product lines, not a mumbo jumbo of overlapping product lines that were put together with no forethought. They simply should have called it Macbook (like the 2015-19 version) if they were planning to keep it around.
 
Keyboard is the same unless you mean Touch ID? Screen is also the same as I've already written, the Air is just software locked to 400 nits instead of 500.

It's not a big deal obviously, I just like the old Steve Jobs Apple that had simple and well thought out product lines, not a mumbo jumbo of overlapping product lines that were put together with no forethought. They simply should have called it Macbook (like the 2015-19 version) if they were planning to keep it around.
FYI....The keyboard is not the same. There is a difference between the two. The travel on the M1 pro is more suited to my typing style. The keys on the air of a little wider and flatter. with less travel. If there wasn't a difference I would not have mentioned it. As I said, I own both.

I actually think the laptop line is well thought out now. Air for college and travel, low cost entry into the MacBook world. M1 pro for those who can afford a little better specced machine (screen, fan, speakers, wider trackpad, battery life, non wedge design for those that care about that; I will agree that it maybe not as good a value of the air) and the M1 pro and max line for those wanting actual pro level power in a laptop. (but at a very steep cost of entry).
 
They update their CPU cores every year, so I think it’s safe to expect yearly updates.
I hope you're right! iPhones are released every year. For sure, it's becoming incremental updates. Perhaps Macbooks could see yearly releases too (or up to 1.5 years), even if it's for smaller updates.
 
Close to same specs but not the same machine. I have both an air and pro with M1, and I prefer the keyboard and the screen of the 13" pro. Also, longer battery life in the pro. IMO all worth the extra $$$.

Add the fact that the 14" is a steep jump at $700, again more choices are better for the users. Why tell apple to limit our choices.
I purchased both the MBA and MBP M1 and had them side by side for a number of days. The screen was actually better on the MBA as the MBP had pink tint issues. Keyboard I preferred on the MBA too, the MBP felt a bit hollow. Also, I much prefer the wedge design, much easier on my wrist for long coding sessions. Lastly, no fan, so less to go wrong down the road.

I guess this is why Apple gives options, different tastes. For what I need the MBA was/is perfect.
 
I purchased both the MBA and MBP M1 and had them side by side for a number of days. The screen was actually better on the MBA as the MBP had pink tint issues. Keyboard I preferred on the MBA too, the MBP felt a bit hollow. Also, I much prefer the wedge design, much easier on my wrist for long coding sessions. Lastly, no fan, so less to go wrong down the road.

I guess this is why Apple gives options, different tastes. For what I need the MBA was/is perfect.
No argument...to each his/her own...but its good to have choices.
 
Agree. And if it's true that it'll have a notch then my money is on this machine having the exact same 14" screen as the 14" MBP except without ProMotion.
Maybe a choice of 12 or 14 inch (approx.)?

Though that could appear to tread on the toes of the 12.9 IPP.
 
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Right now it is the only laptop Apple has in that price point. They'll keep it around for now. It does off what the Air does, but with a better screen and a cooling system so that the processor doesn't throttle on heavy load. That's not important to everyone but it does matter to some customers.

I expect, next year when they redesign the Air, either that model will expand to cover the low-end MBP's price point or they will have a low spec version of the 14" pro in it's place.
Maybe a low end version of the 14 inch pro might happen, but im really struggling to think what they could remove from the 14 inch to put it at the current 13 inch mbps price tag while not cannabilizing the sales of the upcoming m2 air. If the upcoming air starts at 1300, which it probably will if it does have a miniLED display (and that was also the price of the air when it got a redesign back in 2018), then that existing price point for the low end 14 inch makes no sense. If you put a low end 14inch at 1600 then what would be the justification for an extra 300 if you're already getting almost the same performance as the high end air with the display? And then what would be the justification for jumping from a 1600 low end 14 inch to a base 14 inch at 2000? A low end 14 inch pro with a high end expensive air seems a bit weird to me, only a high end air existing makes much more sense it becomes a middle point where even if you go halfway you'll get a great deal. A high-end air at the price of the current air would just make the base 14 inch mbp look ridiculous specifically if it came with a miniLED display, then that 1000 difference would just seem insane. Honestly the rumours of an air even getting miniLED seem a bit strange to me, because miniLED coming to a 1300 macbook a year after the mbp getting it seem really quick, retina took an insane 6 years. i dont think this new air will be an air at all especially if it comes with miniLED.
 
The MBA is passively cooled, so the processor will continue to be more about long battery life with incremental improvements in performance. I suspect more of an M1X than an M2. I agree that the new MBA will be more expensive than the current model. My guess is around $1,199 - $1,299, which really leaves no place for the old MBP. Instead, Apple might do the following:

MBP 14in (M2, 16GB, 512GB): $1,999
MBA 14in (M1X, 16GB, 256GB): $1,299, new colorful design
MBA 13.3 “SE” (M1X, 8GB, 256GB): $999, old classic design

All conjecture of course.
 
When the 2022 Macbook Air comes out of the closet in those nasty pastel colours how the hell are people going to hide the ugly notch when they are watching a movie or playing a game? Ever thought of that? For those who say notch won't interfere with their day to day activities are all Apple Fan Boys...Oh just add a black bar they say...smh!!
 
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