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2026 Porsches Still Won't Have Next-Gen CarPlay
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Does either of these actually look (or read) like they need CarPlay 2.0?
are we comparing apples to apples? Vw Touareg with Audi A1 ?In terms of tech, there’s surprisingly a few features available as options on higher-end VWs that aren’t offered in their Audi siblings.
Off the top of my head, stuff like “snow-mode” blue HUD and Akrapovič exhausts. And VW was first to provide wireless CarPlay a good 12 months before Audi got their act together. As for Mercedes, I drove a rental EQC400 last year, straight from the factory. €80,000 and yet I still had to go out and buy a cable to use CarPlay
I have since the beginning wireless apple car play on my EQS for over 3 years now.
Maybe that rental car didnt had that option, thats all and by today standards 80k is cheap since everything went up by 30% in car industry in the last 3 years
That is the new Premium Platform Electric from the A6 e-tron with the new oled MMI . They clearly dont need Carplay, but it will be nice to be as it is now , as an option
As long as they DO support CarPlay, unlike GM or Swasticar, I’m good.
But then again I'm driving a Kia. Which supports CarPlay.
But then again I'm driving a Kia. Which supports CarPlay.
Exactly
GM is facing all kinds of criticism right now because of the fact that their new EVs won't have CarPlay support while their regular/ICE/gas powered cars will
If they're doing this, why go only halfway and nix CarPlay support from some of your cars???
Seems silly if you ask me.
GM does support CarPlay on its gas/ICE vehicles
It's only the the EVs they've nixed CarPlay from
But yes, I'm right there with ya; no CarPlay, no go for me
I don't know about you, but I would
The reason why those of us who use CarPlay love it so much more compared to the manufacturer's built-in UI is because it gives you much better control of your phone
When I had my stock head unit before I got an bigger 12" aftermarket one (as the stock 7" one in my RAV4 was laughably small even for 2021 standards), I barely even used the built-in system as I mainly used CarPlay for listening to my music and podcasts right from my phone
Based on all of what we've been seeing in recent months/years with manufacturers having no plans for this CarPlay 2.0/next gen CarPlay, I wouldn't be surprised if this ends up going the way of AirPower
Same with CarKey as well; I honestly haven't heard much about that ever since its introduction a few years back
Same with CarKey as well; I honestly haven't heard much about that ever since its introduction a few years back
I have a Taycan and a Macan EV. Porsche (and vw group) has been flip flopping on their tech interfaces for a while now. The Taycan uses some proprietary underpinnings but does support CarPlay reasonably well and does have integration to Apple Maps for EV routing and charging. You can also get information like heating, cooling, mileage, etc in the CarPlay interface on the main display.
The Macan EV uses (and is probably what the new models will use) a new android auto based underlying platform, that has native google maps etc. It also supports CarPlay very well, with integration into the dash / console display for maps (ie dual screen maps) and routing information. But it does not yet support Apple Maps EV routing or the app that allows you to control various car systems. You also get maps/routing in the heads up display if you have that. And can use the secondary passenger display if you have that.
The general suspicion is that upgrades to this new android-auto based platform will eventually support the next generation CarPlay.
On a daily driver these things are to me more nice to haves vs. imperatives. The existing CarPlay integration is fine. I just don' have a strong need to have so many massive screens and information in my cars.
The Macan EV uses (and is probably what the new models will use) a new android auto based underlying platform, that has native google maps etc. It also supports CarPlay very well, with integration into the dash / console display for maps (ie dual screen maps) and routing information. But it does not yet support Apple Maps EV routing or the app that allows you to control various car systems. You also get maps/routing in the heads up display if you have that. And can use the secondary passenger display if you have that.
The general suspicion is that upgrades to this new android-auto based platform will eventually support the next generation CarPlay.
On a daily driver these things are to me more nice to haves vs. imperatives. The existing CarPlay integration is fine. I just don' have a strong need to have so many massive screens and information in my cars.
I don't get why my Kia Niro Plug In Hybrid SX Touring doesn't support wireless CarPlay, but the other Niro models do. I had to buy a USB-A to USB-C cable when I got the car 2 years ago. I rarely drive more than the electric range so I only put gas in a few times a year unless I'm on a road trip.
Porsche ditched this a while ago. For decades it was 5 gauges with a huge tach in the middle. The last of the analog is gone, it's all digital and customizable now.
They've made 911s for a long time if you have the nostalgia just get an old one, they're good.
I have a feeling that Apple as a company is going to head deep into a “correction” - everybody including Apple is betting on AI because there’s nothing else to bet on.
And AI as a product isn’t all that interesting as a consumer proposition. Sort of like AR/VR. Exciting! New! Revolutionary!
But nothing useful to consumers.
So wash, rinse, repeat, AI people: exponential growth! exponential capabilities! Exiting! New! Revolutionary!
But nothing useful to consumers.
Keep humping that dream tech/fin bros.
A computer in our the palm of our hand is basically the plateau we’re on right now and it seems we’re going to be here for a while.
And AI as a product isn’t all that interesting as a consumer proposition. Sort of like AR/VR. Exciting! New! Revolutionary!
But nothing useful to consumers.
So wash, rinse, repeat, AI people: exponential growth! exponential capabilities! Exiting! New! Revolutionary!
But nothing useful to consumers.
Keep humping that dream tech/fin bros.
A computer in our the palm of our hand is basically the plateau we’re on right now and it seems we’re going to be here for a while.
GM is dropping car play in its ICE offerings and running a proprietary Google Auto platform starting in 2026. They want to monetize all the user data and make you pay for a data subscription.
This is about as smart as BMW wanting to charge a subscription for heated seats. It’ll backfire immensely and Car Play will be back in 2 years.
People don’t want to lay out for a data subscription for their car when they have a cell phone. They’ve also become accustomed to having maps and music in their cars and aren’t parting with that any time soon.
They say that some car decisions come down to the number of cup holders the car has. And GM thinks they’re gonna sell ICE cars to the great unwashed masses without Car Play. Let me laugh in a manacle fashion like Sideshow Bob in The Simpson.
CapPlay 2.0 is completely dead. Apple is a pain to work with in B2B scenario's and car manufacturers can't be convinced to relinquish their user interfaces to an external party.
Just like Titan is dead and AI is vaporware, this is another failure. Apple will quietly remove the page from their website and that's that. They should never have announced it 2+ years in advance.
Just like Titan is dead and AI is vaporware, this is another failure. Apple will quietly remove the page from their website and that's that. They should never have announced it 2+ years in advance.
That's crazy. What about rental cars? I'm not entering my destinations on the built-in system. If that system even works. Last year I had a Suburban rental from Hertz that had no data plan. None of the built-in apps worked, CarPlay was the only option.
I also think CP2 will just fade away, as it should. There zero value added by another “skin” on top of functions the manufacturers already have to provide a UI for anyway.
For the functions best handled by a phone (audio entertainment, maps, messages, voice calls, select other apps), Apple should make sure the existing CarPlay is reliable, and as unobtrusive as possible to minimize distractions. This, unfortunately, requires a much better Siri. We’ll see where that goes …
For the functions best handled by a phone (audio entertainment, maps, messages, voice calls, select other apps), Apple should make sure the existing CarPlay is reliable, and as unobtrusive as possible to minimize distractions. This, unfortunately, requires a much better Siri. We’ll see where that goes …
"next gen carplay" is very poorly named. It is NOT just the next version of the CarPlay we all know. It is very different.
Currrent gen carplay runs on your phone and the display is mirrored to the car's screen. But this next gen thing is an OS that runs on the car and controls parts of the car like the speedometer and the air conditioning.
"Next Gen" competes directly with Google's "Andriod Automotive" that tries to do about the same thing. But so far Google is winning the competition as zero car makers are using the Apple product and many are using Google's. What? You've never seen a car using Android Automotive? That is the point; it runs on the car's computer and has nothing to do with your phone. (same way Apple's next gen system will run on the car's computer and not on your phone)
Google is wining this race because their system is Open Source. The car companies and even you and me can read the code and modify it and control the features and when it is released and do our own testing. Apple would NEVER allow this and hence will never be used.
Apple's current carplay is different. It does what car owners want: mirror the phone screen to the car's screen. Apple was stupid not to rename the new carplay so that we'd know it was different. But I guess they wanted to capitalize on a well-know name.
I can't imagine a company like GM or Porche allowing Apple to control the car's air conditioning, door locks, and so on. They'd want to own the code that does this. Google let's them do that
Currrent gen carplay runs on your phone and the display is mirrored to the car's screen. But this next gen thing is an OS that runs on the car and controls parts of the car like the speedometer and the air conditioning.
"Next Gen" competes directly with Google's "Andriod Automotive" that tries to do about the same thing. But so far Google is winning the competition as zero car makers are using the Apple product and many are using Google's. What? You've never seen a car using Android Automotive? That is the point; it runs on the car's computer and has nothing to do with your phone. (same way Apple's next gen system will run on the car's computer and not on your phone)
Google is wining this race because their system is Open Source. The car companies and even you and me can read the code and modify it and control the features and when it is released and do our own testing. Apple would NEVER allow this and hence will never be used.
Apple's current carplay is different. It does what car owners want: mirror the phone screen to the car's screen. Apple was stupid not to rename the new carplay so that we'd know it was different. But I guess they wanted to capitalize on a well-know name.
I can't imagine a company like GM or Porche allowing Apple to control the car's air conditioning, door locks, and so on. They'd want to own the code that does this. Google let's them do that
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True. You can get a fully decked out VW for less than the Base trim of the Audi that is based on that VW car. Then to “add back” the features you give up it’s $10k more.
Usually it’s the same turbo engine, just tuned higher in the Audi, but you can “chip it” with APR and get the same performance.
Car manufacturers are reversing course on number of screens in their cars. This will undoubtedly put a damper on plans for expanded CarPlay.
Mercedes recently made a statement on this:
www.carscoops.com
Mercedes recently made a statement on this:
Mercedes Design Boss Admits "Screens Aren't Luxury" And The Software's Not Great Either | Carscoops
The company wants to improve the content available for its interior displays, especially for the Hypescreen interior
www.carscoops.com
With the ugly carplay interface.
Apple should allow skins to be applied that are manufacturer/model specific.
You can still pay more to get your porsche in a stripped down model. Nobody is stopping you.
I say it just adds to the list. AirPower, CarPlay 2, even Vision Pro can be added to it. I don’t know but this version of Apple is really sucking.
There’s your answer. It has USBA still so it’s an older interface. My guess is because of the integration with the hybrid system being so central, it takes more testing and certification to upgrade the system and is done less frequently.
My Vision Pro is collecting dust. I wish there was more I could do with it but right now it’s just to watch movies in peace.