Here's to hope that Apple drops a Mac mini that can exploit one of these. I'm out of the running for a MP now but still crave a modern "prosumer priced" headless Mac.
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24-Inch 4K Display from Dell Priced at $1399, 28-Inch 4K Model Coming at Under $1000
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This might be good news. Hope those are matt and are color accurate enough for photography (and compatible with the usual calibration tools).
Good thing I waited.
Now, would the 24" be compatible with the most recent Mac Mini?
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So I take it the current Mac Mini doesn't support these screens?
Good thing I waited.
Now, would the 24" be compatible with the most recent Mac Mini?
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So I take it the current Mac Mini doesn't support these screens?
Don't care. Not looking to spend more than $400 on any display.
Seiki is looking pretty tempting if I really needed a 4K display.
Why? Do you actually have one?
I have a Dell U2711 and really like it. I can connect both my Mac and my xbox, colour accuracy is great for photos, it's fast enough for games and it is matt. I couldn't have a glossy screen because I have a window behind me. It's also almost half the price of the Apple thunderbolt display which is glossy and only allows one device to be connected. Can't think why I would buy the Apple display other than 'it looks nice'.
I want one of those too. A Mac, rather than a Mac Pro, with gaming graphics. Would buy it yesterday.
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It can't even drive it's own display properly! I've got an early 2013 15" rMBP and the graphics performance is terrible. Sometimes apps haven't been optimised (excel 2011 is pants), but overall I get the feeling the hardware just isn't up to it.
Tell me when OS X supports higher than 8 bit. My 10 bit NEC is hooked up to 5870 via mini DP cable, but there is no way for Marvericks to display more than 16 million colors.
Most ( if not all ) of the UHD screens on the market require DisplayPort (DP) v1.2 with MST ( multi stream transport ) enabled. The Dell monitors are in that group.
The current Mini has Thunderbolt (TB) v1 ports on it. So it only supports DP v1.1 (or 1.1a , but clearly not v1.2 ). Even if the GPU could drive the UHD pixel size there is no way way to pump that out of the box to the screen right now given the monitor's infrastructure technology currently available.
TB v2 would solve that gating problem as it enables DP v1.2 and leave it more as a question of GPU capability. At that point it is more so a question of whether can drive the screen at 60Hz or not. A revised Mini with HD4600 or HD5100 graphics isn't going to have alot flexibility when it comes to the complexity of the content being rendered.
Nobody needs more than 16 million colors.
Seriously if it was an issue Apple would have addressed it already.
Because design is a big element to why we all love Apple products. A huge hunk of cheap black plastic and a plastic Dell logo on the center of a sleek desk with a beautiful MacBook Pro is not something many of us are interested in. If design didn't matter, we'd all just get Dell Inspirons to match and save even more money.
Nobody needs more than 16 million colors.
So you are telling me all those high bit professional monitors, 14 bit (or higher) RAW files from DSLR cameras, and 16 bit support in Photoshop are useless by Apple standard? I remember Apple was big with the professional graphic designer and publisher, may be that is why a lot of them moved over to Windows.
Because design is a big element to why we all love Apple products. A huge hunk of cheap black plastic and a plastic Dell logo on the center of a sleek desk with a beautiful MacBook Pro is not something many of us are interested in. If design didn't matter, we'd all just get Dell Inspirons to match and save even more money.
Meh I guess we use Apple products for different reasons. I personally couldn't care about plastic vs metal when it comes to a screen, having a metal built laptop makes more sense as it works as a heatsink. Something like that isn't needed for a screen.
Personally for me the design is secondary to functionality. If OS X was crap I'd not be using an Apple machine. I guess not everyone buys Apple products based on productivity needs however.
I certainly wouldn't buy any computer or peripheral for a logo - that's pretty pathetic and pointless regardless of what hardware anyone uses. Altho I guess that's why some people buy junk like 'Beats' headphones.
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That's true with me too. Apple's software products have been head down hill lately. Not quite to the level of "junk" yet. But the trend is NOT going well. Look at the latest iWork package. The last upgrade removes 100+ features. Garage Band got dumbed-down in the last upgrade too. When the last Fincal Cut Pro was real eased Apple lost at least half their customers.
So I'm a bit worried that Apple has become an iPhone company and has pulled staff away from Mac software.
As for the build quality and design of Apple monitors -- They went to glossy screen. a HUGE step in the wrong direction. Why Did Apple really need to save the cost if an anti-glare coating. Did they save even $30 per screen? Functionality is going in the wrong way.
If everyone thought like you, then Apple wouldn't invest billions in the CNC router machinery that builds such beautiful hardware with the utmost precision. They'd just order millions of black, creaky plastic bezels and backs and slap an Apple logo on it like Dell does. While it's fine that you value function over form, many of us are willing to pay the premium for premium design on devices that also function the way we'd like.
i just got the seiki 39" tv to use as a monitor. i love it. but glad to see more options coming that costs less than a car. when that new mac pro is finally released, these will be nice.
The GPU can do this, AFAIK. The Display Port (DP) version does not support this. The next Mac mini should have TB2 and Haswell, which support DP >= v1.2, and v1.2 of DP supports 4K, AFAIK. That's one of the reasons, why i wait for a refresh.
Again, meh. Sure I love that my computer looks nice. But if, for arguments sake tomorrow Apple came out with two 4K screens that were identical except one was made of the signature brushed aluminium and was priced at $2k, and the other had a simple, discreet black plastic surround and only cost $1k, I'd be going for the black plastic one, as both products would be of decent build quality, both would have amazing after-sales support, and both would perform the exact same function.
It depends how deep into thought you want to go. Obviously if Apple came out with a product that was a heap of junk, sure I'd go for the premium model. I'd certainly not pick it because it looks slightly prettier.
I completely understand that some choose design over anything else - I have no problem with that. I just find it pathetic when a select few of those people think that because, in this case the screen is made by Dell. That must mean that it's poorly designed, poorly made and will have poor after-sales. It's pretty silly when you think about it.
Dell laptops are a pile of junk - I'll say that right now. They suck. But their screens have always been of very good build quality. I don't think you can put a screen in the same production quality ranking that you'd put, say a laptop or desktop computer though. Plenty of places make really nice screens, then produce junk computers.
Also as a side note - don't forget it's only a few years ago that Apple made plastic iMacs and MacBooks. The brushed aluminium CNC stuff is a design trend that'll be replaced by something else new eventually. I still find it laughable that there are some Apple fans who have this problem with things being made of Plastic, like it's some sort of 3rd world material.
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If you think Dell computers are junk and poorly made, than the plasticy hardware surrounding their displays should be considered junk to you as well because it's made from the same cheap materials. While Dell may source the actual display from the same suppliers as Apple (LG or Samsung), their overall presentation of that display is not as good and presentation matters for many Apple fans. I want a display to match my MacBook Pro in design quality and aesthetic appeal.
Take your car for instance. Let's say its a new red Mercedes. You get in a fender bender and need a new front bumper. The body shop says they'll put on an after market yellow bumper that's just as good for half the price. Some plastic pieces and of course it's yellow, but serves the same purpose. Would you take the yellow bumper because it functions just as well or would you pay extra for the OEM matching bumper for your new Mercedes?
It'll be along just as soon as your Mac play Blu-Ray natively. Other that that, what's the point (for anyone other than a pro vid editor)?
4k on display port 1.1
From looking around a bit I believe that people with the older thunderbolt ports will be able to run one of these displays using an adapter but only at 30hz.
Referring to this thread
and this adapter
Ofcourse that is if osx allows you to do it.
I will be curious if people are able to get this working when these monitors show up.
Looks like they ship December 24th.
From looking around a bit I believe that people with the older thunderbolt ports will be able to run one of these displays using an adapter but only at 30hz.
Referring to this thread
and this adapter
Ofcourse that is if osx allows you to do it.
I will be curious if people are able to get this working when these monitors show up.
Looks like they ship December 24th.
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Mac Mini + 4K ? It would be about time that apple desktops and OSX got a little boost to put some clear blue water in between these rigs and the (much cheaper) IOS based Retina ipads. Sure they do different jobs but that said, I think that the screen resolution on the smaller 21.5 iMac has fallen behind and looks decidedly non-retina.
I guess they will wait for the Mac Pro launches before refreshing the mini - the last thing they want is photo professionals buying a mac mini (with maxed memory) and a colour accurate 4K monitor. That would be sweet...and relatively inexpensive.
I guess they will wait for the Mac Pro launches before refreshing the mini - the last thing they want is photo professionals buying a mac mini (with maxed memory) and a colour accurate 4K monitor. That would be sweet...and relatively inexpensive.
If you think Dell computers are junk and poorly made, than the plasticy hardware surrounding their displays should be considered junk to you as well because it's made from the same cheap materials. While Dell may source the actual display from the same suppliers as Apple (LG or Samsung), their overall presentation of that display is not as good and presentation matters for many Apple fans. I want a display to match my MacBook Pro in design quality and aesthetic appeal.
Take your car for instance. Let's say its a new red Mercedes. You get in a fender bender and need a new front bumper. The body shop says they'll put on an after market yellow bumper that's just as good for half the price. Some plastic pieces and of course it's yellow, but serves the same purpose. Would you take the yellow bumper because it functions just as well or would you pay extra for the OEM matching bumper for your new Mercedes?
I'll just nod along and agree. This discussion is pointless. Even more so when you get your analogy completely wrong. It'd work if we were discussing adding a 3rd party stand to a display. In this case it'd be more like a Merc engine in a non-Merc car.
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