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$25 Million Class-Action Lawsuit Filed Against Apple in South Korea Over Location Data Collection
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Yes, most of my Korean friends/ girlfriend are obviously not racist, otherwise I would not be friend, ight?
But they told me how some Korean are so proud o themselves to be extremely racist
No I was close to the center. The city
My friend is Nepalese and I m not American, still got discriminated, it s not bout Americans, it is clearly about not being korean
Some perspective
Let's not go on and on about racism. Such fools exist anywhere. This is about trade discrimination and using the media to manipulate naive consumers who are arguably much more nationalistic than your average Belgian.
What might be helpful for people on this site who don't quite understand Samsung's influence in South Korea, where it accounts for roughly 20% of GDP and is overall the world's 35th largest economy, can be found here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/26/technology/26samsung.html?pagewanted=all
For perspective, Samsung is a HUGE conglomerate, involved internationally in:
Electronics industries
Financial services
Chemical industries
Machinery and heavy industries
Engineering and construction
Retail and entertainment
Apparel and advertisement
Education and medical services
Trading and resource development
Food supplier and security services
Many, many smart people in Korea have voted with their wallets and purchased devices from Apple, Motorola, etc. and openly discuss Samsung's potentially harmful influence on future Korean development. They should speak up more often, because consumers in Korea lose; paying much higher prices for domestic goods here behind tariff barriers on imports, and essentially subsidizing their lower prices in export markets where the real sales volume exists.
Apple is a valuable company, for sure, but Samsung is, as I previously said, the core of a corporatist state, with gargantuan influence on laws, media, politics and especially international trade policy in Korea, which was once very poor and developed with an export-based mercantilist economic policy. In a sense Apple is actually punching above its weight class.
This lawsuit is an unfortunately nationalistic remnant of the days when purchasing foreign products was tantamount to treason. The people involved in it are suckers, and suckers exist everywhere. But Korea has been an extreme case, and if you'd like to see how, go back and read any story on this site about Korea. It's primarily backlash against Apple fueled by you know who.
Fake Apple stores in China? No problem in Korea, because there are NO real ones, only local "authorized resellers" who exist because of a Korean law stating any foreign business wishing to open a retail store in Korea must have a local partner with whom profits are split. Apple understandably took a pass on that nonsense while Japan and China boast the real deal.
For a more amusing tale, Google reports of the summer '08 protests in Seoul over the importation of "poisonous" U.S. beef. Now that was some truly xenophobic carnival!
Let's not go on and on about racism. Such fools exist anywhere. This is about trade discrimination and using the media to manipulate naive consumers who are arguably much more nationalistic than your average Belgian.
What might be helpful for people on this site who don't quite understand Samsung's influence in South Korea, where it accounts for roughly 20% of GDP and is overall the world's 35th largest economy, can be found here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/26/technology/26samsung.html?pagewanted=all
For perspective, Samsung is a HUGE conglomerate, involved internationally in:
Electronics industries
Financial services
Chemical industries
Machinery and heavy industries
Engineering and construction
Retail and entertainment
Apparel and advertisement
Education and medical services
Trading and resource development
Food supplier and security services
Many, many smart people in Korea have voted with their wallets and purchased devices from Apple, Motorola, etc. and openly discuss Samsung's potentially harmful influence on future Korean development. They should speak up more often, because consumers in Korea lose; paying much higher prices for domestic goods here behind tariff barriers on imports, and essentially subsidizing their lower prices in export markets where the real sales volume exists.
Apple is a valuable company, for sure, but Samsung is, as I previously said, the core of a corporatist state, with gargantuan influence on laws, media, politics and especially international trade policy in Korea, which was once very poor and developed with an export-based mercantilist economic policy. In a sense Apple is actually punching above its weight class.
This lawsuit is an unfortunately nationalistic remnant of the days when purchasing foreign products was tantamount to treason. The people involved in it are suckers, and suckers exist everywhere. But Korea has been an extreme case, and if you'd like to see how, go back and read any story on this site about Korea. It's primarily backlash against Apple fueled by you know who.
Fake Apple stores in China? No problem in Korea, because there are NO real ones, only local "authorized resellers" who exist because of a Korean law stating any foreign business wishing to open a retail store in Korea must have a local partner with whom profits are split. Apple understandably took a pass on that nonsense while Japan and China boast the real deal.
For a more amusing tale, Google reports of the summer '08 protests in Seoul over the importation of "poisonous" U.S. beef. Now that was some truly xenophobic carnival!
I'm not so sure that Apple didn't do anything with the location data. Actually, it might be Skyhook that did some massive collecting.
About two years ago I got myself an iPod Touch. Whenever I opened the Google maps app, it always pinpointed my location somewhere in San Jose, CA. which is totally wrong of course. Some months later when a friend came to visit with his iPhone, suddenly my iPod knew my correct location. How did that happen? It can't be Google. At that time they still had to start their wifi wardriving in Europe.
About two years ago I got myself an iPod Touch. Whenever I opened the Google maps app, it always pinpointed my location somewhere in San Jose, CA. which is totally wrong of course. Some months later when a friend came to visit with his iPhone, suddenly my iPod knew my correct location. How did that happen? It can't be Google. At that time they still had to start their wifi wardriving in Europe.
Spying on other countries citizens only confirms that the US is liable for war crimes, apple has NSA agents as their cyber security staff, but no NSA agent is not listed under "on duty call" to share information with NSA.
im sure behind the scenes disputes are taking place as usual between US and several nations on spying via products, Russia already confirmed a few smears on Obama at sittings with Putin, who ignored Obama asking him a question in several youtube videos because a clearly advised question to play down Russian concerns over anti missile shields in the EU, but its just the way american politics work, economical interests come first, we can bomb anyone if they dont like it, and its worth a few sociopaths who serve the arm forcs on the front line instead of continuing their prison time.
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location data is just one little glitch, its eves dropping when your phone is on or off that should concern anyone, especially turning on the camera with out them even seen a light.
if you guys google up the info, a 17 year old in israel cracked the 3g and cdma codes, that means not only can they read the history of your phone card if they get it but they can control every function of your phone anyway they like, regardless.
http://cryptome.org/gsm-crack.htm
its funny how all mac sites play down the eves dropping by distracting us with tracking fears, there are even services where you can pay to have it set up so you monitor your husband, wife, kids or even someone else's phone (legally)
im sure behind the scenes disputes are taking place as usual between US and several nations on spying via products, Russia already confirmed a few smears on Obama at sittings with Putin, who ignored Obama asking him a question in several youtube videos because a clearly advised question to play down Russian concerns over anti missile shields in the EU, but its just the way american politics work, economical interests come first, we can bomb anyone if they dont like it, and its worth a few sociopaths who serve the arm forcs on the front line instead of continuing their prison time.
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location data is just one little glitch, its eves dropping when your phone is on or off that should concern anyone, especially turning on the camera with out them even seen a light.
if you guys google up the info, a 17 year old in israel cracked the 3g and cdma codes, that means not only can they read the history of your phone card if they get it but they can control every function of your phone anyway they like, regardless.
http://cryptome.org/gsm-crack.htm
its funny how all mac sites play down the eves dropping by distracting us with tracking fears, there are even services where you can pay to have it set up so you monitor your husband, wife, kids or even someone else's phone (legally)
Right, this is simple, Korea. If you're not happy, don't use iPhone. Secondly, Apple has every right under the Sun to collect your location data. They made the iPhone, they paid for it to be made, it's their company. You bought the iPhone through your own choice. Also, if you're that bothered, try having a look at Android. A mobile platform specifically designed to collect customer location information. After that, go away.
Samsung should change how they design their products and not just copying.
Look at Galaxy S and iPhone, they looks very similar.
And now Samsung 9 Series and Macbook Air. Look at the picture below, is it a black macbook air?
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Back light keyboard
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Large space track pad
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Look at Galaxy S and iPhone, they looks very similar.
And now Samsung 9 Series and Macbook Air. Look at the picture below, is it a black macbook air?
Back light keyboard
Large space track pad
For those of you saying that Google/Android also collects this information.
Yes, this is true... but the *huge* difference is that:
1. Android notifies you when an app does this (and asks if you really want to install the app)
2. Android asks your permission before allowing the OS/system to do this (location services)
3. You can turn it off.
Which is why no one is suing Google.
Yes, this is true... but the *huge* difference is that:
1. Android notifies you when an app does this (and asks if you really want to install the app)
2. Android asks your permission before allowing the OS/system to do this (location services)
3. You can turn it off.
Which is why no one is suing Google.
1) Doesnt look a single bit like a mac.
2) Back-lighting was around before Apple 'invented' it.
3) Its a good idea, those usually spread. Why do you think everyone ended up wiht a mouse? (which Apple did not invent).
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Nothing, just felt like nipping the "apple innovated everything"- argument in the bud. It tends to pop up everywhere. Like weed, only the bad kind.
That's half the point. There are going to be similarities but blatant copying is something different. The authorities should only allow patents on real tangible things, not minor things that you know will be copied.
Jeez, imagine if someone had patented the door. Or Karl Benz had patented the car.
Not 100% correct. The information COULD be transferred off your actual phone when you synced it to your computer during backup. Since Apple doesn't have cloud sync, at no point did Apple actually have your information.
I should note here is there is no evidence that other phones don't have this same error—that's trying to prove a negative. It is highly possible that other manufacturers may have made this error, and if they offer cloud sync like Android, this means it's theoretical that Google had access to this information.
That's the absurdity of rooting for this class action. If you do and they win, don't be surprised if this doesn't come bite Samsung, Google or whoever you are fanboying in the ass.
Personally, who gives as *@#$. They're all corporations. If Apple loses, who wins? Some lawyer doing an obviously bogus lawsuit in a country wholly owned by only four corporations, one of which is a fierce competitor/supplier of Apple that is losing badly on lawsuits in the rest of the world? Also, as a Korean, I can tell you that we're talking about a fiercely nationalistic country here. Hmmm…
Unless you are a South Korean who is blindly nationalistic and is the child of a chaebol (specifically Samsung), you should probably not be rooting for the idiots engaging in this frivolous suit. They're tools.
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Incorrect. Nobody is suing Google because nobody has delved into it and the target audience is small. Basically you have to go handset model by handset model to find whether this bug exists with Google phones.
Furthermore Android DOES NOT notify you when it does this. It does this when ANY app asks for GPS information. What you are talking about with 1. and 2. is the same as with (in fact is a direct copy) of what the iPhone does. As for 3. Last time I checked, when I turned off the iPhone, it stops recording information.
Where you are a confused moron is when you confuse "apps" (which usually do not involve Google nor Apple), and the system/OS (Android or iOS).
The Google Phone DOES collect this information. It DOES it in the same way Apple does. Both phones do this to improve the accuracy of the location services before a GPS fix is done and to speed the time it takes to get a GPS fix. If the phones didn't do this caching, you would be complain about how ******, slow, and inaccurate your location services were on your phone.
However, Apple had a bug where that information WASN'T BEING DELETED. There is no information on how Google Android phones handle this cache, however it is assumed it is being deleted eventually, or overwritten.
Now the question you should ask yourself is that nothing has basically changed. This same information is being collected, it's just getting deleted more often. "More often" is a relative thing, so, at some level, all smartphones that offer location-based services do compromise your location privacy in order for them to work. Deal.