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It’s so ridiculous that Macs and iPhones will soon have the same base level of RAM. I mean seriously Apple? You can’t even really multitask on a phone.

If Apple knows their phones need more RAM every year. Surely they know their Macs need more RAM too…
 
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I think he meant having options with more then 10 core GPU and 24GB RAM.
If that’s the case it’s a bad suggestion because if you need more than 10 cores you will be pushing it hard enough for the Air to throttle; and once it throttles you can’t take advantage of a more powerful chip. Get one of the MBPs which have fans and they start with 16/512.
 
It’s so ridiculous that Macs and iPhones will soon have the same base level of RAM. I mean seriously Apple? You can’t even really multitask on a phone.

If Apple knows their phones need more RAM every year. Surely they know their Macs need more RAM too…
They know. That is why there is an option to configure 16 or 24 GB.
 
It’s so ridiculous that Macs and iPhones will soon have the same base level of RAM. I mean seriously Apple? You can’t even really multitask on a phone.

If Apple knows their phones need more RAM every year. Surely they know their Macs need more RAM too…

It’s also ridiculous that iPads and Macs having the same CPU chips, and yet here we are…
 
If that’s the case it’s a bad suggestion because if you need more than 10 cores you will be pushing it hard enough for the Air to throttle; and once it throttles you can’t take advantage of a more powerful chip. Get one of the MBPs which have fans and they start with 16/512.

Absolutely agree! If you need more then 10 core GPU and 24GB RAM, the MBA is not for you.
 
It’s so ridiculous that Macs and iPhones will soon have the same base level of RAM. I mean seriously Apple? You can’t even really multitask on a phone.

If Apple knows their phones need more RAM every year. Surely they know their Macs need more RAM too…
iPhone 15: 6 GB RAM
iPhone 15 Pro: 8 GB RAM

We're already there 😬.
 
It's supply and demand. I think the M1 range has been so good that not many people are selling as there is no need to upgrade (especially for the 16 GB models). As such, there are relatively few 16/512 or better units on eBay. Once Apple releases an update worth updating to, the market will be flooded and this is when the updated models loose their value (look at the resale values of 2018 MBAs). Of course, whether you then want an M1 model by then comes into question...

I think it’s more than a temporary imbalance in supply and demand. It’s certainly been apparent every time I’ve been looking at changing machines since we moved to soldered-on RAM. The difference is less noticeable on older devices, especially Intel Macs, which are not as desirable since the move to Apple Silicon.

Apple offering stock configurations with more RAM may reduce the premium. We should see some decent discounts on these machines now as more retailers will sell them and the supply should be greater.
 
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Let's hope so. Holding out for a 16/512 M3 Air <£999 (happy to purchase second hand if needed).
 
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Base MBA model with 16GB RAM and 512GB storage @ $999 would their dream, and if it will happen, still they would find something to complain about. 😂
The cost of storage upgrades from Apple is exorbitant. As a result, I've adopted three logical strategies:

1. Avoid purchasing these overpriced upgrades.
2. Invest in AAPL.
3. Voice my complaints about this on MacRumors.
 
8GB Memory is still good enough for students and grandma to use it to browse the web and use Microsoft Word. That's probably not going to change any time soon.
I am a grandma and a student, and I got my computers with 16 GB...
Word was stuttering in my last Windows with 8 GB lol
 
Let's hope so. Holding out for a 16/512 M3 Air <£999 (happy to purchase second hand if needed).
I'm after the same spec.

The last two MacBooks I've bought have been 'refurbished', but not from Apple. They were purchased three months after launch at between 25-30% off. I'm hoping to get a similar deal this time.
 
It’s also ridiculous that iPads and Macs having the same CPU chips, and yet here we are…

That I don’t mind too much. That is providing the iPads with an overpowered chip that is then underutilized. No real harm to consumers with that one.
 
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They know. That is why there is an option to configure 16 or 24 GB.

Please don’t get me started on Apple’s offensive and obscene RAM/SSD price structure.

I was comparing base model iPhones to base model Macs…which is the standard configuration sold in all stores across the world…it is what most people experience when buying an iPhone or Mac…
 
I am encountering the spinning beach ball of death more often than I should be on an Apple Silicon Mac, yes.



It is sometimes. Though, the fact that it's speedy to the point of me not noticing it doesn't negate the fact that it's happening at all to begin with. If one has enough RAM, you ought to not need swap unless you're doing something that pushes the machine to its limits. That's what swap is for. I shouldn't be needing to swap on ten browser tabs, Mail, and Messages. The notion that this is acceptable behavior because I'm not "feeling" the slowdown is absurd.



Who does???



Again, I'm talking ten browser tabs (a small amount for even casual users), Mail, and Messages. This isn't one of those "you're holding it wrong" scenarios. I'm using the machine for basic purposes, like all of you "8GB of Memory is enough for most user" folks keep saying this machine is for, and I am seldom with green memory pressure.

If that's not "casual computing" use cases, then I challenge someone to give me a more up to date definition. Anyone paying over $1000 for a Mac should forget 8GB and start at 16GB of RAM and 512GB of storage.

Doesn't sounds to me like this is a "you're holding it wrong" scenario as much as it is "you can hold it different"

If you don't like hitting Swap you should have gotten 16 even though you're still going to hit swap with 16. That's just modern computing now and why you should always have your data on external. Your main SSD should have only your few vital programs and lots of room for swapping. Your Cached SSD Storage should be checked and cleared often. Using SSD everyone is burning TBWs. But with your workload, that thing will last longer than the suggested TBW limit by years. That's a 10-15 year machine with that workload.

If you're not doing that memory management yourself, I suggest using CleanMyMacX. Takes care of all that for you! Makes your computer feel snappy and new. If you are still pinwheeling and your computer is still dragging take it to a Mac Genius Bar or repair shop pronto.

Good Luck!
 
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Apple largely sells their base spec computers to either casual users who just want something for everyday tasks or in bulk to industry and education; either way it makes business sense for them to maximise profits on bulk items or where the average customer won't notice the difference.

MacOS is also coded differently to the resource hog that is Windows and doesn't need as much memory for anything other than transcoding video, coding or CAD and if you're business requires this done ASAP Apple has a whole line of Pro computers you will love.

It sucks that it costs so much money to upgrade something like the RAM which you could do for $30 on a PC
 
Since you are asking about the Mini then its clear you dont depend on portability, so the answer is yes

I do. I plan to use the computer at different locations at home. I could go for laptop or Mini + a portable monitor. Too bad there is no M3/M3 Pro Mini announcement yet for me to compare different options.
 
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I use MBA m2 base configuration 8/256 for office work, now I invested in m3 Macbook Pro (base configuation as well 8/512). Work is Pages, Keynote, PP, Excel, Word, Outlook, occasional Logic Pro and Final Cut work, and in no way I felt somehow limited by 8GB of RAM. I even checked the Activity monitor and there was very little memory pressure, indeed some RAM was even idle.
 
Apple largely sells their base spec computers to either casual users who just want something for everyday tasks or in bulk to industry and education; either way it makes business sense for them to maximise profits on bulk items or where the average customer won't notice the difference.
Certainly, Apple earns expected profits from base spec sales. However, the real profit bonanza lies in their upgrade markups, particularly for storage, with markups sometimes surpassing 1000%.

There seems to be a limit to their pricing, likely based on market tolerance. The cost of upgrading to 2 TB can equal or exceed that of their base computers or iPad Pros.

It's intriguing why they don't opt for even steeper prices, like $200,000 for 2TB, especially since there appear to be numerous apologists here who would still be willing to purchase at such levels.
 
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Certainly, Apple earns expected profits from base spec sales. However, the real profit bonanza lies in their upgrade markups, particularly for storage, with markups sometimes surpassing 1000%.

There seems to be a limit to their pricing, likely based on market tolerance. The cost of upgrading to 2 TB can equal or exceed that of their base computers or iPad Pros.

It's intriguing why they don't opt for even steeper prices, like $200,000 for 2TB, especially since there appear to be numerous apologists here who would still be willing to purchase at such levels.
I'd be the first person to call out Apple for removing value from their entry products to upsell to the Pro's but then again does anyone really care?
 
Word was stuttering in my last Windows with 8 GB
Stuttering how? 95% of the work done with MSWord is the user at the keyboard. I have a 200 page document with indexes, table of contents, alternating footers, images, multiple styles and I have never experienced "stuttering" with that document on Windows or Mac.
Please don’t get me started on Apple’s offensive and obscene RAM/SSD price structure.
Yet people don't complain about the obscene prices for a cup of coffee at Starbucks. Priorities. That $200 upgrade to memory, amortized over 5 years, is $0.10 a day. Yet these same people find no issue spending $8.00 for a cup of coffee, each day, when said coffee could be made at home for $0.05.

I have run Lightroom, Photoshop, Topaz Photo AI, half a dozen web pages, FTP client, OneNote, and Mail open at the same time. Never an issue with 8GB of ram.

I suspect that most of the 8GB versus 16GB arguments are people that want something for nothing. A sense of entitlement.

Yes, Apple's prices for upgrades are high. So are upgrades to a new vehicle. So are upgrades to a house. So are upgrades to a recreational vehicle. For real insanity on pricing look at the prices of recreational tow boats. Simple upgrades are very costly. Want an extra battery, tack on about $1000.00 for a battery that only costs $100.00. Pulley for a marine alternator is $200.00 while the same pulley for a car is $15.00. The only difference is a stamp that says marine use.

Simple solution, if you don't want 8GB, then don't buy it. As long as Apple can sell 8GB machines, and charge $200.00 for an upgrade, Apple will do so. Much to the joy of their stockholders.
 
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Stuttering how? 95% of the work done with MSWord is the user at the keyboard. I have a 200 page document with indexes, table of contents, alternating footers, images, multiple styles and I have never experienced "stuttering" with that document on Windows or Mac.

Yet people don't complain about the obscene prices for a cup of coffee at Starbucks. Priorities. That $200 upgrade to memory, amortized over 5 years, is $0.10 a day. Yet these same people find no issue spending $8.00 for a cup of coffee, each day, when said coffee could be made at home for $0.05.

I have run Lightroom, Photoshop, Topaz Photo AI, half a dozen web pages, FTP client, OneNote, and Mail open at the same time. Never an issue with 8GB of ram.

I suspect that most of the 8GB versus 16GB arguments are people that want something for nothing. A sense of entitlement.

Yes, Apple's prices for upgrades are high. So are upgrades to a new vehicle. So are upgrades to a house. So are upgrades to a recreational vehicle. For real insanity on pricing look at the prices of recreational tow boats. Simple upgrades are very costly. Want an extra battery, tack on about $1000.00 for a battery that only costs $100.00. Pulley for a marine alternator pulley is $200.00 while the same pulley for a car is $15.00. The only difference is a stamp that says marine use.

Simple solution, if you don't want 8GB, then don't buy it. As long as Apple can sell 8GB machines, and charge $200.00 for an upgrade, Apple will do so. Much to the joy of their stockholders.

Agreed. Apple can charge whatever it wants for upgrades. If it’s too high, people will stop buying. They seem happy enough with the balance of upgrade cost and people buying them.
 
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That’s like saying I am faster than Usain Bolt because I can walk faster than he can.
Except they never once stated outright that M chip was faster than RTX, period. They always said at the same power draw the M outperformed the RTX. In which case, if you can walk faster than Usain Bolt, then at a walk (same power draw) you are faster than Usain Bolt. They didn't state anything incorrectly; you missed what they actually said. Which was vastly more important than just being top end faster.
 
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