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24-Inch 4K Display from Dell Priced at $1399, 28-Inch 4K Model Coming at Under $1000
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If Apple have industry leading support, why are there so many shady clauses to common warranty issues with iPhones?
There are multiple levels of "drives a UHD" display. One is drive it all at any refresh rate. Another is drive it at the "normal" rates users expect from a display (>= 60Hz ).
If willing the half the screen refresh rate to 30Hz Displayport 1.1a/1.1 can do it. If looking at 'movies/film' projects at 24Hz it is not that big a downside. Likewise if browsing pictures which largely stay complete static on the screen ( the content isn't changing)... not a big deal.
Why the Dell user manual states a requirement of v1.2 and MST is because there likely an expectation that are going to want a normal computer monitor that covers a wide variety of uses. However, the default settings for these Dell monitors is DP v1.1 mode. (partially so that can plug it in many modern systems and it will just work although not full using all the pixels ).
In order to get to 60Hz most of the UHD display on the market consume two video data streams ( hence need v1.2's MST (multi stream transport ) each with "half" of the UHD context. Those two halves are merged and presented as one.
It isn't just DisplayPort that is at issue it is the display controllers inside these monitors too. There just are not controllers that can handle UHD at >= 60Hz yet. They can do 30Hz. ( as above most of the folks up until now doing this are doing movie/static stuff where this isn't a big limitation and many of the transport streams couldn't do single streams like that either. )
The analogy holds when talking about design. I understand you comparing the MacBook Pro to the engine, but you don't see the engine on the exterior of the car. The point was, you seemed to be asking why someone would pay more for something that is just as good as long as it functions the same, regardless of design aesthetics. But yes, pointless to go back and forth.
End of the day, if you're ok with Dell plastic around an equivalent panel than have at it. I'll wait for Apple to make one and gladly pay more for its design quality.
When given the choice, I always drink my Diet Dr. Peppers from the aluminum can, and would happily pay more for the privilege if I had to. I just can't picture myself doing something so base and distasteful as putting a cheap plastic bottle to my discerning lips.
See, aluminum cans are like the BMWs of drink transportation...
It's not just the material as much as it is the thought and precision that goes into producing the product that I appreciate and am willing to pay more for. Unibody construction from high-tech routers > a handful of underpaid factory workers with a box full of 1992 VCR-grade plastic and a mini-screwdriver.
Same reason someone would prefer a luxury car with the same mechanical specs as a Chevy Malibu. Yea, the Malibu would do, but it's a Malibu with cheap buttons and faux-wood grain.
Classic Onion style!
Looks like you and I are still waiting for the release of the MacBook Wheel
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Looks like you and I are still waiting for the release of the MacBook Wheel
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I regret the day when I sold one of my 30"cinema displays. I hope the one I still use will not crap up anytime soon. I would like to see a modern replacement for it, but not at some absurd price, and size. Monitors most likely take too much volume in a container per profit value as opposed to the iToys for Apple to put some significant effort into it, hence the most probable lack of interest, specially after the general fiasco with the 27"TB CD. Somehow I remain pessimistic about a new 30" workhorse from Apple.
Yup, and it works both ways. Not to be rude, but what's your point?
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The DPI isn't what makes the 24" cost more. Dell has for a long time had two lines in their monitors; one aimed more at professionals and one more of a "value" line. The 24" will have 10-bit color, much wider gamut, factory calibration, and more connection options (among other things), while the 28" will likely only have 8-bit color, lower grade/different panel types, fewer connection options and various other things to save cost.
Also, it seems a lot of people still have no idea how HI-DPI works.
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Apple's versions lmfao.. priced at 20K and the sheep will buy it.
This Dell monitor is a BEAST and crushes Apple Cinema thingy.
They do have the same resolution... UHD is a standard (3840x2160). There is plenty reason that the 28" model is cheaper... see my previous post two up.
Just like the retina MacBook Pros, that's up to you. You can run it in either mode (or even in-between interpolated resolutions for a mix of both).
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Everyone has a different opinion on this (and we all have different eyesight), but IMO everything up to about 400dpi where the human eye truly can't see a difference is an improvement. Of course some people claim they don't notice much difference between the old iPads and the new ones, so you may not be as sensitive to it. In general, though, more is better (all other things being equal).
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4K UHD is 2160p, which has the same number of vertical lines as the digital cinema specification for 4K (it just has a slightly wider aspect ratio). It's acceptable to refer to UHD as 4K.
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It will be better my foot. I am still having to put up with my yellow tinted LG display on my 27" iMac!
Thunderbolt is not an Apple technology....
Slight flaw in your plan to have them admit "their" technology is a joke.
Does it support Rec. 2020 though?
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Thunderblot was created by Intel, who also created the USB consortium...
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Well, current 4K displays generally use rec. 709 color space, instead of rec. 2020 color space which will be used in 4k movies, the difference being that rec 709 is 8 bit per channel vs 12 bit per channel in rec. 2020.
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Thunderblot was created by Intel, who also created the USB consortium...
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Well, current 4K displays generally use rec. 709 color space, instead of rec. 2020 color space which will be used in 4k movies, the difference being that rec 709 is 8 bit per channel vs 12 bit per channel in rec. 2020.
I agree that the dell 27" will be of a lower quality than their smaller and larger units. I believe the reason they announced the price of the 27" is they too, believe that apple will come out with a TBD in the next few weeks. It may likely have a bump in resolution, but not 4K. They want people to compare the other size dells and decide if they should wait a month to get true 4K over the apple. That's when we will have more of a choice.
Most people on here are comparing next months dell, with the old current TBD. The Apple product will likely come out sooner. Apple went out of its way to tell us the Pro could be hooked up to 3rd Party 4k monitors. When you compare a heavily outdated product like the current TBD, considering apple doesn't reduce prices over a product's lifetime, of course it is now a horrible deal. When the TBD came out, it was a great deal for a great monitor and hub.
In a couple weeks, we will have a stealthier matte screen with an up-to-date hub and it will again be a great deal considering the functionality, ease of use, and sleek look. It won't be a 4K since apple won't go with 4k until they can do a great panel at a reasonable price. Dell builds monitors of all different quality. I'll bet next month's dell 4k panel will not be up to apple's standards. Then people will truly have a choice.
If you're a laptop user, a hub/monitor is a nice addition. If you have a desktop, it's too much for just a monitor. Sure the apple tax is a lot for the current TBD, but in a few weeks, that tax may even be nonexistent. All things then being equal, I'd prefer the elegant design, superior manufacturing AND function of the apple. Two cables to connect everything you need at home to your laptop is more than beauty that's just skin deep.
I agree the faithful will buy overpriced outdated products like the current TBD, which then I agree with going the dell route. Once the new one hits the stores, it will be the best product at the best bang-for-the-buck for a lot of apple laptop owners that can't drive a 4k display anyway. Having the high resale of Apple products allows users to upgrade easier as well.
For me, the decision between dell and apple is more of a question of how recent the release is in it's life cycle, quality of panel, and wether it's connected to a laptop or desktop. I think either extreme, in all cases choose apple or in all cases choose dell are odd stances to take. I'm glad we all benefit from competition, and can buy the best choice for our own situation.
Most people on here are comparing next months dell, with the old current TBD. The Apple product will likely come out sooner. Apple went out of its way to tell us the Pro could be hooked up to 3rd Party 4k monitors. When you compare a heavily outdated product like the current TBD, considering apple doesn't reduce prices over a product's lifetime, of course it is now a horrible deal. When the TBD came out, it was a great deal for a great monitor and hub.
In a couple weeks, we will have a stealthier matte screen with an up-to-date hub and it will again be a great deal considering the functionality, ease of use, and sleek look. It won't be a 4K since apple won't go with 4k until they can do a great panel at a reasonable price. Dell builds monitors of all different quality. I'll bet next month's dell 4k panel will not be up to apple's standards. Then people will truly have a choice.
If you're a laptop user, a hub/monitor is a nice addition. If you have a desktop, it's too much for just a monitor. Sure the apple tax is a lot for the current TBD, but in a few weeks, that tax may even be nonexistent. All things then being equal, I'd prefer the elegant design, superior manufacturing AND function of the apple. Two cables to connect everything you need at home to your laptop is more than beauty that's just skin deep.
I agree the faithful will buy overpriced outdated products like the current TBD, which then I agree with going the dell route. Once the new one hits the stores, it will be the best product at the best bang-for-the-buck for a lot of apple laptop owners that can't drive a 4k display anyway. Having the high resale of Apple products allows users to upgrade easier as well.
For me, the decision between dell and apple is more of a question of how recent the release is in it's life cycle, quality of panel, and wether it's connected to a laptop or desktop. I think either extreme, in all cases choose apple or in all cases choose dell are odd stances to take. I'm glad we all benefit from competition, and can buy the best choice for our own situation.
Being first isn't really important when it comes to such products.
How often does really truly breaking and market shifting product come out? The stuff that people will remember and recognize a company for.
Not very often. And Apple has introduced three of them in a fairly short period of time.
Incase people missed it elsewhere, Apple for the first time* have another companies display on their site with the Sharp 32" 4K PN-K321. A strong indicator there won't be an Apple model as this has also been used in promotional material with the new Mac Pro.
http://store.apple.com/uk/product/HD971ZM/A/sharp-32-inch-pn-k321-4k-ultra-hd-led-monitor
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1681336/
*unless anyone knows different
http://store.apple.com/uk/product/HD971ZM/A/sharp-32-inch-pn-k321-4k-ultra-hd-led-monitor
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1681336/
*unless anyone knows different
Perhaps it is more expensive to squish thous pixels into a smaller display
(the PPI is higher on the smaller screen, since they have same resolution)
this is just not true. there are multiple posts and vids from folk who not only have the 2012 rMBP but the MBA 2012 running 4K. the only issue is its being run at 30 and or 24 fps. no big deal unless you plan on gaming but perfectly fine for normal productivity tasks and screen real estate
they need to ditch the bezels. I cant see how a bezel would help a professional art graphics person. They dont help me, I just need a really wide screen to get more screen real estate. But irregardless eventually it wont be wide enough and then I could slap another next to it and be happy. I use to work on 640x480 and below and was happy then... /shrug.
I think even better would be if the screens were only 3" and you just bought a bunch of them and sort of lego'd them together until you got the size screen you wanted. Then if you wanted bigger you could just buy more. Have some kind of velcro board to slap them on.
I think even better would be if the screens were only 3" and you just bought a bunch of them and sort of lego'd them together until you got the size screen you wanted. Then if you wanted bigger you could just buy more. Have some kind of velcro board to slap them on.