3.33GHz BTO option on 2009 Quad Core... Worth it?

///M and real LV are actually designed to perform at a higher level.

My point is that there are plenty of people that would view both as an absolute waste of money for getting the job done (getting from A to B or carrying female accoutrements). Just like there are some folks that view buying an Apple computer a complete waste.

Sidebar: I would actually consider ///M more like Dell's XPS line (a hot-rod engine in an otherwise mass-market enclosure). Apple is more analogous to Aston Martin (for example) in my opinion.

Some people place high value in things like materials, design, aesthetics, software, brand and the buying and ownership experience for some things in their life and could care less about these things for other purchases. I spend a lot of money for difficult to quantify elements in cars, computers, A/V gear, and Cognac, but can't bother to spend more than modest amounts on many other things.

I can't help but feel that Apple is selling me the exact same thing I can get across the street for a premium, and that's where it starts to break down for me.

I totally understand... for computers, few of the things I mentioned above really add any value for you.

I really hope I am not doing this.

I hope I am making somewhat objective points.

No I think you are making great points (in fact, I think you are helping me make my point :p). My comment about castigation was more in reference to a somewhat derogatory tone that rears it's ugly head in this forum sometimes - implying that Mac Pro buyers are fools. Not everyone just wants the fastest GHz for the lowest $ :(
 
1. Apple. Apple provides a unique premium brand experience that is currently unmatched by most other's in the computer industry, although Sony comes close on it's consumer computing products. It's the same phenomenon that makes companies like Starbucks, BMW, Louis Vuitton, and other luxury brands successful in the face of better value competitors.
This is diminishing though, as there's enough issues now. The marketing slogan "It just works" isn't true any longer. Bugs in the OS (i.e. the thermal issues in the '09 MP's under Quicktime X code) have blown this statement. So has hardware, even in base models (i.e throttling of the ICH10R specific to '09 MP's as well). In some cases, hardware upgrades may only be possible via assistance from 3rd party vendors such as Maxupgrades or Trans Int'l (i.e. adapters of some sort), as Apple offers no solution at all.

2. OSX. ... The Mac Pro represents the most extensible powerful platform that legitimately runs OSX.
This is mostly preference, but in some cases, necessity, due to the software investment (especially for corporations, as they need a single point of contact for warranty/support).

Of course, any argument based simply on value, price or performance, will make a Mac Pro (or any Apple product for that matter) seem like a poor purchase decision.
It's the primary part of it though. There's other factors, such as software needs or necessity (already have the software, and it's not possible or practical to switch to another platform).

Then there's user experience/satisfaction <platform integration> (where I've the impression you're focusing on). That one was in OS X's favor in the past, but not so much now, as it's showing some issues, and MS has actually gotten their *** together. (They finally made a real effort to work with other companies to improve the user experience this time around, and it's paid off). Even die hard OS X users who frowned on (if not outright despised) past versions of windows have been surprised with their experimentation with Win7.

Now, back to the topic at hand... The fact is, given the 3.33GHz CPU is a $1200 premium over the entry level quad, their's not a lot of savings to be had for the DIY'er... which is unusual for Apple. However, the question remains, is the added 25% performance worth it? In my opinion, if this option were available last March when I purchased my 2.93Ghz for a $500 premium, it would have been a tough call to spend an extra $700 for the 3.33Ghz. I likely would have purchased the same system I have today.
You even placed value on the systems offered, and selected accordingly for your needs. Granted, it's within Apple's lineup of MP's, but from a hardware perspective, they're not really any different at all from other vendors (hardware; minor tweaks, and in appearance, which Apple does exceed at by many's idea of attractive). Dell's (and others) are quite functional, and have nice internals, but are fugly in terms of exteriors. Worst case, I'd be willing to hide it if it's the best solution for the task intended.

Who says they ever had it? They have what(?)... 5% of the computing market but reap 50% of the profits available? Arguably, they don't own any market segment but are ridiculously successful.
With computers NO, but they've been gaining market share. For the device market, IIRC they do with iPods, and have made major inroads with the smart phone market (iPhone = Yes here as well, if you limit it to comparison to say any particular smart phone company), according to MR's front page articles recently.

As with Dells, I'm pretty sure that's just a comparison, but nonetheless that $1200 is a lot of money; for the price difference I could buy a faster video card, HDD/SSD, etc.; that's substantial.
It was, as you can't get a 100% spec by spec comparison. Different parts in terms of HDD size, graphics cards, and PSU rating,... used in the base model. I got close though, as it had the same CPU and memory (type, capacity). I even added in a 1394 card.

But $1200 isn't minor. Maybe $200 - 300 given the parts parity (essentially a base system beyond CPU and memory), as there's not a drastic improvement in support or warranty to make more worthy. But certainly not more than 4x that.

And not many folks like paying a "premium"; if you say you do, it's pretty much asking to be ripped off. If you can have two of the same machines in every way, would pay more for one that says "Special Edition" and nothing more?
Marketing does just that. They create an aura of elitism around a product that aside from appearance, is essentially identical (if it isn't actually the same exact circuits) and charge more for it. Maybe an additional feature or two is added (system engineered line of offerings, that differ by small amounts in terms of parts and cost).

They've learned people will pay more for the same/similar pile of junk they sell otherwise. Got to love ODM suppliers. A few products (say 3; base, mid and high feature set), 50 different enclosures and brand names... :rolleyes:

I'm also intimately familiar with ///M. ;) As you probably know there are definitely competitors out there that offer 400+HP products (some at lower price points) but that doesn't change our enthusiast mind-set one bit... does it? Same for the lady (say, for example, my girlfriend :eek:) who swears a Louis Vuitton hand bag is better than the knock-off for 1/10th the price.
Not the best comparison with automobiles, as they've technical differences. It's not the same exact engine, transmission, brakes,... sold under a different name. There's different engineering and manufacturing involved (even if parts are sourced from the same suppliers. Take BMW and VW for example, ordering springs from Eibach - they're not going to have the same specifications for competing cars, as the suspension design isn't identical.

The hand bags either, as IIRC, Louis Vuitton is handmade with much higher quality materials (quantifiable), while the knock offs are machine made in China with sub-par materials.

In the instance of the computers, the main features and parts used are the same. Intel chips, and the boards are based off of Intel's reference design, so the features are essentially the same (differences like 1394 on the board, which would likely require a card in another vendor's system, and perhaps different chip vendors for NIC's and Audio). Other options as well, such as built-in RAID, additional SATA or SAS chips can differentiate boards, but the primary systems are the same.
 
My comment about castigation was more in reference to a somewhat derogatory tone that rears it's ugly head in this forum sometimes - implying that Mac Pro buyers are fools. Not everyone just wants the fastest GHz for the lowest $ :(
If you thought this was my intent, sorry for any wrong impression. :eek:

My point is, given the current situation (parity in hardware, multiple functional OS's, the high prices, and Apple's proprietary nature <the EFI32 support vacuum for earlier Intel based MP's>), it's getting much harder to justify a MP over another system, save a specific instance, such as locked to OS X applications (FCP,... for example).

It doesn't quite sort out the same as other products, though more expensive, really do deliver something quantifiable to the customer. Even good booze, as I'm a Scotch and Port fan on occasion. I can't necessarily explain it well, but there's differences between brands. Simply put, there's versions I can't stomach. But the price difference isn't $1200 either. :D :p
 
I think it's a generally accepted fact that Macs don't have the "on paper" performance or accessory options available to those in the PC world because we are limiting our choice of computer to only one manufacturer who has a monopoly on hardware that will run OS X. Isn't it fair to say that those of us who purchase Macs do so primarily for the OS X experience? The software most of us use is also available on Windows, so why do we keep coming back to Mac? If we love the OS and experience so much to buy more expensive hardware to run it, doesn't that alone legitimize this "Apple tax" to which people are referring? Nobody is forcing us to buy these things, yet Apple sales keep going through the roof.

I am thrilled that Apple is offering the 3.33 GHz option. They have legitimized the upgrade I already made on my own back in July. Some of us have been running on the 3.33 GHz processor for months now, and for less than what Apple charges. I am not thrilled with the fact that people can get faster hardware for less in the PC/Windows world, but I still believe that I get more work done with my Mac than any of my Windows co-workers. I have never had any down time with viruses, worms, adware, spyware, etc. While I am happily crunching away and getting work done, all of my Windows counterparts are dealing with optimizing their systems, scanning for spyware and viruses, etc. Last week my coworker was frozen for about 15 minutes while her Outlook was updating and syncing with the server. During this time, her computer was frozen and useless. On the other hand, I blasted through my emails and finished a flyer I was working on.

This may seem like a narrow view, but this is what I see and deal with on a daily basis. A Core i7 975 Extreme PC overclocked to 4.6 GHz w/ 5000 MHz RAM and GTX 500 (whatever) graphics card is wonderful until you have to stop everything that you're doing because you have a virus, your Outlook freezes your supercomputer, or corporate has mandated that all PCs run Norton which reduces your "world's fastest" PC to a crawl. There's a lot out there in the Windows world that will reduce what looks fantastic on paper to mediocre in reality. But this is just one person's view.

Instead of beating up Apple over their Mac Pro options, I'd be much more interested to know why Adobe Soundbooth runs like a dog on my 3.33 GHz Mac Pro. If this is 2009, why does scrolling across a waveform feel like I'm back in 1995? Our computers today are fast enough for practically anything we want to throw at them, it would be nice if Adobe and others like it could write their software properly. I rely on Adobe and Microsoft software products on a daily basis, unfortunately those same software products make my otherwise super fast computer feel "average".
 
Dell may have the "On Paper" stats but....

Mac = Snow Leopard

Dell= Windows 7

which is worth more to you?
 
Isn't it fair to say that those of us who purchase Macs do so primarily for the OS X experience?

Windows 7 changes this. It really does.

Nobody is forcing us to buy these things, yet Apple sales keep going through the roof.

In iPods, iPhones and laptops.

Apple won't say, but I feel there is NO way that Mac Pro sales are through the roof.

I have never had any down time with viruses, worms, adware, spyware, etc. While I am happily crunching away and getting work done, all of my Windows counterparts are dealing with optimizing their systems, scanning for spyware and viruses, etc.

Me either? And I don't run anti spy virus ware. I don't go to Russian porn sites and click on every little pop up either. I've used PCs since the 286 DOS days (yes, I used WordPerfect 5.1 in college). I've had 1 virus which I asked for by running something I should not have been running. I've also had 1 mac virus (Michelangelo). I don't buy the PC users can't do work because they are so bogged down in viruses. Not in my world anyhow.

I think PC will always suffer more rep issues since there are more of them, and there are more cheap bottom price PCs that are maybe being asked to do things that they are not designed for.

I don't think we are talking about $399 Dell computers with dual pentium and integrated graphics here.

it would be nice if Adobe and others like it could write their software properly.

Adobe and Apple are in a cold war, and have been for several years.

Ever since Apple switched to OS X, Adobe has been mailing it in. They were not even ready for OS X by like a year and half or something.
 
The conversation doesn't need to happen, anyone who buys a professional workstation without looking into its actual value deserves to be raped by Apple corporate.

And yet here we all sit having purchased these horrible, poor value machines, including those of us who claim Windows 7 is as good or better than OS X. How do we reconcile this incredible irony?

I just priced out a Mac Pro Quad 3.33 GHz thru the Apple store with stock components. The price came to $3,699. An equivalent Dell Precision T3500 costs $3,075. Add another $80 for the virus and anti-spy software that you'll need on the Dell and that brings you to $3,155. The Mac Pro costs $544 more. A similarly configured HP Z400 workstation will set you back over $3,400. The so-called "Apple Tax" is less than $300 here. I just don't see what the big deal is. Apple is priced higher than its competitors, but the small premium it is charging can be justified with the better OS and higher overall build quality. I still prefer OS X to Windows Anything Ultimate. If you want to run your Mac Pro as a server, SL Server (unlimited license) will cost only $499 whereas the equivalent Windows Server will set you back $1,000-$6,000 depending on package.
 
And yet here we all sit having purchased these horrible, poor value machines, including those of us who claim Windows 7 is as good or better than OS X. How do we reconcile this incredible irony?

I just priced out a Mac Pro Quad 3.33 GHz thru the Apple store with stock components. The price came to $3,699. An equivalent Dell Precision T3500 costs $3,075. Add another $80 for the virus and anti-spy software that you'll need on the Dell and that brings you to $3,155. The Mac Pro costs $544 more. A similarly configured HP Z400 workstation will set you back over $3,400. The so-called "Apple Tax" is less than $300 here. I just don't see what the big deal is. Apple is priced higher than its competitors, but the small premium it is charging can be justified with the better OS and higher overall build quality. I still prefer OS X to Windows Anything Ultimate. If you want to run your Mac Pro as a server, SL Server (unlimited license) will cost only $499 whereas the equivalent Windows Server will set you back $1,000-$6,000 depending on package.

It's funny how the PC fans seem to spec out similar builds that show the MP being on the overpriced side, but the Mac fans get opposite results. Are we all using the same websites?

I'm sorry but that just isn't true. Mac Pros are substantially more expensive than Dells or HP workstations with exactly the same hardware inside. Check the prices out for yourself. The 2006 and 2008 Mac Pros were a little cheaper than the competition but for the 2009 Mac Pro line Apple jacked up their profit margins by about $1000 across the MP line.

Also, Mac Pros do *not* ship with wireless or bluetooth as standard.

Apple Mac Pro 3.33GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon (Nehalem) with 3GB RAM, 640GB HDD, GeForce GT 120 - $3699.
Dell Precision T3500 3.33GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon (Nehalem) with 3GB RAM, 500GB HDD, Quadro NVS 295 - $2494

Apple Mac Pro 2.66GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon (Nehalem) with 3GB RAM, 640GB HDD, GeForce GT 120 - $2499
Dell Precision T3500 2.66GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon (Nehalem) with 3GB RAM, 500GB HDD, Quadro NVS 295 - $1264

Apple Mac Pro 2.26GHz Octo-Core Intel Xeon (Nehalem) with 6GB RAM, 640GB HDD, GeForce GT 120 - $3299
Dell Precision T5500 2.26GHz Octo-Core Intel Xeon (Nehalem) with 6GB RAM, 500GB HDD, Quadro NVS 295 - $2666

Any PC user who knows a thing or 2 will not buy AV software when you can get a great program for free that works well and is not a resource hog.

http://free.avg.com/us-en/homepage
 
It's funny how the PC fans seem to spec out similar builds that show the MP being on the overpriced side, but the Mac fans get opposite results. Are we all using the same websites?

I googled "Dell Precision t3500" and used that page and got nowhere to what he was talking about? :confused:

http://configure.us.dell.com/dellst...en&s=bsd&cs=04&kc=workstation-precision-t3500

I'm no fan of Dell or HP, so I build my own. I appreciate that I can do that. I also run my $200 2.66GHz CPU at 3.6GHz and am well within thermal thresholds and the machine is as quiet as any other desktop I know of not called Mac Mini.
 
That was a quite interesting read this thread.
And I wish I could even think about getting a PC/Mac at ~$2500.

Just one thing I like to mention, the Virus/Spyware stuff under Windows.
I'm using Windows since Win3.11 and never had a problem with that.
I really don't know what do some people do to get in trouble with those stuff. :confused:

And also Virus/Spyware Protection is free, even from Microsoft. "Microsoft Security Essentials" seems to be pretty good.
 
Prices, value and beauty

I found the earlier post on Steve Jobs wanting to be remembered for beautiful products interesting. I think that it is probably right and that the Mac Pro doesn't fit into this scheme of things for Apple very well. It is hard to make an expandable workstation that is slim and beautiful in the way that all-in-ones and iphones etc can be designed. Apple continues the Mac Pro because they want to have a top end workstation but they don't give it much love and they will increasingly charge excessive amounts to make up for the small number sold.

Price-wise, even new the Pro is more expensive than Dell (certainly for the quad) and when it comes to refurbished, if you're patient the Dell workstations can be had for less than the price of the cpus. (I just got a T5500 with dual 2.93GHz X5570s and 24GB of 1333MHz RAM and Quadro FX580 for less than £2k, and it comes with 3 years on-site warranty. Even with student discount the Apple option was something over £5k and had slower RAM and a non-quadro card.) This all comes down to numbers sold. Poor students like myself can take advantage of firms cancelling Dell orders or where ever these units come from. The fact that the Pros hold there prices mean that it is very hard to buy one cheap.

ps
The view that Dells are a "pile of junk" is presumably based on their consumer machines - the Dell workstations, though steel, are nicely put together, quiet and the cooling is good. The Cinebench scores vary but for my machine goes above 30,000 which is rather faster than the results published for the Mac on this site.

I wanted to buy a Mac Pro and would have paid a reasonable premium but the present premium is way above reasonable in my view.
 
the Dell workstations, though steel, are nicely put together, quiet and the cooling is good. The Cinebench scores vary but for my machine goes above 30,000 which is rather faster than the results published for the Mac on this site.

Could you give us some details on the memory config of your machine? I assume that you are running 1333MHz memory and most likely you have six or twelve DIMM slots filled. The Mac Pro cannot utilize the higher memory frequency or capacity because the EFI castrates the memory to 1066 MHz and the Apple design provides only eight DIMM slots vs your twelve.
 
Could you give us some details on the memory config of your machine? I assume that you are running 1333MHz memory and most likely you have six or twelve DIMM slots filled. The Mac Pro cannot utilize the higher memory frequency or capacity because the EFI castrates the memory to 1066 MHz and the Apple design provides only eight DIMM slots vs your twelve.

The memory is 6 x 4GB registered ECC RAM. The T5500 has 9 slots (6 on the motherboard and 3 on the second processor daughter board). As there is only one DIMM per channel it runs at the full 1333MHz. The BIOS also lets you set SMP or NUMA for the memory and it seems to work better (under Windows 7 at least) with NUMA but the difference is small.

It does seem daft that Apple won't allow 1333MHz memory with the X5550 and X5570 chips given that their built in controllers are quite happy.

The T7500 has 12 memory slots, I was going to go for one of those (or a Mac Pro if they'd been a bit cheaper) but this T5500 appeared on ITClear, and though I'd read some less than good customer reports about them (ITClear) it was such a bargain I decided to risk it. It arrived in a day, was brand new (operating system not yet loaded) and the on-site had two years 11 months and a few days to run so I've been pretty happy so far.
 
Sounds like you hit an amazing bargain and got 20% memory bandwidth over the fastest Mac Pro which explains the Cinebench results. You also got registered ECC which is better for the higher densities. Apple fit only UDIMMs which you have to bin or sell when you want to go for higher density RAM.

Well done!

Is the system easy to hackintosh?
 
I just priced out a T3500 single socket 3.33 (3GB ram, default video card) and it was $2459 ?

When I dropped the 3.33 to a 2.66 the price was $1229.

http://configure.us.dell.com/dellst...en&s=bsd&cs=04&kc=workstation-precision-t3500

The Xeon 3.33 is an expensive chip, there is no debating or getting around that. The bleeding edge is rarely the smart buy in any circumstance.

What are the options you have configured at that price? The most comparable T3500 configuration to 2009 Mac Pro Quad 3.33 GHz is as follows:

  • Quad Core Intel Xeon W3580 3.33 GHz
  • Mini-Tower Chassis Configuration w/ 1394 Card
  • 3GB, 1066MHz, DDR3 SDRAM, NECC (3 DIMMS)
  • 512MB NVIDIA® Quadro® NVS 420, Quad Monitor, 4DP
  • 500GB SATA 3.0Gb/s with NCQ and 16MB DataBurst Cache
  • 16X DVD+/-RW w/ Cyberlink PowerDVD™ and Roxio Creator™ Dell Ed
  • Broadcom NetXtreme 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet controller-PCI Express card

Total cost: $3,075. I don't know where you are getting $2,459 but you have to add additional items to bring the stock T3500 closer to the Mac Pro. You need the chassis w/ 1394 card to match the Mac Pro's firewire ports, 512 MB graphics card to match Mac Pro's stock 512 MB card, upgrade the hard drive to 500 GB to come close to Mac Pro's 640 GB stock hard drive, add the 16x DVD+/-RW to come close to Mac Pro's 18x Superdrive, and add a Broadcom ethernet controller to get the second ethernet port available on Mac Pro. You can save some bucks by going with a lower graphics card, but I don't know if Dell's stock 256 MB card is comparable to Mac Pro's 512 MB card. That's the only obvious variable in the above configuration list. It was a $390 upgrade. Adding the Radeon 4870 to Mac Pro will bring Mac Pro to $3,899, or a difference of $824. Advantage Dell.

In the above comparison the "Apple Tax" comes to approximately 27%. Is the Mac Pro's quality, design, and ability to run OS X worth the difference? Only you can decide.
 
Sounds like you hit an amazing bargain and got 20% memory bandwidth over the fastest Mac Pro which explains the Cinebench results. You also got registered ECC which is better for the higher densities. Apple fit only UDIMMs which you have to bin or sell when you want to go for higher density RAM.

Well done!

Is the system easy to hackintosh?

It was suspiciously cheap, but it seems to run fine so I think I just got lucky (perhaps the Dell chap pricing it in the first place thought it was single processor and not dual). I have seen other, similarly priced systems on the ITClear site but they go (are sold) very fast. It was over 60% off the Dell list price (£1960 instead of £5,380) whilst Dell Outlet itself have a reduction of 40% (so it would have been about £3,200 on Dell Outlet).

I don't know if it Hackintoshes or not. I run Suse Linux 11.2 and Windows 7. I'm a Computer Science student so need Unix but not necessarily OS X. I
don't need to run any Apple specific software. (I just rather like OS X and the general design of Mac Pros which is why I wanted to get one - I was just priced out of the market.) I'm a mature student, with a family, so don't really have the time to experiment very much.
 
T3500 configuration to 2009 Mac Pro Quad 3.33 GHz is as follows:

  • 512MB NVIDIA® Quadro® NVS 420, Quad Monitor, 4DP
This isn't a fair comparison to the GT120 though. Not even close, as it has dual GPU's, and can run 4x 30" monitors at full resolution (professional card, where the GT120 is a consumer model). Memory capacity isn't a fair reason for selecting that card.

3rd party sources sell the Quadro NVS 420 for $434USD (best price I found), while Dell's price is an extra $539 vs. $149 for the GT120.

Absolute parity is impossible. HDD offerings, graphics cards, PSU rating, warranty,... likely won't give an exact match. In this case, even the NIC count is 1x NIC port, not 2x (I agree with adding in the NIC card and the 1394 card for comparison sake). But it's close enough that a user can run the numbers (even for 3rd party add-ons if desired/not offered) to meet their specific needs. Make a comparison, and choose what best fits.

With Win7 actually being as functional as it is (much less prone to BSODs than previous versions), OS X has lost the major advantage it had (when Windows would cause lost time, aggravation,...). When combined with the price hike in the '09 systems (not so in the earlier Intel models), it's getting a little harder to justify an MP if there isn't an absolute need for OS X. (A hack might be a consideration to some users, but I'm not presuming that).
 
You can save some bucks by going with a lower graphics card, but I don't know if Dell's stock 256 MB card is comparable to Mac Pro's 512 MB card.


There is no real difference between them. Besides you can upgrade to the 512mb Quadro FX 580 for $80. The card you used is a specialist card that's only purpose is to drive 4 displays from one PCI-E slot.
 
With Win7 actually being as functional as it is (much less prone to BSODs than previous versions), OS X has lost the major advantage it had (when Windows would cause lost time, aggravation,...).

I'm not sure why most people are drawn to OSX, but I wouldn't cite BSOD as one of them... they are rare even on XP. My XP SP3 laptop at work gets restarted about once per quarter and I never see a BSOD. My previous Vista computer would also run for months at a time and never see a BSOD.

For consumers, I suspect the reason people switch (at least this is why I switched) is the overall experience that comes from the Mac ecosystem and not a particular shortcoming or missing feature in Windows. Things like iTunes (which runs much better on a Mac) and the iLife suite, the great hardware, plus the ability to sync multiple devices/macs with MobileMe are all competitive differentiators in Apple's favor.

And by great hardware, I mean Apple introduces some great stuff that competitors are just catching up with a couple of years later like LED screens, the multi-touch trackpad, and the ultra-thin MacBook Air. You may be surprised, but when a buddy of mine purchased a MacBook, the first thing he bragged about was the mag-safe power connector!

Another draw to Mac for many is that illuminated apple logo that shows you are part of the "in" crowd while surfing at Starbucks.

For pros, I suspect the key reason people switch to the Mac is to access the pro-tools that aren't available on Windows.

So while Win7 is a strong showing from Microsoft, I strongly disagree that it diminishes the value that OSX has to these groups.
 
I'm not sure why most people are drawn to OSX, but I wouldn't cite BSOD as one of them... they are rare even on XP. My XP SP3 laptop at work gets restarted about once per quarter and I never see a BSOD. My previous Vista computer would also run for months at a time and never see a BSOD.
I was just using it as an example, and by no means the only reason. For a number of years, the overall experience with OS X has been more pleasant than that of Windows, even after you find all the software desired (fills in missing features that didn't come with the OS,...). Finding drivers is a big one IMO, as I'd have to go to the device makers to get the necessary drivers. Not horrible, but a little time consuming and monotenous with each go-around.

Win7 actually does a decent job with it compared to previous versions IMO, but it's not perfect either, as not all device makers are willing to work with MS over this, or it's too specific and not a good idea (such as RAID card drivers).

For consumers, I suspect the reason people switch (at least this is why I switched) is the overall experience that comes from the Mac ecosystem and not a particular shortcoming or missing feature in Windows. Things like iTunes (which runs much better on a Mac) and the iLife suite, the great hardware, plus the ability to sync multiple devices/macs with MobileMe are all competitive differentiators in Apple's favor.
There's more to it, for sure.

Different development world, as Apple can set their own rules much easier, due to the closed system methodology. MS can't, and have screwed it up for years. But MS has finally realized they needed to work with other vendors. The end result is much better this time.

I'm not super familiar with all the features/ease of use by experience, as I don't have much to deal with. Just a phone (but it's able to play MP3's ;)), no iPod,... I've even dumped laptops as I don't travel enough to need one now.

And by great hardware, I mean Apple introduces some great stuff that competitors are just catching up with a couple of years later like LED screens, the multi-touch trackpad, and the ultra-thin MacBook Air. You may be surprised, but when a buddy of mine purchased a MacBook, the first thing he bragged about was the mag-safe power connector!
It goes both ways though. Sometimes it was a good idea, others, not so much. The ADC comes to mind, as does SCSI (which I liked, being in the technical side).

But despite their early interest and adoption of LED displays recently, Apple won't deal with some technologies that PC's have, and users want. HDMI and BluRay come to mind. ;)

Another draw to Mac for many is that illuminated apple logo that shows you are part of the "in" crowd while surfing at Starbucks.
This is one I don't have a need for, but for those who do, that's fine. I'm not a big fan of lights,..., as it can annoy me (i.e. bright LED's in lower light situations). I'm also always concerned that something like that can intrude on others in public (for example, long flights, especially during night hours).

For pros, I suspect the key reason people switch to the Mac is to access the pro-tools that aren't available on Windows.
This makes the most sense to me, as that's one of the primary reasons I ended up going the way I did.

I tried to use OS X and virtualization (as not everything I needed had an OS X version, or one I could do what I needed to with it). So I went the Virtualization route, and ran into some problems getting data passed from hardware devices (test instruments feeding data via USB under OS X) to the Windows side (INT13 issues).

I could make it work via Windows only, but when I figured in the cost of a the external RAID enclosures and cables, it got too ugly to justify. So I sent it back ('08 base model), and had to start over. I ended up waiting for Nehalem and building due to specific needs, as I can put the time in if needed.

So while Win7 is a strong showing from Microsoft (although it's consistency from app to app is horrid even within Microsoft's own apps), I strongly disagree that it diminishes the value that OSX has to these groups.
This is to be expected, as MS can't develop their OS and apps to ship simultaneously. So there's always older versions and the use of legacy code (bloat) to maintain backwards compatibility.

Apple doesn't have to deal with this in the same manner as MS does, and can release iLife at the same time in order to keep a unified appearance with the OS. Rather nice, indeed. But they're a little too aggressive with it in the MP line in terms of support, given it's enterprise hardware. 3 - 4 years is fine for consumer models, but not Xeon based systems.

It's in the details, and it's hard to do a real comparison of their flaws (pro - con), to quantify much in the way of a better overall company, due to the fundamental differences in their methodologies (MS = software only, while Apple makes hardware too).
 
I knew I should not have gone down that slippery road... lol
This mythical $1200 i7 920 @ 3.6 computer that I keep refering to uses premium parts (Antec, Asus, Intel, Corsair, Western Digital, ATi) and I'd put it up against anyone else's Apple quad.

You've got to be kidding. Asus, Antec.......premium? IMO Asus/Antec are nothing but cheap and nasty taiwaneese junk. Asus in particular. People are easily taken in by products with a million wizbang features bolded in bright colours on the package. Asus use poor quality, low end and poor performing components. J-Micron, Via, Agere, Ite etc

You cannot compare any of these taiwaneese pc boards to a Mac Pro. The Mac Pro uses server/workstation class dual Intel Gigabit ethernet, Texas Instruments Firewire chips, these are not low end components. just open your eyes an look at the logic board in a Mac Pro. This thing is engineers to a hi spec and meticulously designed. You don't see a million power supply cables dangling around in the Mac Pro, why? because Apple design's a board with power traces running to the SATA ports as an example. You don't even see design like this on a Tyan board.

Antec don't manufacture premium PSU's. PC Power & Cooling is about the only PSU manufacturer in PC land which i'd consider premium.

Windows 7? LOL it's just another Windows XP with some deep red lipstick and some heavy makeup to cover up what's been piled up over the years. I't would be akin to Apple slapping the iTunes 9.x skin on Mac OS 6 and calling it a kikass OS.
 
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